AR- 15 vs. AK-47

[thatGuy]

Dude it has nothing to do with my gunsmithery. Adding a longer break would only increase gas pressure thusly increacing the force on the piston.  [img]http://www.smileydesign.n

I would like to bring another issue into the  fray, Weight!

According to Wikipedia the weight of these rifles with a loaded mag is,

M16, 7.9lbs AK47, 11.5lbs. That is a 3.6lbs difference. Keep in mind that these are Vietnam era firearms and the AK47s now use stamped sheetmetal for the receiver which reduce the weight consideralby while the M16 series increase barrel thickness and the size of some parts thusly increasing the weight of that rifle.

But at the time that difference in weight allowed an American GI to carry almost 4 loaded mags in addition to the one in his rifle for the for the same poundage of an AK with one mag. That is huge guys.

Now if we look at modern weights we will see that they are meeting in the middle these days.

M4 w/loaded mag, 7.3lbs AK103 w/loaded mag, 9.3lbs... oh wait the M4 weighs less than the AK still by 2lbs which is 2 loaded 30 round mags in addition to the rifle w/mag.

Another area where the AK gets its fat ass kicked (biased opinion) is the weight of the loaded mags.

An AR aluminium mag with 30 rounds (who loads 30 anyhow?) in it weighs .99lbs. always has always will.

The AK47's steel mag is currently being made out of thinner sheet metal than it was originally so its weight is down from 2lbs to a slimmer 1.8lbs.

Which means that the combat loadout of 6 mags weighs (pretty standard right?)

AR, 5.94lbs
AK, 10.8lbs

Thats 4.86lbs difference or 4.909 AR mags heaver so if I wanted to play the macho man game and carry the same weight as 505th.NM.Militia then I would be packing 13 mags to his 6.... who was saying something about which platform has more firepower??

It should be apparant by now that I am biased but when you talk about the key issues like weight, domestic production of parts and ammo, ergonomics and then you throw in the increased accuracy at distance I say its a no brainer.

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[EJR914]

Daniel Defense M4 FOR THE WIN!   [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

I've shot GAPatriot's AK before, its a kit and I like it a lot.  One problem that I have with it, is its inaccuracy.  I love the recoil that it has and the feel of the gun.  I found it easy to shoot with me just first picking it up, I've always had a natural inclination to firearms though.  I did notice more weight, as my M4 has nothing special on it, just iron sites and no rail.  Of course, GAP's Kit is just a plain jane AK as well.

I did find that it took me just an extra part of a second to get the sights back on target and fire another shot compared to the lower recoil of my M4 at 100 yards.  Not a big deal, though.  I also don't like the sights on the AK at all, I like mine a lot better.

Also, I didn't find the mag changes that hard, but changing them out on the M4 is easier, and of course, it would be easier to teach someone else how to do the mag changes as well.  I like that all I have to do with M4 is drop mag, put a new one in, and tap the left side and I'm back into the fight. 

Funny thing is, that I've never had one single problem with my M4, no malfunction, no FTF or FTE in hundreds if not thousands of rounds.  When we were out on the range, GAP's AK blew up, literally.  One of his welds didn't hold, and KABOOM!  I joked about the M4 still running flawlessly, and the AK being down for the count.  Of course, this was manufacturing error on his part, because it was a kit build. 

I think they both have advantages and disadvantages, but I'm going to be running an AK when SHTF if GAP and I are able to hook up at the BOL.  I'll always keep my M4, though.  I just love it for quite a few reasons. 

If you're looking for a good M4, check out Daniel Defense.  They do amazing quality work, and they also have the best customer support out of any firearm company that I've heard of.  I called up there once, and spoke directly with the owner, he picked up and phone, and we had a great little chat.  Answered all my questions and then some.

I also here they are gaining an incredibly huge name for quality in the market.  Everyone I know who owns one, probably 10 or 15 people, have never had a single problem with one.  If they did have a problem their customer service took care of the problem immediately and they just kept right on going.  They will stand behind their product and make any problem right, literally.


