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Offline NativeSon

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Psychology of survival
« on: August 24, 2014, 02:13:18 AM »
I didn't stumble across anything like this, but if a topic has already been made, I apologize.

I'd like to have a discussion on the psychology and mindset of being in a survival situation. I will give you the information I've gained based on my experiences in the military, and how to achieve the desired mindset.


First, let's go over what happens in a survival situation.

Whatever scenario kicks off the survival events, it'll likely be traumatic. It'll be a paradigm shift in the daily lives of humanity. We'll go with something simple like a massive power outage. People will panic. They will not know what to do and where to turn for help. We are well aware of what happens when people panic. It's not pretty. Obviously, for us as preppers, we plan for disasters. We have a certain expectation of reality and mentally prepare ourselves for it. We have contingencies in place, we can handle the stress, we can endure. Right?

Maybe not.

How many of you have had to operate a week on two hours of sleep a night? How many of you have operated on adrenalin alone? Who has endured absolute fear and exhaustion, both mentally and physically, and still performed life saving tasks?

Based on my experiences in the Army (and I'm sure many others'), I will tell you that it is not something you can jump right into. You must be conditioned to ignore the small stuff, the cold, the rain, the wind, the hopelessness... Perhaps the most effective way to accomplish this is through rigorous physical training. Go on a run until you are tired, then keep going. Sprint until you puke, then keep going. Go on a six mile hike, don't stop until you've hit 12. Do whatever you can to exhaust yourself, the find the strength within you to keep going. Pain and discomfort are temporary.

One of the first lessons I ever learned, I learned the hard way. Being cold and wet sucks. It really sucks. I had to find that spark deep inside me to endure. I was tired, I was angry, I was cold and wet. On top of that, I was poked fun at by the other recruits. I wanted it to be over. I wanted to quit. I didn't. I put all of it in the back of my head and drove on.

I was once 8 miles into a 12 mile ruck with 60 pounds on my back, it was easily a hundred degrees in the El Paso desert. It started off bad, I had a shooting pain in my hip at mile 2, and by mile 6 my leg was completely numb. I was walking through soft, deep sand, my pace little more than a shuffle, yet I kept going. I kept walking until I had to be picked up. By that time my leg was so messed up, I might as well have had a wooden peg.

The point is, no matter what, you have to push pain and misery out of your head if you want to survive.

In Afghanistan, there was a period of time where my schedule allowed me only 2-4 hours of sleep per night, for a month. I had night shift on guard, 0000-0600. I had mission at 0800. We wouldn't get back until 1400-1500. Vehicle and weapon maintenance was from 1500-1700. Chow was sometime after that. Gym time was after chow. I was lucky if I was asleep by 2200.

Imagine the stress. I had all of my given duties plus my implied duties such as shower, police calls, improving our defenses, doing laundry, and whatever random event occurred. Imagine the dog and pony show we had to put on when a General showed up. It pushed us to our breaking points. Some of us were on the verge of shooting our NCO's.

In a survival situation, you will be pushed harder than you'd ever imagine you could go, but you have to forget the small stuff. So what if you're tired and hungry. If you don't keep moving, you die. If you lose hope, you die. Focus on your goal, on the task at hand. Make small gains. Reach the next tree, the rock in the distance, or even your cache if you have one.

I can't tell you how you're going to reach the mental level where you are resilient enough to endure. I can tell you that practicing helps. Go for longer with less. Reach your limit, then break it. I guarantee that if you reach the point where you thing you have to quit, you can keep going. Take one more step. Then another. When you can physically no longer do so, then you can stop.

Managing stress is the key. Don't give up, don't lose hope. Always have a backup plan.

If anyone has something they'd like to add, feel free. This is an open discussion.

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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2014, 02:39:52 AM »
Managing stress is the key. Don't give up, don't lose hope. Always have a backup plan.

If anyone has something they'd like to add, feel free. This is an open discussion.

A sense of humor goes a long way.
Because lets face it guys... it's not like we're getting out of it alive.

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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2014, 05:57:49 AM »
Managing stress is the key. Don't give up, don't lose hope. Always have a backup plan.

If anyone has something they'd like to add, feel free. This is an open discussion.

A sense of humor goes a long way.
Because lets face it guys... it's not like we're getting out of it alive.
Absolutely. I'm the type of guy that laughs off everything. I laugh to cope. Its really helpful. I can laugh off some pretty messed up stuff. I think to others some times it may make you look totally insane but there will be those who will laugh along. They'll be the ones surviving with you. Laughter is key for me at least.
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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2014, 01:07:44 PM »
Patience is important, I think.  Patience with people who are frightened, tired, hungry, cold, etc.  Patience about working with people who have different ideas of what is the right answer to the crisis.  Patience with yourself as you have to learn new skills and understanding that you won't be able to get everything right the first time.  It's a matter of taking a deep breath before speaking and trying to remember that everyone is just as stressed as you are.
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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2014, 03:22:10 PM »
Patience is important, I think.  Patience with people who are frightened, tired, hungry, cold, etc.  Patience about working with people who have different ideas of what is the right answer to the crisis.  Patience with yourself as you have to learn new skills and understanding that you won't be able to get everything right the first time.  It's a matter of taking a deep breath before speaking and trying to remember that everyone is just as stressed as you are.

