Unchained Preppers
General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: backwoodsboy on October 22, 2012, 09:16:50 PM
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Whats the pros and cons of both, witch is more practical for SHTF. Im wondering if the 74s controlability is better than the 47s power to punch thru barriers?
Whats yalls opinion on this?
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The "Which gun is better" debate has been beat to death and resurrected more times than a noob playing Call of Duty...
Think about your area, forget about online for this because you are considering SHTF which means you would probably have no net. Which is easier to get a hold of locally, and which is easier to stockpile? How easily can you get spare parts locally? How popular is each firearm in your area? Could you easily swap mags/parts with others who might join your "group"? What is most popular with the local "authorities"?
Just some questions to ask. As to which caliber is better, they all have pros and cons. Learn the difference, apply the knowledge of what your area is like and go from there.
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The "Which gun is better" debate has been beat to death and resurrected more times than a noob playing Call of Duty...
Think about your area, forget about online for this because you are considering SHTF which means you would probably have no net. Which is easier to get a hold of locally, and which is easier to stockpile? How easily can you get spare parts locally? How popular is each firearm in your area? Could you easily swap mags/parts with others who might join your "group"? What is most popular with the local "authorities"?
Just some questions to ask. As to which caliber is better, they all have pros and cons. Learn the difference, apply the knowledge of what your area is like and go from there.
Thanks for the response, now that i think of it i can buy 7.62x39 at walmart or academy. and i dont know anyone with a 74.
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Survivability- AK74
Reason being is ammo and parts are cheap. With a few thousand bucks you can get set up with two 74's and like 5K rounds.
But, if I had the money to get the same in a 47 I totally would. Mainly because of bullet size, weight, and stopping power.
My opinion take it how you want it.
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@BWB
I was close to going all in on 5.45... But then I started pricing magazines. Until some manufacturer starts producing some grade A metal mags for a reasonable price I'm staying away from 5.45.
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^^^
precisely
5.45 is a money trap.
Sure ammo is cheap but mags will cost you out the ass, if you can even find them. NO ONE in my area owns a 74... they are pretty much unheard of out here, it's strange. Locally ammo is pricey when you can find it.
Plus 7.62x39 is super-mega-ultra-badass at barrier penetration. :)) [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
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Yeh, AK74 mags must be made out of gold or something. Insane pricing.
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74 mag prices blow and the ammo is like 3 bucks a box more than 5.56
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Three words: AR15
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Three words: AR15
I tend to agree with you, it is what is "native" to our country so the parts/ammo/mags/etc. will be more available and likely more of what you will run into. And you can build a decent AR for less than 700.
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Three words: AR15
And you can build a decent AR for less than 700.
So?
You can build a decent AK, buy a 640rd spam can, and buy 10 mags for 700.
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AK-47 IS native to our country now. Not so much the 74. Don't get me wrong, his platform shoots flat and is insanely accurate for an AK, but I have the 47. I saw an internet video that demonstrated the "poison bullet" of the ak-74. This dude in the middle east was shooting from behind a palm tree - only his arm exposed. The shooter had an AK-74 and shot him in the arm, and he dropped dead! The bullet prolly came out of his ass or something. But I prefer the old-skool punch thru barriers AK-47, even if I have to sacrifice quick follow-up shots. My AO has trees, rolling hills, etc. The 47 just "fits better."
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Here's a brilliant fucking idea...
How about, instead of asking all of the assholes on here which rifle they would rather stick between their legs:
1. Man the Fuck Up
2. Do your own research (again on a topic that has been fucking beat to death all over the internet)
3. Make up your own mind
Be happy with whatever YOU decide to buy because in the end it is YOUR money and YOUR rifle. If you listen to every swinging dick with an opinion on the subject you will just end up regretting your decision one way or another.
Thank you and good night... fucking assholes ;D
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Three words: AR15
And you can build a decent AR for less than 700.
So?
You can build a decent AK, buy a 640rd spam can, and buy 10 mags for 700.
You can buy an m1 Garand, 2 spam cans of .30-06, and an American flag for $700. Just saying.