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[NOLA556]

they call AR "Barbie for men"... ok I can accept that.

consider this, though: many of those accessories have a functional purpose. one of my favorite mods I have on my gun is the Magpul BAD lever. bolt locked back on an empty mag, I'll bet any of you AK guys that in a side by side speed-reload comparison, my AR is back into the fight in a fraction of the time as your AK. not tryin to be a dickhead here, but all the AK KoolAid is starting to get to me.

now all that being said, I wish this debate wasn't just between AR and AK... I wouldn't mind Reaver throwing his FAL into the fray. I'm not familiar with those at all and I'd like to hear how it stacks up against the other two options.

[UnBroken]

they call AR "Barbie for men"... ok I can accept that.

consider this, though: many of those accessories have a functional purpose. one of my favorite mods I have on my gun is the Magpul BAD lever. bolt locked back on an empty mag, I'll bet any of you AK guys that in a side by side speed-reload comparison, my AR is back into the fight in a fraction of the time as your AK. not tryin to be a dickhead here, but all the AK KoolAid is starting to get to me.

now all that being said, I wish this debate wasn't just between AR and AK... I wouldn't mind Reaver throwing his FAL into the fray. I'm not familiar with those at all and I'd like to hear how it stacks up against the other two options.

the BAD lever is a must for any AR owner IMHO

[NOLA556]

a little something I whipped up for you guys just for the sake of being an inflammatory little bastard:

http://www.youtube.com/user/NOLA556?feature=mhee

[UnBroken]

a little something I whipped up for you guys just for the sake of being an inflammatory little bastard:

http://www.youtube.com/user/NOLA556?feature=mhee

nice music...  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

this is why i love my BAD lever

[Kentactic]

It would chamber a new round but wouldn't cock the hammer. I don't know exactly what was causing it but I know it went away when we put some oil in the gun.

ive seen this happen and heard of it happening alot... it seems to be the most common AK issue...it has to do with the trigger group or something like that. when my bros did it he had it sent it so it was unclear what they fixxed but the hammer trigger area was the issue. if its chambering a round then its also going far enough back to cock the hammer... which leaves only the hammer triger area itself to be the issue.... try testing the resetting of the trigger by manually racking it... i bet it still does it even with a full stroke of the bolt.

[thatGuy]

After a full stroke of the bolt it would fire ken and now that we keep the gun well lubed it hasn't had an issue.

[GoddamnUncleSam]

they are both good weapons i don't own an ak i would like to, but the main reason i have an ar is the area that im in and the people around me and in my group all have ar's. that being said if anything were to happen we would have no problem sharing mags and also like another person most police departments use the 5.56 and its our military standard, and with it being so widely used it could also be traded and traded for

[1000meterstare]

Oh my!  My Ak (the only mods are a sling, flash hider, and a little 550' cord around the stock) is actually lighter than a fully loaded heavy barrel AR with the flashlight, laser, optics, etc.  My AK will also drill through small to medium trees with little bullet deflection.  I'll just shoot through a tree that dumbass is using as cover!  AK  wins.  At least where I live.

[NOLA556]

they are both good weapons i don't own an ak i would like to, but the main reason i have an ar is the area that im in and the people around me and in my group all have ar's. that being said if anything were to happen we would have no problem sharing mags and also like another person most police departments use the 5.56 and its our military standard, and with it being so widely used it could also be traded and traded for

NO! you're a dumbass! AK wins.... [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m

[GoddamnUncleSam]

they are both good weapons i don't own an ak i would like to, but the main reason i have an ar is the area that im in and the people around me and in my group all have ar's. that being said if anything were to happen we would have no problem sharing mags and also like another person most police departments use the 5.56 and its our military standard, and with it being so widely used it could also be traded and traded for

NO! you're a dumbass! AK wins....