I beg to differ on being patient with other people. Indecision gets people killed. Those that hesitate will only get you killed. If they will not cooperate with you, you do not need them. They will do their own thing, let them.

People that are under stress do not make rational decisions unless they have tons of experience working in stressful situations. They panic, the shut down, they operate by primitive instinct alone. They listen to their flight response, not their fight response. If you feel the need to associate with them, you must assert authority and get them focused. They will have reverted to their herd mentality, you must make them a pack.

As for yourself, patience goes a long way. Understand it will take time to make a fire with a hand drill, or in rainy situations. You may have to travel further to get food and water than you anticipated, it may be hotter or colder than you expected or prepared for. Any number of things can go wrong, and at this time, it is good to be patient and collected, or you will make a serious error that will get you killed.

This is the time to employ what is known as a tactical pause; where you stop what you are doing to reevaluate the situation and assess whether what you're doing is actually working.

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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 09:38:13 AM »
I absolutely disagree that you should decide to be some sort of minor dictator in a crisis, but then my belief that we all have to work together is definitely in the minority in the prepping community.
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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 10:24:17 AM »
I do believe that NativeSon is referring to the standard policy adopted during a crisis:
"Lead, follow, or get-the-fuck-out-of-the-way."

Any fear of dictatorship should be diffused by the "...or get-the-fuck-out-of-the-way" clause.  No where does this policy state that dissenters should be enslaved... but they may be shown the door if they refuse to get out of the way.
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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2014, 02:29:31 PM »
Anyone that won't contribute to your survival can go out on their own. Cooperation is obviously the best way to go, but modern humans are not naturally conditioned to deal with the stresses of survival. It's a paradigm shift for us. Many will die from the psychological shock alone.

When someone refuses to cooperate, at best you let them choose to leave or cooperate, at worst, you neutralize the threat to your safety.

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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 04:26:25 PM »
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People that are under stress do not make rational decisions

In my 30 years experience, I'd wholeheartedly have to agree with that.

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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2014, 10:20:59 AM »
I absolutely disagree that you should decide to be some sort of minor dictator in a crisis, but then my belief that we all have to work together is definitely in the minority in the prepping community.
I think what is trying to be said here is in a crisis or high intensity situation that calls for critical thinking, there is little time to have a pow-wow and tabletop discussion entertaining everyone's opinion on the best course of action. That is why contingencies and courses of action covering the wide spectrum of possible scenarios should be played out and hashed out ahead of time. In the medical word we use standing orders and protocols. Specific courses of action. These are used partly because people under stress do not multi-task well at all.

It's the whole hard rally point and soft rally point mentality. Hard rally point being when the chips are down and critical decision making is taking place when lives are at stake. Here's the plan - follow it or go sit on the sideline.

Soft-rally points have their place for sure. Don't get me wrong. I'm 100% for having tabletop discussions to plan out courses of action before hand. Where everyone gets to add their 2 cents to the pile. But these are done when there is no crisis occuring, absolutely not during a high intensity situation.

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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2014, 03:43:06 PM »
Well said KJ.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2014, 02:05:03 PM »
KJ - definitely! I like the way you framed that.  It also brings up an important issue, which is why a lot of us prep.  Deciding ahead of a crisis how we'll handle it and what we'll do. That's an important psychological tool, as well as practical.  If you don't believe emergencies or disasters could happen to you, you won't be able to prep for them!
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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2014, 10:40:55 PM »
I believe that the OP is completely right, it's been said a million times...but it really is 90% mental and 10% physical. You can probably dash in a small percentage of luck as well.

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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2014, 04:00:16 PM »
I have coached a lot of people (I hate the verb managed) in my life on this earth in easy and stressful situations.

Easy situations = Ask for input and then coach folks to the outcome that is right for the situation
Tough Situations = Take ownership and make a bloody decision and move forward! 99 times out of 100
      it was the correct decision and direction at that exact moment in time. After all you can always
      adjust slightly to the left or right/up or down as the need arises.

On another note: I have hired, promoted, demoted and fired a few people in my life. The number one thing I look for in any of these actions is attitude - Whether it be a good or a bad one. One thing you can not coach is good attitude.
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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2014, 06:10:21 AM »
Great discussion  :cheers:

I have lots of questions, stories, suggestions - but gotta go to work :) For now just to say a small shift in attitude can go a long way.  One time in particular I will always remember - I was landscaping on the roof of a high rise in winter - horizontal rain - and I was trying to thread a bit of wire through a hole underneath a BIG plant pot, then loop it round a washer and back through the hole.  So... lying on my back in the mud with one arm supporting the weight of the pot and the other arm at full stretch trying to find this tiny hole.  I was needless to say cursing the pot, the wire, the hole, the washer, the weather, the whole shitty job... and failing, repeatedly.  So I stopped what I was doing and nearly gave up.  A friend was laughing at me - which didn't help - but he said "Why don't you just make friends with it?" which did help - a bunch.  I took a deep breath and tried again calmly - the wire looped straight through easy as pie.