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Why not get an AK that shoots 5.56/.223 and uses AR Mags? >:D
*Drops Micophone, steps away, and brushes his shoulder off*
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Wait...grudgie what?
I can't find an M1 garand under $700 anywhere, much less an M1 plus spam cans for that price.
Other than CMP of course.
And I heard CMP won't sell to you without association to some kind of shooting club.
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Dudes no offense. And don't say I am un-American or what ever cause F you I'm not.
The M1 Garand had it's day. It has ALMOST no place in a prepper world in today's day and age.
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Dudes no offense. And don't say I am un-American or what ever cause F you I'm not.
The M1 Garand had it's day. It has ALMOST no place in a prepper world in today's day and age.
kinda like the m14 and fal
:o
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Dudes no offense. And don't say I am un-American or what ever cause F you I'm not.
The M1 Garand had it's day. It has ALMOST no place in a prepper world in today's day and age.
kinda like the m14 and fal
:o
Shut your face! M14's and FAL's Both still have a place. They are decent capacity and they don't PING every eight rounds.
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The M14 (M1A) and FAL are still VERY relevant. If my AK caught a bullet and didn't function and I picked up an FAL or M1A I would count myself as very fortunate. [url=http://www.freesmileys.or
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Dudes no offense. And don't say I am un-American or what ever cause F you I'm not.
The M1 Garand had it's day. It has ALMOST no place in a prepper world in today's day and age.
kinda like the m14 and fal
:o
doubtful. :-\
Both are fed by high-capacity detachable box magazines.
The M-14 and FAL are far more comparable to the AK and AR than the M1 garand.
(reply to your silly retort outlining the mechanical similarities of the M1 and M14).
The M-14 was an attempt to turn the M1 garand into something it isn't, a modern "assault" rifle.
if you were squaring off against guys with mosins mausers and enfields then the Garand is a great choice, however today the garand is not so impressive. Against AK's and AR's you want AT LEAST another AK or AR.
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Don't you already have an AK47? [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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the battle rifle itself is outdated and quite a poor choice in today's world
move fast move light and overwhelm
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I'm gonna rock out with my Glock out. Slow burns favor pistols as much as I hate to admit that.
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I'm gonna rock out with my Glock out. Slow burns favor pistols as much as I hate to admit that.
[URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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No sir, a thumbs up to you. You've offered the best advice the thread contains. Thanks!
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I used to think the Garand was a rediculious choice too.. Until I owned one.
First of all, and I know I'm going to get some eye rolls here, there was a new show on the military channel a while back that pitted the Garand and an AK against each other in some little lame timed competition. And while the Ak finished the event first, I still think the Garand 'won'. I'm at work but when I get home I will try and find the clip.
The Garand in my opinion has a faster reload time than the Ak. Granted I have never reloaded an Ak, but there are less steps in reloading a Garand. You literally take the clip from your pocket and jam it in the rifle and it is loaded. The pinging noise is a non issue for combat but I can see where it would be a problem in a home defense shoot out.
I've heard people call the Garand heavy and cumbersome and while it is compared to a carbine, it really isn't that bad. You'd be surprised at how light, short, and stocky it is. It doesn't feel unwieldy like a long skinny Nagant. My Garand is a good 6-5 inches shorter than my Nagant and has a better balance and center of gravity. Pretty much, it is easy to control.
Nutnfancy has some great videos on tactical Garand training. Nutnfancy had pretty much the same revelation that I did in that he saw the Garand as an outdated cumbersome relic that had its place in combat. And then he actually used one And found otherwise.
If you think the Garand is an inferior weapon compared to modern assault rifles, I strongly recommend to look into Garands.
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One more thing about the Garand.
With .30-06, penetration is a non issue. If you we're going up against some Commies with plates on, .30-06 shoots them dead.
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[sarcasm] I don't know about the rest of y'all... but I'm so looking forward to dragging a Garand through the apocalypse. [/sarcasm]
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lol, [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Ok grudgie.
