AK 47 VS AK 74

[mountainredneck2051]

too bad he didnt really have enough rounds to take em all out   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

[Grudgie]

Let's put it this way. You folks are preppers. Preppers talk shotguns. Preppers tend to think shotguns have their place in a prepper's arsenal. There are plenty of prepping youtube videos and articles on shotguns, and Mr.Lockandload and possibly the HossUSMC train regularly with them. However alot of these people wave off the Grarand like it's nothing. I distinctly remember Mr.Lockandload commenting negatively on the Garand.

..So lets compare the Garand with a shotgun.

Both the Garand and the modern combat rigged shotgun have a similar magazine capacity. The Garand being 8 and a shotgun 7-9. The Garand and a standard shotgun have similar weight and length. This is where they are similar.

A big shotgun advantage is the ability to load a depleted magazine. You can fire 2 rounds and load 2 rounds, and top it off with one in the chamber. The Garand can not be topped off and your 8 rounds must either be shot or replaced with a fresh clip. Another shotgun advantage is the ability to spread the shot. The shotgun can hit moving targets like birds and fleeing burgalars across the yard in low light.

The Garand however, can be loaded much faster than a standard tube fed shotgun which must be fed individual shells. With a Garand you simply take the clip and shove it in the reciver and then let go. Gun is ready. Another Garand advantage is obviously range. When buckshot has hit the dirt, the .30-06 will be laughing all the way to 800+ yards. Also the .30-06 has greater penetration than buckshot, but I'm not sure on slugs. However at longer ranges the Garand pulls ahead. You can also make the case that alot of shotguns are pump actions which would agian give the semi auto Garand the edge.

Well there you have it. I compared the Garand not with an AK or AR but with something that preppers can understand. Something that preppers generally approve of. When you get down to it, the Garand just isn't the utter shit weapon people seem to think it is.

everyone is entitled to their own opinions, yours is just wrong

Seriously? You like to imagine I am wrong as if I had said the Garand is better than an assualt rifle. I never did. But if you say I am wrong in that the Garand is NOT vastly inferior to modern weapons, well then to that I say

[crudos]

In this debate, it all really comes down to a consistent supply of ammunition. If your out of ammo, the Garand would make a better club, and with a bayonet attached, a nice, big pointy stick to get your point across.
 

[Reaver]

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Compare a Garand to a shotgun.  Come on dude.

Similar weight and length. I don't know about you but my shotgun (Was)  30" and (weighed) about 5 pounds. Last Time I checked a Garand is a lot heavier than 5 pounds and is a lot longer than 30"

What a dumb comparison dude. Don't get me wrong man, from what I've read on some of your post your pretty intelligent and you don't seem to be an asshole, but this whole M1 thing has to stop. It's a bad idea unless properly used and using it all the time isn't the right thing.

[EJR914]

I repeat, get you an AK that shoots 5.56/.223 and AR Mags, I repeat.

[Grudgie]

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Compare a Garand to a shotgun.  Come on dude.

Similar weight and length. I don't know about you but my shotgun (Was)  30" and (weighed) about 5 pounds. Last Time I checked a Garand is a lot heavier than 5 pounds and is a lot longer than 30"

What a dumb comparison dude. Don't get me wrong man, from what I've read on some of your post your pretty intelligent and you don't seem to be an asshole, but this whole M1 thing has to stop. It's a bad idea unless properly used and using it all the time isn't the right thing.

You are missing the point of the comparison. And they are very comparable by the way. They are both long steel pipes designed to contain explosions and throw metal in a controlled direction.

And you are right, I should have made it clear what kind of shotgun I was talking about, that is a mossberg 500/Remington 870 pump/automatic Beneli variety. Not your grandpa's break open.



Now let me make it clear, a modern assault rifle is superior to the Garand in versatility and general engagements a prepped might find himef in. So if I get negative karma for spreading wrong information I'm going to be pissed.

[mountainredneck2051]

 [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at i give up on you, keep lying to yourself

[special-k]

I repeat, get you an AK that shoots 5.56/.223 and AR Mags, I repeat.

Is there such an animal? An AK that uses AR mags?

[RS762]

I repeat, get you an AK that shoots 5.56/.223 and AR Mags, I repeat.