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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2014, 09:17:31 AM »
There you go...Attitude makes all the difference.  :thumbsUp:

I will share a JohnyMac story. By the way I think I shared this one before but what the heck I am old.  :walkingstick:

The company I was working for had just acquired a competitor and I was in charge of merging the two company cultures. During one of the many meeting's I facilitated around the country one really sticks out in mind, concerning attitude.

We had flown into a central location all of the managers for the southeast part of the country. It was supposed to be a two day meeting with a goal of making the acquired employees to feel a bit easier about the merger through open dialog and giving goals to strive towards. Pretty simple huh?

Well everything was going well with the exception of two managers who were running their mouth about how they wouldn't do this or wouldn't do that. How we , the acquisition company, didn't know our ass from a hole in the wall. Blah blah blah.

As we broke for lunch I pulled the District Manager of the a for mentioned managers aside and asked him to have a chat with the two managers. He made all kinds of excuses for the managers so I told them that if he didn't curb their mouths I would.

He did have a chat with the managers but unfortunately for one of them, to no avail; because I canned one of the managers in front of everyone present.

The manager i just canned in front of his peers just laughed/snorted and asked if I was serious. My answer was "yupper. And if you are not out of this room in 30 seconds I will call hotel security to have you escorted out."  :DrillSgt:

He gathered his stuff and stormed out of the room commenting on my ancestors and what I can do with his job.

Well that got everyone's attention real fast.  :hiding: The rest of the day and the next days meeting went off without a hitch.  ;)

As a side note:The just fired managers DM came to me during the next break and asked me how he should handle getting the fired manager back to the airport and then home. I explained to him that since he was a District Manager he needed to figure that out on his own. If he couldn't I would be happy to make him the new store manager of the store that, as of an hour ago, is now manager-less. He figured it out.  :o

People with poor attitudes are like a rotten apple. If you allow them to mingle with the other apples their rottenness will spread like Ebola.
       
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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2014, 06:40:25 AM »
Yup the rotten apple that spoils the barrel.  Sounds like you did the right thing, and not just for him - but to show you were serious to everyone - and the majority I'm sure respected and appreciated that.

I ran a few festivals back in the day - permaculture/ crafts/ alternative technology type things.  On one such event there was one man who disrupted the whole thing for maybe 500 people.  We couldn't move him on as he had some kind of sitting tenant's rights.  He was also large, violent, unpredictable and had a shotgun.  We tried negotiating, many times, but no success there - it wasn't a rational situation.  Our final solution was to send some people over to his bender first thing every the morning and wake him up with a huge spliff - as long as we kept him completely stoned he was a happy and helpful teddybear  ;D

ADRENALIN
I need more experience working under its effects.  I can't exactly predict the results - sometimes time slows down and I'm crystal clear, other times I flap about in confusion.  I think there is something that kicks in if your life is threatened - an additional factor over and above adrenalin… dunno.  I'll give an example of the down side of adrenalin - from a training exercise.

We had just finished one session and were winding down.  Someone handed me the radio while they got something from their packs.  Suddenly over the radio came news of an explosion in a factory - multiple casualties, dangerous chemicals/ gases likely present.  We hurried over with no real plan.  Inside was pitch black and smoky, severed limbs and blood, screaming.  No fires, and no obvious bad odour, so we made a decision to go in. 

Our team hurried about making assessments, applying tourniquets, Israelis, performing CPR etc.  Adrenalin pumping, I radioed for help and was told we would have to extract to another location as there was no road access, and they also asked how many casualties and what state.  I went inside and tried to get the info.  I shouted for a sit rep but nobody could hear me as they were too busy and there was too much other noise.  We had no appointed leader or anything - a real mess. 

I tried to count the casualties myself, feeling about in the dark, trying to communicate with the first responders - even shouting from 0.5m some didn't respond!  Did a circuit and lost count.  Couldn't hear the radio clearly so went outside - gave an estimate anyway.  Base was insisting on accurate data so I went back in.  A previously hidden casualty had been found, and others had been moved.  The radio was going mad - the extraction point had been changed, but I couldn't hear properly so had to go back outside.  Lost count again.  A few more repeats of this confusion followed…

Anyway - eventually the exercise ended, and we muddled through okish.  The first responder side was good (although hampered by a lack of light) - but the radio op was useless, and overall the leadership was poor!!!  Funny.  I just lost my brain completely - couldn't even count to ten without making a mess, and the whole time I had a Surefire in my pocket - 200 lumens of wasted energy! 

After a week of this I began to feel I was coping better under the effects of adrenalin - but I really wanted to keep going - I did feel like it would get easier.  Does it?
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Re: Psychology of survival
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2014, 07:31:12 AM »
TS, it has been my experience that it does get better.

Adrenaline is a funny drug that is released in our bodies that can be used to help in a situation. For me when in a situation that adrenaline flows, is to slow things down.

I also practice/train. Even if the training is just running through scenarios in my head for perceived events - This helps.

Now of course I can not practice or train for mortar shells dropping around me other than to plan to curl up in a fetal position, behind or in any cover I can find and pray.   :o :hiding:   
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