AK 47 VS AK 74

[Outonowhere]

I'm gonna rock out with my Glock out. Slow burns favor pistols as much as I hate to admit that.

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[thatGuy]

No sir, a thumbs up to you. You've offered the best advice the thread contains. Thanks!

[Grudgie]

I used to think the Garand was a rediculious choice too.. Until I owned one.

First of all, and I know I'm going to get some eye rolls here, there was a new show on the military channel a while back that pitted the Garand and an AK against each other in some little lame timed competition. And while the Ak finished the event first, I still think the Garand 'won'. I'm at work but when I get home I will try and find the clip.

The Garand in my opinion has a faster reload time than the Ak. Granted I have never reloaded an Ak, but there are less steps in reloading a Garand. You literally take the clip from your pocket and jam it in the rifle and it is loaded. The pinging noise is a non issue for combat but I can see where it would be a problem in a home defense shoot out.

I've heard people call the Garand heavy and cumbersome and while it is compared to a carbine, it really isn't that bad. You'd be surprised at how light, short, and stocky it is. It doesn't feel unwieldy like a long skinny Nagant. My Garand is a good 6-5 inches shorter than my Nagant and has a better balance and center of gravity. Pretty much, it is easy to control.

Nutnfancy has some great videos on tactical Garand training. Nutnfancy had pretty much the same revelation that I did in that he saw the Garand as an outdated cumbersome relic that had its place in combat. And then he actually used one And found otherwise.

If you think the Garand is an inferior weapon compared to modern assault rifles, I strongly recommend to look into Garands.

[Grudgie]

One more thing about the Garand.

With .30-06, penetration is a non issue. If you we're going up against some Commies with plates on, .30-06 shoots them dead.

[special-k]

[sarcasm] I don't know about the rest of y'all... but I'm so looking forward to dragging a Garand through the apocalypse. [/sarcasm]

[Reaver]

lol,  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

 Ok grudgie.

[thatGuy]

Dude that reload had better be like LIGHTNING!

With 8 rounds you are going to reload 4 times to get to 30 rounds. 4 times dude and if you fuck up one of those reloads you are going to wish you didn't own that thumb.

Yeah, yeah yeah 30-06 penetration yeah, yeah yeah.

[mountainredneck2051]

sorry grudgie but your just wrong

ar15, ak47 will run circles around the garand every day of the week

[Reaver]

Dude that reload had better be like LIGHTNING!

With 8 rounds you are going to reload 4 times to get to 30 rounds. 4 times dude and if you fuck up one of those reloads you are going to wish you didn't own that thumb.

Yeah, yeah yeah 30-06 penetration yeah, yeah yeah.

Chuckle. Yeah man. I forgot about that thumb nail that I lost half of in my M1A
There's that to worry about oh, and I don't really think tossing an empty " Clip " on the ground is going to work for Mo'fo's with Semi automatic weapons.

[mountainredneck2051]

this isn't wwii
nobody out there is trained to listen for the ping of a garand   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

[Reaver]

this isn't wwii
nobody out there is trained to listen for the ping of a garand   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

Oh, yeah.... hey thanks Rdneck.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

[thatGuy]

Are you kidding? That is all I am training for these days!

[Reaver]

Are you kidding? That is all I am training for these days!

  * Wipes sweat off brow *

That was close, for a second there I thought I was the only one.

[thatGuy]

I also pack a Schneider et Cie 75mm incase I run into any snakes

[thatGuy]

So are we going to put this to bed by mentioning that there is only one DOMESTIC manufacturer of 5.45 and 7.62?

[Reaver]

So are we going to put this to bed by mentioning that there is only one DOMESTIC manufacturer of 5.45 and 7.62?

Shut your face you! Importing will always happen. Someone has to feed the gorillas of the former united states of America

China will be doing air drops to every state all day every day.

[Colombo]

this isn't wwii
nobody out there is trained to listen for the ping of a garand   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

Agreed, I'd like to meet the fellow that will listen for that ping amongst the crack and boom of incoming.

Dude that reload had better be like LIGHTNING!

With 8 rounds you are going to reload 4 times to get to 30 rounds. 4 times dude and if you fuck up one of those reloads you are going to wish you didn't own that thumb.

Yeah, yeah yeah 30-06 penetration yeah, yeah yeah.