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Dude that reload had better be like LIGHTNING!
With 8 rounds you are going to reload 4 times to get to 30 rounds. 4 times dude and if you fuck up one of those reloads you are going to wish you didn't own that thumb.
Yeah, yeah yeah 30-06 penetration yeah, yeah yeah.
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sorry grudgie but your just wrong
ar15, ak47 will run circles around the garand every day of the week
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Dude that reload had better be like LIGHTNING!
With 8 rounds you are going to reload 4 times to get to 30 rounds. 4 times dude and if you fuck up one of those reloads you are going to wish you didn't own that thumb.
Yeah, yeah yeah 30-06 penetration yeah, yeah yeah.
Chuckle. Yeah man. I forgot about that thumb nail that I lost half of in my M1A
There's that to worry about oh, and I don't really think tossing an empty " Clip " on the ground is going to work for Mo'fo's with Semi automatic weapons.
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this isn't wwii
nobody out there is trained to listen for the ping of a garand [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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this isn't wwii
nobody out there is trained to listen for the ping of a garand [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Oh, yeah.... hey thanks Rdneck. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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Are you kidding? That is all I am training for these days!
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Are you kidding? That is all I am training for these days!
:o * Wipes sweat off brow *
That was close, for a second there I thought I was the only one.
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I also pack a Schneider et Cie 75mm incase I run into any snakes ;)
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So are we going to put this to bed by mentioning that there is only one DOMESTIC manufacturer of 5.45 and 7.62?
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So are we going to put this to bed by mentioning that there is only one DOMESTIC manufacturer of 5.45 and 7.62?
Shut your face you! Importing will always happen. Someone has to feed the gorillas of the former united states of America
China will be doing air drops to every state all day every day.
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this isn't wwii
nobody out there is trained to listen for the ping of a garand [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Agreed, I'd like to meet the fellow that will listen for that ping amongst the crack and boom of incoming.
Dude that reload had better be like LIGHTNING!
With 8 rounds you are going to reload 4 times to get to 30 rounds. 4 times dude and if you fuck up one of those reloads you are going to wish you didn't own that thumb.
Yeah, yeah yeah 30-06 penetration yeah, yeah yeah.
Pick your engagements (think distance) use the capabilities of the weapon (sight advantage) avoid "suppressive fire"
(first good hit wins not the first 15 close) and understand close combat is not the Garands strength (but it will stitch thru an average building or vehicle nicely).
the battle rifle itself is outdated and quite a poor choice in today's world
move fast move light and overwhelm
Maybe, big maybe, but consider it may be the most common civilian substitute for a medium machine gun for ambushes (obviously not the Garand and it's limited on board ammo).
Dudes no offense. And don't say I am un-American or what ever cause F you I'm not.
The M1 Garand had it's day. It has ALMOST no place in a prepper world in today's day and age.
Dude? if tshtf I don't want an x-box commando "prepper" with the shakes from mountain dew withdrawal pointing an antique Remington falling block in a blackpowder cartridge at me let alone that classic beautiful nasty battle proven in ice, snow, mud, dust, humidity... oh wait you bad mouthed the Ithaca 37 in another thread, f you you un-American pos >:D
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Federal Winchester and Hornady all make 7.62x39.
Only hornady makes 5.45
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colombo you fail to realize that you cant always be on the offensive fighting the way you want, where you want, at the distance you want
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Alright alright, I'm not going to try and change anyone's mind here. But I will give credit where credit is due. The Garand is a fine rifle and would do just fine agianst modern assualt rifles. The Garand definateley isn't better than an M16 or AK in modern style combats but it isn't the wrinkly old battle axe people claim it is either. When Patton said it was the greatest battle impleme
nt ever devised, I don't think he was refering all to the +3 capacity over Mausers and the ability to shoot without pulling the bolt back. I think he was also refering to the better ergonomics and handability aswell. Remember Patton was a gun man himself. If anyone ever gets the chance to use an M1 do it. You just have to feel it to know.. the spirit of America.. mmm
Just check out this bit about the Garand vs. AK47. skip to 7:40. The show isn't half bad as far as some mainstream gun shows go. This episode is a little biased because it is all about the AK47, but there is another episode dedicated to the Garand which is another good episode.
