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Re: Gay marriage re-Legalized in CA
« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2013, 12:51:50 PM »
So.. Bestiality.

Yay or nay or GTFA?
Totally unrelated to gay marriage. It's a whole nother beast.  :o ;)

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Re: Gay marriage re-Legalized in CA
« Reply #76 on: June 28, 2013, 12:54:59 PM »
Guys, it's not about finding peace or solace. It's about finding truth. If anyone thinks being a Christian is easy you've got the wrong idea. When people say I'm trying to "convert" them I want you to understand that's entirely true, but it's not some pat you on the back welcome to the club reception. I want people to wake up to the truth. That's hard. Incredibly hard. Even when you know it through and through it's a difficult walk, but I'm not the type of man who is going to step down from it.

Crudos, as Christians fade you will watch this nation slip further and further in to chaos. And what replaces it will not be pretty. This is one of the topics I've held back on, but should you ever want to understand what's here and what's coming in these regards I'll be happy to post. It's going to get a lot worse.


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Re: Gay marriage re-Legalized in CA
« Reply #77 on: June 28, 2013, 12:59:53 PM »
Guys, it's not about finding peace or solace. It's about finding truth. If anyone thinks being a Christian is easy you've got the wrong idea. When people say I'm trying to "convert" them I want you to understand that's entirely true, but it's not some pat you on the back welcome to the club reception. I want people to wake up to the truth. That's hard. Incredibly hard. Even when you know it through and through it's a difficult walk, but I'm not the type of man who is going to step down from it.

Crudos, as Christians fade you will watch this nation slip further and further in to chaos. And what replaces it will not be pretty. This is one of the topics I've held back on, but should you ever want to understand what's here and what's coming in these regards I'll be happy to post. It's going to get a lot worse.
I'd love to see you write something like that for the forum. Please don't hold back on my or anyone's account. Would make a great piece for the "Health - Body, Mind, and Spirit" part of the forum.

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Re: Gay marriage re-Legalized in CA
« Reply #78 on: June 28, 2013, 01:00:29 PM »
So.. Bestiality.

Yay or nay or GTFA?
Totally unrelated to gay marriage. It's a whole nother beast.  :o ;)

What about legalizing consenting 13 year old kids for sex? There are those out there supporting such legislation. And if you say no than please explain it other than age, because that's basically a traditions based argument that you've tossed out the window with your stance on homosexual marriage. In other words, don't play this game of liberally deciding what's wrong by degrees. Wrong is wrong. Provide proof it's wrong.

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Re: Gay marriage re-Legalized in CA
« Reply #79 on: June 28, 2013, 01:07:32 PM »
What about legalizing consenting 13 year old kids for sex? There are those out there supporting such legislation. And if you say no than please explain it other than age, because that's basically a traditions based argument that you've tossed out the window with your stance on homosexual marriage. In other words, don't play this game of liberally deciding what's wrong by degrees. Wrong is wrong. Provide proof it's wrong.
Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and others tried to rule by absolutism. Your version of society sounds an awful lot like a totalitarian regime to me. Black and white has killed millions, while gray is the color of freedom my friend.

If you want to talk about legal age of consent, beastility, and other non-similar topics, then please start an appropriate thread for it.

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Re: Gay marriage re-Legalized in CA
« Reply #80 on: June 28, 2013, 01:21:56 PM »
What about legalizing consenting 13 year old kids for sex? There are those out there supporting such legislation. And if you say no than please explain it other than age, because that's basically a traditions based argument that you've tossed out the window with your stance on homosexual marriage. In other words, don't play this game of liberally deciding what's wrong by degrees. Wrong is wrong. Provide proof it's wrong.
Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and others tried to rule by absolutism. Your version of society sounds an awful lot like a totalitarian regime to me. Black and white has killed millions, while gray is the color of freedom my friend.

If you want to talk about legal age of consent, beastility, and other non-similar topics, then please start an appropriate thread for it.

Christianity isn't absolutism. It's free will informed and used properly. And wake up, you already live in a totalitarian regime. Problem is the stance you're taking is with the regime and against men, women, and families who hold themselves to a moral standard. If you want to dodge answering my legal consent question that's fine, but you need to concede that yours, and their arguments are only based on personal biased with no fundamental backing other than that of Karl Marx and Barack Obama.

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Re: Gay marriage re-Legalized in CA
« Reply #81 on: June 28, 2013, 01:44:51 PM »
Christianity isn't absolutism. It's free will informed and used properly. And wake up, you already live in a totalitarian regime. Problem is the stance you're taking is with the regime and against men, women, and families who hold themselves to a moral standard. If you want to dodge answering my legal consent question that's fine, but you need to concede that yours, and their arguments are only based on personal biased with no fundamental backing other than that of Karl Marx and Barack Obama.

