Many questions

[thatGuy]

We have rules, he broke several of them.

http://straightprep.com/forum/index.php?topic=147.0

[sledge]

ASPJ makes some good points guys. What say you?

I personally have a lot of respect for AllShallPerishJ.  His comments are always level headed and make sense.  But my gut tells me that we shouldn't ban anyone that might be helped by the site.

I say give Skyhawk another chance to fit in.  I think BWB is finally coming around.  I'm not really concerned about police/FBI.  This site is clean.  Heck, I'd like to see an agent have the balls to join and put out his point of view.  I'd like to see SH's teacher join too.

It'd be pretty cool it we could ever have prepping taught in school to the young people.

 

[thatGuy]

I'm the only mod that can ban, I would like SkyHawk to stand and answer.

[NOLA556]

Nola, I respect your opinion as I respect you as a fellow like minded individual. Although I may not understand what exactly this "common sense" standpoint may be, I still respect your opinion and the fact that you're man enough to acknowledge it. You're a good guy brother.

after I posted that I was afraid it would be too vague and wouldn't be understood.

all I meant was that the dude is 16. I didn't even get into this shit until I was around 20-21 and even then I was posting shit on other forums that was alot dumber than what the young bucks around here are posting. I was such a sheep at 16 that all I cared about was my guitar and punk rock.. "fuck the government" because a punk band said so.. I could barely name the 3 branches of government, much less even begin to understand the simplest concepts of how it operates or what is wrong with it.

I just get a lump in my throat every time a thread like this comes around and everyone jumps up a "fuckin new guy's" ass because of a question that they thought was legit.

honestly, I really like Rah's idea about a noob thread. we can all participate in directing them to the noob thread once it's posted. I PM'd with skyhawk a little bit and he really had no idea that he was stepping into a shitstorm by asking about AK/AR.

[NOLA556]

Nola, I respect your opinion as I respect you as a fellow like minded individual. Although I may not understand what exactly this "common sense" standpoint may be, I still respect your opinion and the fact that you're man enough to acknowledge it. You're a good guy brother.

after I posted that I was afraid it would be too vague and wouldn't be understood.

all I meant was that the dude is 16. I didn't even get into this shit until I was around 20-21 and even then I was posting shit on other forums that was alot dumber than what the young bucks around here are posting. I was such a sheep at 16 that all I cared about was my guitar and punk rock.. "fuck the government" because a punk band said so.. I could barely name the 3 branches of government, much less even begin to understand the simplest concepts of how it operates or what is wrong with it.

I just get a lump in my throat every time a thread like this comes around and everyone jumps up a "fuckin new guy's" ass because of a question that they thought was legit.

honestly, I really like Rah's idea about a noob thread. we can all participate in directing them to the noob thread once it's posted. I PM'd with skyhawk a little bit and he really had no idea that he was stepping into a shitstorm by asking about AK/AR.

It is in my honest opinion that he stepped into a shit storm with other things stated and not just a trivial ar/ak question. I am only concerned about big issues here, like parading around saying "militant extremists want to kill him". That's a big fucking red flag, am I hallucinating here or have people just gone plain mad? I'm at a loss of words, how the hell is that acceptable? This isn't about bullying the "new guy", this is about childish behavior being exhibited by someone who clearly conducts themselves like they have mental health issues. If anyone desires to throw their support behind those folks, tread lightly my friends.

no no man, I see exactly what you're saying, and you're not completely wrong. I guess all I'm saying is that I would have done the exact same thing or worse at that age. reach out for the most obvious insult that would piss off my "attackers".

either way, what happens from here is not my call.

[gapatriot]

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[Kobalt]

What about Luis chesty and myself?

[Ghost]

If we're going to start banning people because of their age, then we should start banning people because of their I.Q. too, or if they have a beard or not, or if they can drink 15 beer and walk a straight line.


Yeah he's a young shit. So what. He wants to learn, so lets give him a chance. We were all stupid kids at one point.



But if you start banning people because of stupid personal shit, ban me too.

[gapatriot]

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[Mississippi]

Why do you fellas hate on my little cousin Backwoodsboy, i mean come on, yea he's got a big mouth but he is more mature than anyone his age i've ever met, and these kid's are the future of our nation. I suggest you make a thread for begginers that RECOMENDS what to get.

[sledge]

What about Luis chesty and myself?

Now see.  This just isn't right.  These guys are wondering if they are going to be unwelcome.  And they've never caused any problem I'm aware of.

[rah45]

Wow. This shit's actually starting to hurt my head. 

All right, how about this: from this point forward, we forbid any members younger than 18 from joining. The only way someone younger than 18 may join, is if an existing member will vouch for him/her. This would be a responsibility that the individual member will take upon himself, and whatever the newbie does and however he acts will be remembered, and the existing member probably will not be taken at his word if he brings someone into our community that is too immature to deal with reality.

I don't know what the consensus will be regarding Skyhawk, but BWB and the others have shown improvement, and Spirit of Adventure has made tremendous effort to not only be respectful, but also to guide others nearer his age. In my opinion, those young members should stay, and we implement this policy immediately. I think it's fair that we vet new members below the age of adulthood in order to prevent compromising situations that exist when dealing with minors. None of us wanted this, but we cannot predict what young people will do. Their bodies and minds just have to mature with time.

Thoughts? 

[gapatriot]

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[sledge]

If we're going to start banning people because of their age, then we should start banning people because of their I.Q. too,

If the site starts banning people for IQ's I'm gonna be in a world of hurt.   