AK-47 Assault Rifle [Triggers] 1/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8kAzJF_lNY#ws)
And here is a great hour long Nutnfancy video all about the Garand. Good stuff:
"M1 Garand: Battlefield Warrior" Pt 1 by Nutnfancy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gch8OZcKp0k#ws)
And RS7, you were right about the cost of Garands. I might of been lucky in finding mine and 120 rounds of .30-06 from a private seller for $595. CMP is really the only other way of getting them at that price. You might get lucky and find some second hand ones that are trickling out of South Korea to the CMP now days.
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Remington also used to make 7.62x39 umc the old yellow boxes. but if we are arguing about the better outdated rifle I would like to throw the sks in the race. Higher mag cap modern round and cheaper on all counts. If its stripper fed sks for the win Bob.
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colombo you fail to realize that you cant always be on the offensive fighting the way you want, where you want, at the distance you want
Your absolutely right.
That's why I intend to cheat, deceive, feed false info, lie, steal, burn, blow up, engage in unsavory propaganda, and in any other way I can conceive of be a low dirty bastard to anyone on the other side :)
The tools and methods vary for the jobs but come first and there will undoubtedly be some e&e or just plain inconvenient meetings that call for use of the immediate action drills, not looking forward to those as I'd rather fuck up some other poor bastards IA concepts.
I do realize those circumstances will occur, I'm not going to be happy about it, my reaction may be disturbing...
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Alright alright, I'm not going to try and change anyone's mind here. But I will give credit where credit is due. The Garand is a fine rifle and would do just fine agianst modern assualt rifles.
everyone is entitled to their own opinions, yours is just wrong
colombo you fail to realize that you cant always be on the offensive fighting the way you want, where you want, at the distance you want
Your absolutely right.
That's why I intend to cheat, deceive, feed false info, lie, steal, burn, blow up, engage in unsavory propaganda, and in any other way I can conceive of be a low dirty bastard to anyone on the other side :)
The tools and methods vary for the jobs but come first and there will undoubtedly be some e&e or just plain inconvenient meetings that call for use of the immediate action drills, not looking forward to those as I'd rather fuck up some other poor bastards IA concepts.
I do realize those circumstances will occur, I'm not going to be happy about it, my reaction may be disturbing...
if you mean disturbing as in you are suppressed out flanked then killed i'd have to agree
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amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics
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one thing i can agree on is, When clint is rocking the garand it IS a badass weapon. lol
Gran Torino - Get Off My Lawn _HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelBNtNm8l0#ws)
GET OFF MY LAWN
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too bad he didnt really have enough rounds to take em all out [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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Let's put it this way. You folks are preppers. Preppers talk shotguns. Preppers tend to think shotguns have their place in a prepper's arsenal. There are plenty of prepping youtube videos and articles on shotguns, and Mr.Lockandload and possibly the HossUSMC train regularly with them. However alot of these people wave off the Grarand like it's nothing. I distinctly remember Mr.Lockandload commenting negatively on the Garand.
..So lets compare the Garand with a shotgun.
Both the Garand and the modern combat rigged shotgun have a similar magazine capacity. The Garand being 8 and a shotgun 7-9. The Garand and a standard shotgun have similar weight and length. This is where they are similar.
A big shotgun advantage is the ability to load a depleted magazine. You can fire 2 rounds and load 2 rounds, and top it off with one in the chamber. The Garand can not be topped off and your 8 rounds must either be shot or replaced with a fresh clip. Another shotgun advantage is the ability to spread the shot. The shotgun can hit moving targets like birds and fleeing burgalars across the yard in low light.