Christian absolutism: So the whole, 'your going to spend eternity in hell, unless you follow our path,' doesn't sound like a totalitarian regime to you?

"Free will informed and used properly": So a person has free will to follow your path. If not, you will be shamed, coerced, or otherwise brow-beaten to use your free will for the good of the christian god? Back in the day, Christianity did more than just psy-ops on non-christians to turn the population to their religion. Just saying.

"And wake up, you already live in a totalitarian regime": Lets see, as Christianity was the dominate religion since this nation was founded, tell me again how we got to this totalitarian regime?

If you wish to talk about legal age of consent, then start a new thread to pontificate about it. Flooding discussion with un-related topics does nothing to help others understand. But I get that is also part of the conversion process; agreement via confusion.

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Re: Gay marriage re-Legalized in CA
« Reply #82 on: June 28, 2013, 02:36:13 PM »
Christianity isn't absolutism. It's free will informed and used properly. And wake up, you already live in a totalitarian regime. Problem is the stance you're taking is with the regime and against men, women, and families who hold themselves to a moral standard. If you want to dodge answering my legal consent question that's fine, but you need to concede that yours, and their arguments are only based on personal biased with no fundamental backing other than that of Karl Marx and Barack Obama.

Christian absolutism: So the whole, 'your going to spend eternity in hell, unless you follow our path,' doesn't sound like a totalitarian regime to you?

"Free will informed and used properly": So a person has free will to follow your path. If not, you will be shamed, coerced, or otherwise brow-beaten to use your free will for the good of the christian god? Back in the day, Christianity did more than just psy-ops on non-christians to turn the population to their religion. Just saying.

"And wake up, you already live in a totalitarian regime": Lets see, as Christianity was the dominate religion since this nation was founded, tell me again how we got to this totalitarian regime?

If you wish to talk about legal age of consent, then start a new thread to pontificate about it. Flooding discussion with un-related topics does nothing to help others understand. But I get that is also part of the conversion process; agreement via confusion.

Hell isn't absolutism. You're given a choice. It doesn't mean you never sin again. It means you live a life expressing penitence, trying to turn from your sins, and ultimately turning from them through faith. I hate when people say Christianity is absolutism because it's the furthest thing from the truth. People like you just have to much pride to accept when you're wrong.

Free will informed and used properly doesn't mean you don't screw up. It just means rather than throwing a parade in others peoples faces about it you repent for your sins and attempt to turn from them. I've seen this struggle in men and women and it's real and it's difficult. Yeah, some are legitimately proud and have no struggle because they've pushed of the Holy Spirit and are numb to conviction, but others hurt deep inside because of it. Do you feel for those kids and adults or just think they must be crazy?  I mean if you're born gay why question it? Why not just go where ever your dick leads you?

How'd we get this totalitarian regime? Wolves in sheep's clothing. Don't ask stupid question. It's called corruption and it's the same damn thing you yourself have acknowledged in our nation. This whole agenda is what it is. Even if you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig. And as far as Christians committing a psyop; once again you are looking for perfection in men in a fallen world. EVERYONE is a hypocrite. Not to one extent or another. Me, you, everyone. That said would you rather stake a claim to morality and draw a line in the sand or just continue back stepping until you're up against a wall?

The age of consent argument was only to point out that people like yourself deal with things in degrees so you can scapegoat facts. It's like saying. "Obama's evil, but he's not as evil as Hitler." Like changing the age of consent to 13 is bad, but in comparison to homosexual marriage it's horrific because you want to tote it like it's some civil rights victory. It's like the blind men and the elephant. you have a concept of morality, but not the big picture. Reminds me of all the whites who voted for Obama because he was black. If you're confused it's your own deal.

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Re: Gay marriage re-Legalized in CA
« Reply #83 on: June 28, 2013, 02:46:55 PM »
@WW
A simple loaded question here:  Would you like to see the U.S. become a christian theocracy?
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« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2013, 03:01:30 PM »
@WW: I'm not confused most of the time, but wholly amused by the, "If we throw enough of a certain brown-substance against the wall, something is sure to stick,"-routine of gathering souls for your eternal happiness behind the pearly gates. I do enjoy these spiritual chats mostly, but have a feeling the rest of the forum it's probably like watching a car wreck over and over again. My apologies to the rest of the forum.

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« Reply #85 on: June 28, 2013, 04:47:47 PM »
@WW
A simple loaded question here:  Would you like to see the U.S. become a christian theocracy?

No. Now let me ask you something. Would you prefer politicians follow their own whim, Islamic principles, Communist manifestos, or Christian morals? Christ himself did not force the Romans to their knees and I wouldn't declare such a thing here either. Free will presents rewards and/or consequences. And before you answer don't give me any crap about people on either sides of party lines claiming to be christians. Their actions and their secret worshiping practices are well known enough to destroy their credibility.

