AR- 15 vs. AK-47

[mountainredneck2051]

probably true sledge, and i'm sure arsenal has been trying for years to reduce recoil and get "the accuracy of an ar15"

[thatGuy]

Time to pitch in an pull your weight gang.. who has a helo that I can throw 505th's Draco out of?  [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m

[southern patriot]

Time to pitch in an pull your weight gang.. who has a helo that I can throw 505th's Draco out of? 

Will 505th still be holding it?

[Kentactic]

probably true sledge, and i'm sure arsenal has been trying for years to reduce recoil and get "the accuracy of an ar15"

lol exactly... and it seems one is a LOT closer to there goal then the other...

[sledge]

probably true sledge, and i'm sure arsenal has been trying for years to reduce recoil and get "the accuracy of an ar15"

lol exactly... and it seems one is a LOT closer to there goal then the other...

Ha! Ha! Ha!  You guys kill me.      Be happy.  An Ak is plenty accurate for as far as I'm ever going to need it to reach.  And I like the "you can run but there's not much you can hide behind" quality it offers.

There needs to be a topic on here covering what distances people think they'll be in a confrontation at if WROL occurs.  Some seem to think they need to be able to engage at 500 to 800 or more yards.  Could be I guess.  Although, I'm pretty skeptical about that.   

[mountainredneck2051]

probably true sledge, and i'm sure arsenal has been trying for years to reduce recoil and get "the accuracy of an ar15"

lol exactly... and it seems one is a LOT closer to there goal then the other...

 And I like the "you can run but there's not much you can hide behind" quality it offers.

i really don't think the ak has as much penetration as you guys think it does, i know for a fact it wouldn't even pierce my house

[sledge]

What's your house made out of Mountain?  A 7.62x39 FMJ will go through two side by side 4x4's.  That's one round.  But depending on what a house is made out of it might be easier to put a few phosphorus rounds through the windows.

[mountainredneck2051]

What's your house made out of Mountain?  A 7.62x39 FMJ will go through two side by side 4x4's.  That's one round.  But depending on what a house is made out of it might be easier to put a few phosphorus rounds through the windows.

it's a cabin, logs is at least 12" thick

windows are another story, although they are pretty good too

[CrookedSights]

Rednecks right People tend to over rate the AK and under rate the AR on penetration, shit I had a 7.62 round stop dead about half way through a 4x4 post, a fluke but I still know a 7.62 would have no problem ripping through my house... 5.56 not so much.

[sledge]

 [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co  I'd say you're good to go unless someone brings a 50 cal or bigger in.

I live in a double wide mobile home so i haven't much hope.  But then again someone would have to be insane to try a stacked entry.

[505th.NM.Militia]

What's your house made out of Mountain?  A 7.62x39 FMJ will go through two side by side 4x4's.  That's one round.  But depending on what a house is made out of it might be easier to put a few phosphorus rounds through the windows.

it's a cabin, logs is at least 12" thick

windows are another story, although they are pretty good too

ya don't say....

[mountainredneck2051]

? am i missing something here.......

[RONSERESURPLUS]

Hello all, RON L here, OK< see all the argumets this side and that, so the Correct anwser is??

What works for you? I'm one of those perople that never could decide what one was Best, as like tools in a Tool Box, BOTH have thier uses and thier Benifits and down sides? Thats why I see it as OWN BOTH!!!! I have  Maddi AKM Clone, as well as a Franken AR with an Olympic Upper (Super Match) and Rock River Lower and less than 100 rnd s thought AR and 10K or so though the AK, BOTH work for me! Wife Prefers the AR, I like the mags availability ammo cost and parts swopage, the AK, I've seen few that needed parts (EVER) and ammo is still easy to find ow, Plus I have dies and Brass and bullets are available, so even if they cut off imports I'm still OK? Ya just gotta see what ya like better and run wit it? For your own Needs, For your own $, Avalibility ups and downs?  If your fortunate to own Both, Good for you, you get to enjoy both sides of that they do best, RIGHT?

[1000meterstare]

One word:  penetration.  You ladies like superior penetration, right?  AK wins. [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m

[thatGuy]

I've asked you else where to include proof and I ask you here to do so again.

[UnBroken]

One word:  penetration.  You ladies like superior penetration, right?  AK wins.

sorry bro. if you load steel core ammo out of an AR you get just as good Penetration as an AK but having the Range.

[1000meterstare]

Prove it to yourself with this excercise.  Clamp (2) 4 x 4's together, stand at 30 yards, and fire.  The 7.62 x 39 fmj will penetrate that barrier, the 5.56 will not.  Try any barrel length or bullet style you like out of that AR.  You will not make it...