The Garand however, can be loaded much faster than a standard tube fed shotgun which must be fed individual shells. With a Garand you simply take the clip and shove it in the reciver and then let go. Gun is ready. Another Garand advantage is obviously range. When buckshot has hit the dirt, the .30-06 will be laughing all the way to 800+ yards. Also the .30-06 has greater penetration than buckshot, but I'm not sure on slugs. However at longer ranges the Garand pulls ahead. You can also make the case that alot of shotguns are pump actions which would agian give the semi auto Garand the edge.
Well there you have it. I compared the Garand not with an AK or AR but with something that preppers can understand. Something that preppers generally approve of. When you get down to it, the Garand just isn't the utter shit weapon people seem to think it is.
everyone is entitled to their own opinions, yours is just wrong
Seriously? You like to imagine I am wrong as if I had said the Garand is better than an assualt rifle. I never did. But if you say I am wrong in that the Garand is NOT vastly inferior to modern weapons, well then to that I say
(http://freakoutnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Orly1.jpg?5f37dd)
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In this debate, it all really comes down to a consistent supply of ammunition. If your out of ammo, the Garand would make a better club, and with a bayonet attached, a nice, big pointy stick to get your point across.
:))
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[img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Compare a Garand to a shotgun. Come on dude.
Similar weight and length. I don't know about you but my shotgun (Was) 30" and (weighed) about 5 pounds. Last Time I checked a Garand is a lot heavier than 5 pounds and is a lot longer than 30"
What a dumb comparison dude. Don't get me wrong man, from what I've read on some of your post your pretty intelligent and you don't seem to be an asshole, but this whole M1 thing has to stop. It's a bad idea unless properly used and using it all the time isn't the right thing.
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I repeat, get you an AK that shoots 5.56/.223 and AR Mags, I repeat.
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[img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Compare a Garand to a shotgun. Come on dude.
Similar weight and length. I don't know about you but my shotgun (Was) 30" and (weighed) about 5 pounds. Last Time I checked a Garand is a lot heavier than 5 pounds and is a lot longer than 30"
What a dumb comparison dude. Don't get me wrong man, from what I've read on some of your post your pretty intelligent and you don't seem to be an asshole, but this whole M1 thing has to stop. It's a bad idea unless properly used and using it all the time isn't the right thing.
You are missing the point of the comparison. And they are very comparable by the way. They are both long steel pipes designed to contain explosions and throw metal in a controlled direction.
And you are right, I should have made it clear what kind of shotgun I was talking about, that is a mossberg 500/Remington 870 pump/automatic Beneli variety. Not your grandpa's break open.
Now let me make it clear, a modern assault rifle is superior to the Garand in versatility and general engagements a prepped might find himef in. So if I get negative karma for spreading wrong information I'm going to be pissed.
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[img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at i give up on you, keep lying to yourself
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I repeat, get you an AK that shoots 5.56/.223 and AR Mags, I repeat.
Is there such an animal? An AK that uses AR mags?
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I repeat, get you an AK that shoots 5.56/.223 and AR Mags, I repeat.
Is there such an animal? An AK that uses AR mags?
Yes.
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I repeat, get you an AK that shoots 5.56/.223 and AR Mags, I repeat.
Is there such an animal? An AK that uses AR mags?
I can build you one when do you want it?
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[URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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Don't take on too many new projects. You still have work to do. :P
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Ill throw my hat in the ring because i never pass up the chance to puke out my opinion.
Garand VS. Shotgun at 60 yards or less = Dead Garand operater
Garand VS. Shotgun beyond 60 yards = Dead shotgun operater
Garand VS. AR/AK at any range = Dead Garand operater
AR/AK VS. Shotgun at 35 yards or less = Dead everybody (although in my experience the first round on target usually goes to the shotgun due to open sighting system and large pattern allowing for a less then ideal sight picture.)
not saying my list is always right of course but id say thats the way the odds lean.
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AR/AK VS. Shotgun at 35 yards or less = Dead everybody (although in my experience the first round on target usually goes to the shotgun due to open sighting system and large pattern allowing for a less then ideal sight picture.)
LIES. I am taking out of context your vague claim that the shotgun has any sort of advantage over an AR/AK! You are a hatefull heretic who must be burned!
*glances at karma*
Son of a bich!