Pick your engagements (think distance) use the capabilities of the weapon (sight advantage) avoid "suppressive fire"
(first good hit wins not the first 15 close) and understand close combat is not the Garands strength (but it will stitch thru an average building or vehicle nicely).

the battle rifle itself is outdated and quite  a poor choice in today's world
move fast move light and overwhelm

Maybe, big maybe, but consider it may be the most common civilian substitute for a medium machine gun for ambushes (obviously not the Garand and it's limited on board ammo).

Dudes no offense. And don't say I am un-American or what ever cause F you I'm not.

The M1 Garand had it's day. It has ALMOST no place in a prepper world in today's day and age.

Dude?   if tshtf I don't want an x-box commando "prepper" with the shakes from mountain dew withdrawal pointing an antique Remington falling block in a blackpowder cartridge at me let alone that classic beautiful nasty battle proven in ice, snow, mud, dust, humidity...     oh wait you bad mouthed the Ithaca 37 in another thread,  f you you un-American pos

[RS762]

Federal Winchester and Hornady all make 7.62x39.
Only hornady makes 5.45

[mountainredneck2051]

colombo you fail to realize that you cant always be on the offensive fighting the way you want, where you want, at the distance you want

[Grudgie]

Alright alright, I'm not going to try and change anyone's mind here. But I will give credit where credit is due. The Garand is a fine rifle and would do just fine agianst modern assualt rifles. The Garand definateley isn't better than an M16 or AK in modern style combats but it isn't the wrinkly old battle axe people claim it is either. When Patton said it was the greatest battle impleme
nt ever devised, I don't think he was refering all to the +3 capacity over Mausers and the ability to shoot without pulling the bolt back. I think he was also refering to the better ergonomics and handability aswell. Remember Patton was a gun man himself. If anyone ever gets the chance to use an M1 do it. You just have to feel it to know.. the spirit of America.. mmm

Just check out this bit about the Garand vs. AK47. skip to 7:40. The show isn't half bad as far as some mainstream gun shows go.  This episode is a little biased because it is all about the AK47, but there is another episode dedicated to the Garand which is another good episode.

AK-47 Assault Rifle [Triggers] 1/3

And here is a great hour long Nutnfancy video all about the Garand. Good stuff:

"M1 Garand: Battlefield Warrior" Pt 1 by Nutnfancy

And RS7, you were right about the cost of Garands. I might of been lucky in finding mine and 120 rounds of .30-06 from a private seller for $595. CMP is really the only other way of getting them at that price. You might get lucky and find some second hand ones that are trickling out of South Korea to the CMP now days.

[gapatriot]

Remington also used to make 7.62x39 umc the old yellow boxes. but if we are arguing about the better outdated rifle I would like to throw the sks in the race. Higher mag cap modern round and cheaper on all counts. If its stripper fed sks for the win Bob.

[Colombo]

colombo you fail to realize that you cant always be on the offensive fighting the way you want, where you want, at the distance you want

Your absolutely right.
That's why I intend to cheat, deceive, feed false info, lie, steal, burn, blow up, engage in unsavory propaganda, and in any other way I can conceive of be a low dirty bastard to anyone on the other side

The tools and methods vary for the jobs but come first and there will undoubtedly be some e&e or just plain inconvenient meetings that call for use of the immediate action drills, not looking forward to those as I'd rather fuck up some other poor bastards IA concepts. 

I do realize those circumstances will occur,    I'm not going to be happy about it,      my reaction may be disturbing...

[mountainredneck2051]

Alright alright, I'm not going to try and change anyone's mind here. But I will give credit where credit is due. The Garand is a fine rifle and would do just fine agianst modern assualt rifles.

everyone is entitled to their own opinions, yours is just wrong

colombo you fail to realize that you cant always be on the offensive fighting the way you want, where you want, at the distance you want

Your absolutely right.
That's why I intend to cheat, deceive, feed false info, lie, steal, burn, blow up, engage in unsavory propaganda, and in any other way I can conceive of be a low dirty bastard to anyone on the other side

The tools and methods vary for the jobs but come first and there will undoubtedly be some e&e or just plain inconvenient meetings that call for use of the immediate action drills, not looking forward to those as I'd rather fuck up some other poor bastards IA concepts. 

I do realize those circumstances will occur,    I'm not going to be happy about it,      my reaction may be disturbing...

if you mean disturbing as in you are suppressed out flanked then killed i'd have to agree

[mountainredneck2051]

amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics

[backwoodsboy]

one thing i can agree on is, When clint is rocking the garand it IS a badass weapon. lol

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