Horsepower.  Foot-lbs of energy.  AK wins. 

[505th.NM.Militia]

I've asked you else where to include proof and I ask you here to do so again.

Honestly it's common sense.  Bigger bullet, higher muzzle velocity, deeper penetration.  I'm not going to say definitively that the AK round would penetrate deeper than the AR, but I bet you it makes it into the AR vs. AK video! 

[sauerofkraut]

why I went with an ak-47.

Economics:  I have an wasr-10/63 that I picked up for $450 and a sgl for $750.  the sgl is in the range of some ARs but you get more quality of gun for the price with an AK.  The 7.62 is cheaper to stockpile in number so I have 5,000 rounds of it.  I do worry about the supply from Russia being cut due to political reasons but I have reasons why that should not be a problem: 7.62x39 is currently being made in in the USA, it is more expensive then the Russian but it is there (thats why I did not go with the 5.4x39).  I buy my ammo in bulk and for every 1 round shot in training I buy 3 more rounds to keep up my stock.  I have no reason to believe that the current USA government or local police will hand out 5.56 in a crisis(I do not want to depend on them for my ammo anyway).  For Quality 5.556x45 I would just trade up to a .308 for the extra distance and power.

Durability:  I want a weapon that doesn't need to have a lot of care to keep it going.  I do not want to put away more cleaning supplies to clean my weapon then I have to.  I have other things I need to stock up on.  The steel Magazines are $8 a piece and they are very strong.  If I had to dig something up out of the ground the mag would stand up to it.  They are heavier then AR mags though.

Caliber:  the 7.62x39 is not known for its accuracy but it is accurate enough to get the job done.  When I used to hunt deer I dropped 2 at 330meters and 280 meters with an sks.  It is harder to hit past 300meters with this caliber but thats why you train with it.  I always think that in a shtf crisis that the Mutant Zombie Bikers will get around in vehicles (I live on the Flat Kansas praire).  I want to get them while they are in there vehicle and not worry about not penetrating that vehicle

[RONSERESURPLUS]

As the Old Saying Goes "Differeht Strokes for different Folks"??


No one will ever always agree? Pick wat works for you, for sound reason and perfect that use? Lie the 9MM vs 45ACP, thier will never be a Full agreement on what to use? Like man, I PICK??? BOTH!! Lke AR and AK Gives me ammo versitility as well as cost savings and still common in Law Enforcement and folks Private stocks?

RON L

[mountainredneck2051]

As the Old Saying Goes "Differeht Strokes for different Folks"??


No one will ever always agree? Pick wat works for you, for sound reason and perfect that use? Lie the 9MM vs 45ACP, thier will never be a Full agreement on what to use? Like man, I PICK??? BOTH!! Lke AR and AK Gives me ammo versitility as well as cost savings and still common in Law Enforcement and folks Private stocks?

RON L

difference is we all know the 45acp beats the 9mm every day of the week  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

[UnBroken]

As the Old Saying Goes "Differeht Strokes for different Folks"??


No one will ever always agree? Pick wat works for you, for sound reason and perfect that use? Lie the 9MM vs 45ACP, thier will never be a Full agreement on what to use? Like man, I PICK??? BOTH!! Lke AR and AK Gives me ammo versitility as well as cost savings and still common in Law Enforcement and folks Private stocks?

RON L

 yes but if your accurate with a 9mm and alright with a 9mm. id tell the guy to get a 9mm. if you know your dope then you wil walk away

difference is we all know the 45acp beats the 9mm every day of the week 

[Dave_M]

Prove it to yourself with this excercise.  Clamp (2) 4 x 4's together, stand at 30 yards, and fire.  The 7.62 x 39 fmj will penetrate that barrier, the 5.56 will not.  Try any barrel length or bullet style you like out of that AR.  You will not make it...

Do the same with a piece of 3/8" thick mild steel. One of my friends kept touting how much better x39 was until we did that little exercise. If a piece of steel is safe from M855 no 7.62x39 currently available will even come close.

It is also noteworthy that penetration is a double-edged sword.

[militaryman84]

I know I will hate myself in the morning for posting in here lol. I don't see why we don't all just shoot what works for us and move on to a new topic. Learn the manual of arms for your particular choice and leave it at that. They are both good platforms and both have drawbacks as well. I have nothing but respect for ak's as I have had many of them shot at me in anger. I however run Ar's because I have 24 years of trigger time on them and Uncle Sam spent more money than I will ever make teaching me what to do with them.  For me it makes sense, for you maybe not. Drive on gentlemen.

[southern patriot]

Sounds like sound advice to me!