look who is the dumbass, read what i typed i didnt say anything bad about the ak wiseguy i just said for my area it was my choice not that one is better than the other.  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

[NOLA556]

they are both good weapons i don't own an ak i would like to, but the main reason i have an ar is the area that im in and the people around me and in my group all have ar's. that being said if anything were to happen we would have no problem sharing mags and also like another person most police departments use the 5.56 and its our military standard, and with it being so widely used it could also be traded and traded for

NO! you're a dumbass! AK wins....

look who is the dumbass, read what i typed i didnt say anything bad about the ak wiseguy i just said for my area it was my choice not that one is better than the other.  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

lol... just a joke man.. I'm an AR guy.  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

[GoddamnUncleSam]

they are both good weapons i don't own an ak i would like to, but the main reason i have an ar is the area that im in and the people around me and in my group all have ar's. that being said if anything were to happen we would have no problem sharing mags and also like another person most police departments use the 5.56 and its our military standard, and with it being so widely used it could also be traded and traded for

NO! you're a dumbass! AK wins....

look who is the dumbass, read what i typed i didnt say anything bad about the ak wiseguy i just said for my area it was my choice not that one is better than the other.  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

lol... just a joke man.. I'm an AR guy. 

my bad man still getting to know people.

[thatGuy]

Oh my!  My Ak (the only mods are a sling, flash hider, and a little 550' cord around the stock) is actually lighter than a fully loaded heavy barrel AR with the flashlight, laser, optics, etc.  My AK will also drill through small to medium trees with little bullet deflection.  I'll just shoot through a tree that dumbass is using as cover!  AK  wins.  At least where I live.

How much does it weigh?

[southern patriot]

Nola's not a dumbass...a little noid yes,but not a dumbass!
He lives in a bad area...hell,just the other day some pussy broke a beer bottle n stabbed him in the foot!

[NOLA556]

Nola's not a dumbass...a little noid yes,but not a dumbass!
He lives in a bad area...hell,just the other day some pussy broke a beer bottle n stabbed him in the foot!

bwaahhaha! oh man that made me laugh.

[southern patriot]

If you tell it as a war story,technicaly your not lieing!
 

[mountainredneck2051]

Oh my!  My Ak (the only mods are a sling, flash hider, and a little 550' cord around the stock) is actually lighter than a fully loaded heavy barrel AR with the flashlight, laser, optics, etc.  My AK will also drill through small to medium trees with little bullet deflection.  I'll just shoot through a tree that dumbass is using as cover!  AK  wins.  At least where I live.

i don't know what trees look like where you live, but out here tree's 8" thick and smaller don't provide cover or concealment..........
but if you find a guy hiding behind an aspen tree by all means shoot the dumbass, lord knows we don't need him

[mountainredneck2051]

ok i guess i should expand upon my comment,
ak sure as hell ain't going through any tree more than 8" thick, and there sure ain't any trees that are that size or smaller that a human could use for cover

there does that make sense to you now?

[CrookedSights]

You cleared it right up for me thanks.

[EJR914]

a little something I whipped up for you guys just for the sake of being an inflammatory little bastard:

http://www.youtube.com/user/NOLA556?feature=mhee

LOL  Good video.  I agree, with a little practice, I think reloading the AR is more simple.

[EJR914]

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[UnBroken]

Boys & Girls......Redneck,

 this si what i ment in the advancement of the ar15. you see all the torcher tests done and all the crazy things people do to ar's i think that they have equal reliablity based on what

[sledge]

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Dirt Test
Water Test
Shrapnel Test
Rollover Test
Blast Test
Drop Tests

See the website for more description of torture:  https://danieldefense.com/TortureTest

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Holy shit!  I'm impressed.  That M4 is an outstanding example of an AK reliability wannabe.     [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co What is that saying, "Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery."  I'll bet some where along the way the CEO of that company made the statement,"We need a reputation for reliability that equals that of an AK!"  Looks like they are pretty damn close to achieving it.

Very impressive.