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granddads shotgun?
Chuckle. Actually I was speaking in reference to an FN Police
Good call Pingster.
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Good. I wan't talking about any grandad's shotgun either. Good to go. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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Good. I wan't talking about any grandad's shotgun either. Good to go.
([url]http://www.smileyvault.co[/url]
[/quote)You are missing the point of the comparison. And they are very comparable by the way. They are both long steel pipes designed to contain explosions and throw metal in a controlled direction.
And you are right, I should have made it clear what kind of shotgun I was talking about, that is a mossberg 500/Remington 870 pump/automatic Beneli variety. Not your grandpa's break open.
Now let me make it clear, a modern assault rifle is superior to the Garand in versatility and general engagements a prepped might find himef in. So if I get negative karma for spreading wrong information I'm going to be pissed.
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Thanks for highlighting the bit where I explained I wasn't talking about break open shotguns.
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Thanks for highlighting the part where I explained I wasn't talking about break open shotguns.
[img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
been 12 hours night shift.
My sincere apologies.
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I think we just had a communication breakdown.
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My end bro.
12 hour shift. Night, long drive. Almost got jacked.
It's been a rough one man. :-\
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If I was getting an AK now, I'd go 7.62. I have 2 5.45 AKs, and dozens of mags, I got them when they where cheap, I wouldn't pay $30+ each now, but the ammo is going up and 7.62 is going down, right around 18 cents a round before shipping. AK47 mags are still crazy cheap and of course drums are always an option as well, with 5.45 if you want more ammo, you either need a longer 45 round mag, pay 5 figures for a quad stack if you can ever find one, or get a custom drum for $300. AK47 drums are everywhere and relatively cheap.
They both feel about the same, recoil wise to me too, and I wouldn't be shooting someone out to any distance where it would matter in regards to bullet drop.
I am glad I went with 74s, and especially glad I stocked up on mags and ammo when they where at their cheapest.
Also, is it me, or have AK prices doubled since I bought mine? Even cheap romanians are like $600+?!
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AK prices have gone up just like everything. Supply and Demand is a big part of it, especially in our neck of the woods.
There are NO AK's on the shelves or at gun shows, and they are quickly bought up if a good price.
I'd love to find out how to start manufacturing AK74 Mags, seems like it might help get the price down if you can come out with one reliable and less expensive.
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I'd love to find out how to start manufacturing AK74 Mags, seems like it might help get the price down if you can come out with one reliable and less expensive.
Find an injection molding business near you. Dies are gonna cost you some upfront $$$ but the mags themselves, maybe not.
I'd imagine you might want to have metal inserts withing the molding, or, around the feed lips like on a Lancer AR mag.
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I'll be damned, tapco is making AK-74 mags for $14 a piece.
I just found this out lol.
Granted i seriously doubt they are steel lined.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-046 (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-046)
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I'd love to find out how to start manufacturing AK74 Mags, seems like it might help get the price down if you can come out with one reliable and less expensive.
Find an injection molding business near you. Dies are gonna cost you some upfront $$$ but the mags themselves, maybe not.
I'd imagine you might want to have metal inserts withing the molding, or, around the feed lips like on a Lancer AR mag.
Thanks, Tech, you're a good man.
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I'll be damned, tapco is making AK-74 mags for $14 a piece.
I just found this out lol.
Granted i seriously doubt they are steel lined.
[url]http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-046[/url] ([url]http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-046[/url])
Eh, tapco...
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I'll be damned, tapco is making AK-74 mags for $14 a piece.
I just found this out lol.
Granted i seriously doubt they are steel lined.
Hold up one minute there tiger. If that is an all poly mag then we know that it's not up to snuff. Poly locking lugs are a no go.
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I'll be damned, tapco is making AK-74 mags for $14 a piece.
I just found this out lol.
Granted i seriously doubt they are steel lined.
Hold up one minute there tiger. If that is an all poly mag then we know that it's not up to snuff. Poly locking lugs are a no go.
duh.
I only own steel mags, dont have a 74.