Is there such an animal? An AK that uses AR mags?

Yes.

[gapatriot]

I repeat, get you an AK that shoots 5.56/.223 and AR Mags, I repeat.

Is there such an animal? An AK that uses AR mags?

I can build you one when do you want it?

[EJR914]

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[RS762]

Don't take on too many new projects. You still have work to do. 

[Kentactic]

Ill throw my hat in the ring because i never pass up the chance to puke out my opinion.

Garand VS. Shotgun at 60 yards or less = Dead Garand operater

Garand VS. Shotgun beyond 60 yards = Dead shotgun operater

Garand VS. AR/AK at any range = Dead Garand operater

AR/AK VS. Shotgun at 35 yards or less = Dead everybody (although in my experience the first round on target usually goes to the shotgun due to open sighting system and large pattern allowing for a less then ideal sight picture.)

not saying my list is always right of course but id say thats the way the odds lean.

[Grudgie]

AR/AK VS. Shotgun at 35 yards or less = Dead everybody (although in my experience the first round on target usually goes to the shotgun due to open sighting system and large pattern allowing for a less then ideal sight picture.)

LIES. I am taking out of context your vague claim that the shotgun has any sort of advantage over an AR/AK! You are a hatefull heretic who must be burned!

*glances at karma*

Son of a bich!

[Reaver]

granddads shotgun?

Chuckle. Actually I was speaking in reference to an FN Police

Good call Pingster.

[Grudgie]

Good. I wan't talking about any grandad's shotgun either. Good to go.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

[Reaver]

Good. I wan't talking about any grandad's shotgun either. Good to go. 

You are missing the point of the comparison. And they are very comparable by the way. They are both long steel pipes designed to contain explosions and throw metal in a controlled direction.

And you are right, I should have made it clear what kind of shotgun I was talking about, that is a mossberg 500/Remington 870 pump/automatic Beneli variety. Not your grandpa's break open.



Now let me make it clear, a modern assault rifle is superior to the Garand in versatility and general engagements a prepped might find himef in. So if I get negative karma for spreading wrong information I'm going to be pissed. 

[Grudgie]

Thanks for highlighting the bit where I explained I wasn't talking about break open shotguns.

[Reaver]

Thanks for highlighting the part where I explained I wasn't talking about break open shotguns.

 [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

been 12 hours night shift.
My sincere apologies.

[Grudgie]

I think we just had a communication breakdown.

[Reaver]

My end bro.

12 hour shift. Night, long drive. Almost got jacked.

It's been a rough one man. 

[tominphx]

If I was getting an AK now, I'd go 7.62. I have 2 5.45 AKs, and dozens of mags, I got them when they where cheap, I wouldn't pay $30+ each now,  but the ammo is going up and 7.62 is going down, right around 18 cents a round before shipping. AK47 mags are still crazy cheap and of course drums are always an option as well, with 5.45 if you want more ammo, you either need a longer 45 round mag, pay 5 figures for a quad stack if you can ever find one, or get a custom drum for $300. AK47 drums are everywhere and relatively cheap.

They both feel about the same, recoil wise to me too, and I wouldn't be shooting someone out to any distance where it would matter in regards to bullet drop.

I am glad I went with 74s, and especially glad I stocked up on mags and ammo when they where at their cheapest.

Also, is it me, or have AK prices doubled since I bought mine? Even cheap romanians are like $600+?!

[EJR914]

AK prices have gone up just like everything.  Supply and Demand is a big part of it, especially in our neck of the woods.

There are NO AK's on the shelves or at gun shows, and they are quickly bought up if a good price.

I'd love to find out how to start manufacturing AK74 Mags, seems like it might help get the price down if you can come out with one reliable and less expensive.

[technique]

I'd love to find out how to start manufacturing AK74 Mags, seems like it might help get the price down if you can come out with one reliable and less expensive.

Find an injection molding business near you. Dies are gonna cost you some upfront $$$ but the mags themselves, maybe not.
I'd imagine you might want to have metal inserts withing the molding, or, around the feed lips like on a Lancer AR mag.

[RS762]

I'll be damned, tapco is making AK-74 mags for $14 a piece.
I just found this out lol.

Granted i seriously doubt they are steel lined.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-046