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« Reply #86 on: June 28, 2013, 04:59:40 PM »
@WW: I'm not confused most of the time, but wholly amused by the, "If we throw enough of a certain brown-substance against the wall, something is sure to stick,"-routine of gathering souls for your eternal happiness behind the pearly gates. I do enjoy these spiritual chats mostly, but have a feeling the rest of the forum it's probably like watching a car wreck over and over again. My apologies to the rest of the forum.

"For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise."

Yeah, I do this for my eternal happiness.  :facepalm: Clearly you have no concept of what Christianity is and Christ covenant. We're not saved by preaching, good works, or arguing with atheist, agnostics, Muslims, gays, etc. We do it out of personal conviction to share truth and light that we've gained and to teach a doctrine of forgiveness and redemption through Yahushua Ha'Maschiach (Jesus Christ). We are saved by our faith and are penitence to God. Maybe you don't need that though in your mind. Maybe you think you've never sinned, hurt another person, or have anything to be ashamed of. If that be the case say so and I'll let you go your way in ignorance.

Ever wonder how a small child can lie, steal, or commit some sin they were never taught? That's all of us. We're not born Christians. When you discover the truth about something you want to share it.

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« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2013, 06:55:06 PM »
Edited for lack of substance.... :dancingGrenade:
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Re: Gay marriage re-Legalized in CA
« Reply #88 on: June 28, 2013, 10:23:47 PM »
@WW
A simple loaded question here:  Would you like to see the U.S. become a christian theocracy?

No. Now let me ask you something. Would you prefer politicians follow their own whim, Islamic principles, Communist manifestos, or Christian morals? Christ himself did not force the Romans to their knees and I wouldn't declare such a thing here either. Free will presents rewards and/or consequences. And before you answer don't give me any crap about people on either sides of party lines claiming to be christians. Their actions and their secret worshiping practices are well known enough to destroy their credibility.
Sounds exactly like a Christian Theocracy to me. But only for the Christians who know the secret handshake that is all very Taliban-esque, complete with it's very own Sharia Law for us non-believers. Or maybe re-education camps too, would WW be in the watchtower guarding over our eternal souls?

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« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2013, 10:59:19 PM »
Sounds exactly like a Christian Theocracy to me. But only for the Christians who know the secret handshake that is all very Taliban-esque, complete with it's very own Sharia Law for us non-believers. Or maybe re-education camps too, would WW be in the watchtower guarding over our eternal souls?
Yeah, what happened there?  WW's seemingly definitive "no" had a meltdown there at the end.  ::)
*places shit-stirring spoon back in its slot* :P
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« Reply #90 on: June 28, 2013, 11:23:32 PM »
Guys if you can't contribute something intellectual to this dialogue just bow out. There no need to act childish about it. No one is melting down. And Crudos, no one's going to be picking you off from a watch tower in your imaginary "christian hell." I know, being advised to do good and refrain from immoral behavior must be incredibly scary, but I assure in today's world only the Muslims are beheading people. Though I do have to say, if you're a man with weak convictions Christianity probably isn't for you. After all, we are being beheaded and crucified around the globe at an alarming rate. It'll reach here soon enough.

 That aside, neither of you have presented any legitimate argument for the Consititutionality of allowing gays marital status, proven that marriage is a right, substantiated contrary evidence that it is not part of the Marxist agenda, nor have you given any other conflicting view to mine other than your own personal biases. What's the agenda here guys? Bore me to death?

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« Reply #91 on: June 28, 2013, 11:28:07 PM »
What's the agenda here guys? Bore me to death?
My agenda is individual freedom... boring enough for ya?

On a side note: I don't believe in government involvement in marriage in the first place.
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« Reply #92 on: June 28, 2013, 11:57:03 PM »
Guys if you can't contribute something intellectual to this dialogue just bow out. There no need to act childish about it. No one is melting down. And Crudos, no one's going to be picking you off from a watch tower in your imaginary "christian hell." I know, being advised to do good and refrain from immoral behavior must be incredibly scary, but I assure in today's world only the Muslims are beheading people. Though I do have to say, if you're a man with weak convictions Christianity probably isn't for you. After all, we are being beheaded and crucified around the globe at an alarming rate. It'll reach here soon enough.

 That aside, neither of you have presented any legitimate argument for the Consititutionality of allowing gays marital status, proven that marriage is a right, substantiated contrary evidence that it is not part of the Marxist agenda, nor have you given any other conflicting view to mine other than your own personal biases. What's the agenda here guys? Bore me to death?
Now you what to stay on-topic? Make up your mind would be a good place to start. Opps, 30 more days in solitary for me at the Camp Sunshine & Jesus Lollipops for that one I suspect.