[Ghost]

EVERYONE has the right to learn, doesn't matter about their age guys. If they ask a stupid ass question, so what? Lead them to the answer. If this is so hard, then please, PM me, and I'll do it.

This is starting to get pretty damn ridiculous. If your 15 year old kid asks you a stupid question, do you kick them out of the house?


 

If we're going to start banning people because of their age, then we should start banning people because of their I.Q. too,

If the site starts banning people for IQ's I'm gonna be in a world of hurt.   

Hope you make room for me too, mate. lol.

[NOLA556]

I'm with you frosty. this is getting to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen

"and many facepalms were had that day"...

[Ghost]

[gapatriot]

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[rah45]

EVERYONE has the right to learn, doesn't matter about their age guys. If they ask a stupid ass question, so what? Lead them to the answer. If this is so hard, then please, PM me, and I'll do it.

I'm fine with answering "stupid" questions. That is why I want to make the noob thread. However, what sets alarm bells off is when the newbie in question makes up stories about us threatening his life, just because he became angry during a debate. I'm not sure how it is in Canada (and I'm being sincere, not a smartass), but here in the U.S., once a minor goes through his "proper channels" with that kind of info...well, truthful or not you're getting a ton of extra attention. It's just ripe for something bad to happen, even though we've done nothing wrong. I'm perfectly fine with everything else Skyhawk has done.

[Kobalt]

Wow. This shit's actually starting to hurt my head. 

All right, how about this: from this point forward, we forbid any members younger than 18 from joining. The only way someone younger than 18 may join, is if an existing member will vouch for him/her. This would be a responsibility that the individual member will take upon himself, and whatever the newbie does and however he acts will be remembered, and the existing member probably will not be taken at his word if he brings someone into our community that is too immature to deal with reality.

I don't know what the consensus will be regarding Skyhawk, but BWB and the others have shown improvement, and Spirit of Adventure has made tremendous effort to not only be respectful, but also to guide others nearer his age. In my opinion, those young members should stay, and we implement this policy immediately. I think it's fair that we vet new members below the age of adulthood in order to prevent compromising situations that exist when dealing with minors. None of us wanted this, but we cannot predict what young people will do. Their bodies and minds just have to mature with time.

Thoughts? 

I hate to say it but something needs to be done. I think I have impacted BWB enough for him to stay. I was really hoping for more intelligent and respectful young men to join. I really hoped skyhawk would be another good young guy. I think we might have to implement a trial for people bellow the age of 18. Say we limit the posts to 50 and if they are mature give them unlimited posts. As for skyhawk, I am unsure. I dont think it was just the stupid questions, he hit some really soft spots.

[rah45]

If one thing is said and taken out of context there could be legal ramifications in regard to these peoples ages, and if none of yall can see that then its your problem have at it.

Exactly. Up to this point, we've all assumed we could deal with any problems in a civilized, logical manner. We didn't count on raw, unrestrained emotional responses from teenagers. I suppose we should have assumed it would happen. However, it does change things a lot, hence the current conversation. I think we all want to help younger people, but when you start getting into certain dangerous territory, it's just not worth the risk. I'm just trying to find that nice middle ground.

With that said, is NO ONE going to give me feedback on my earlier idea?

[thatGuy]

As of today all members that can't prove beard ownership will be banned.

Nola, you do have a say. We are writing the rules as we go. I personally don't want to ban anyone but for fuck sake I don't understand why some people have to get shitty in 5 posts or less?

On that note do you think they tolerate this shit over at LightFighter.net? GlockTalk? SurvivorBlog?

Seriously we need to help Rah write the No0b intro so we have a tool to hand these guys.

[Ghost]

EVERYONE has the right to learn, doesn't matter about their age guys. If they ask a stupid ass question, so what? Lead them to the answer. If this is so hard, then please, PM me, and I'll do it.

I'm fine with answering "stupid" questions. That is why I want to make the noob thread. However, what sets alarm bells off is when the newbie in question makes up stories about us threatening his life, just because he became angry during a debate. I'm not sure how it is in Canada (and I'm being sincere, not a smartass), but here in the U.S., once a minor goes through his "proper channels" with that kind of info...well, truthful or not you're getting a ton of extra attention. It's just ripe for something bad to happen, even though we've done nothing wrong. I'm perfectly fine with everything else Skyhawk has done.

I totally understand you. But like has already been said, kids say shit. And many times that shit isn't truth. Most of the time, they just do it to try to be the bigger man, if you know what I mean.

The stuff we do, it's pretty intimidating. And I can see how a kid can become much more hostile when confronted, especially under the context that we're in here.

Either way, I still say we let him stay. And Rah, like I said, I'm all for helping you in anyway you need. I'll be a big prepper bro to these little shits

[NOLA556]

EVERYONE has the right to learn, doesn't matter about their age guys. If they ask a stupid ass question, so what? Lead them to the answer. If this is so hard, then please, PM me, and I'll do it.

However, what sets alarm bells off is when the newbie in question makes up stories about us threatening his life, just because he became angry during a debate. I'm not sure how it is in Canada (and I'm being sincere, not a smartass), but here in the U.S., once a minor goes through his "proper channels" with that kind of info...well, truthful or not you're getting a ton of extra attention. It's just ripe for something bad to happen, even though we've done nothing wrong.

yea, I have been quite the smartass in this matter, but I'll agree that THAT aspect of this whole thing does make me a bit nervous. also that teacher reporting law that allshall brought up.

[Ghost]

As of today all members that can't prove beard ownership will be banned.

Dude, I look like a 15 year old Taliban kid...I don't want to prove shit lol.