The Supreme Court of the land decided gay marriages Constitutional status. Don't like it? Tell it to the judge, as they say. I suspect you would rather have a Holy Council deciding Constitutional challenges, that would make the path to Theocracy much easier?

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« Reply #93 on: June 29, 2013, 12:22:29 AM »
Special K-  ::) Sometimes you really live up to that "special" part in an unflattering way. That was a most excellent exercise in futility.

Crudos- Just come out and say you hate Christians. It'll save us all a lot of time and pointless banter. And regarding the Supreme Court, well their Obama's whores and there's evidence to suggest he's been manipulating them. Cough, PRISM, Cough Cough. Which I'm sure isn't the first time that has happened in history, but if you feel the SCOTUS is fit and moral enough to decide what's right for this country along with our elected officials and masses of sheep, well then I'm not quite sure what you're doing here.  I mean as far left as you are I'm beginning to wonder if you're government shill. Seriously, the level of shit you spew sometimes I've only ever heard from far left progressives. Now, in to your Bible study class  :whip:  :lmfao:

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« Reply #94 on: June 29, 2013, 07:58:33 AM »
 C:-)
We have 2 pages soon to be three, of this back and forth. Can we agree to disagree on this subject and move on?

Now please take this great energy and write an article for the DYI, survival, etc boards.

Thank you!  C:-)
 
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« Reply #95 on: June 29, 2013, 09:46:38 AM »
Crudos the fact that our current government wants something alone isnt enough for you to think its bad for America? We know the current government is moving purposely AWAY from personal freedom. So why would they legalize gay marriage? Look past two feet infront of your face. The useful idiots think this is great. All it is, is a carrot for the sheep to luer him into the slaughter house. You really want that carrot that badly?

The last 50 years in this country is not traditional America. Any things you dont like about this country is their doing. Hope, change and "forward" is continuing down the wrong path. Every time i hear "change America" all i hear is mindless hate. Why does everyone hate America these days? I realize the last 50 years sucked but thats hope and changes fault. In the beginning progress for change was slow because all anyone knew was traditional America, and they liked it. Now weve raised generations in this hope and changed America. And people think it sucks so they want change. Well they dont know it but what they want is a rewind button. Furthering the progressive(communist) agenda is going to lead to further revoking of petsonal freedoms.

They might throw you a carrot every now and then to keep you moving but that carrot aint worth where your headed.
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« Reply #96 on: June 29, 2013, 09:31:17 PM »
Hey guys real quick i want to retract my previous statement about Libertarianism possibly being the anti-christ. It was said jokingly, but jokes are only funny if theres some sort of truth behind them. And with further research i see now Libertarianism was simply misrepresented by other users to me. Libertarianism does not support gay marriage based on the fact that its one group forcing another group to accept them in a public setting. Libertarianism isnt anarchy. It has boundries aswell. It dosent support the freedoms of anyone to do anything they please. Im glad to see this because i relate to Libertarians. Who knows i might even be one. So anyways...
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« Reply #97 on: June 29, 2013, 09:49:19 PM »
Hey guys real quick i want to retract my previous statement about Libertarianism possibly being the anti-christ. It was said jokingly, but jokes are only funny if theres some sort of truth behind them. And with further research i see now Libertarianism was simply misrepresented by other users to me. Libertarianism does not support gay marriage based on the fact that its one group forcing another group to accept them in a public setting. Libertarianism isnt anarchy. It has boundries aswell. It dosent support the freedoms of anyone to do anything they please. Im glad to see this because i relate to Libertarians. Who knows i might even be one. So anyways...

 :thumbsUp: All good, just watch out for nationalist in libertarian clothing.

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« Reply #98 on: July 01, 2013, 11:26:44 AM »
Well let me give you some biblical teachings, just to let you know I am Catholic so I'm supposed to be anti-gay well fuck that, anyway here goes, just to let you know I don't where to look you might have to look it up, anyway the bible says to love your neighbor, never judge a person and the most important thing its GODS job to judge humans not humans.. Just thought that might help you get rid of your ignorance and holier than though bullshit.

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« Reply #99 on: July 01, 2013, 04:57:08 PM »


Ignorance... That word sure does get thrown around from the left a lot. Kind of like "close-minded"... Maybe you could be open to the idea that i might be right. Your very open-minded aslong as everyone agrees with you right? Your ideaology is simply another ideaology. You seem to think your ideaology is a blank canvas and mine is a painted one. Well yours is painted too brother. I know you think your stance is this neutral pro everyone stance but its not. Your ideaology is just another sided idea. You are no more open minded then me or anyone. Its just another sided opinion.
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