.45 Recommendations?

[CrystalHunter1989]

Going to be swapping out some of my lower quality 9mm guns and getting another .45. My only real experience with this cartridge is the 1911A1 and a time when a friend let me shoot his HK USP 45 full size. Recoil does not intimidate me one bit, but I am concerned with getting a "to hell and back" sidearm. The only real issue is my small hand size. The 1911A1 fits me like a glove, but I'm not an armorer. It's the opinion of highly-qualified men like Larry Vickers that an operator should be able to work on his weapon if he wants to use Browning's masterpiece. Not that I would be using a "custom" gun anyway...loose tolerances for me.

I'm looking hard at several options: the USP, SIG P220, Glock 21sf, etc.

Share whatever thoughts or experiences you have.

[Outonowhere]

Honestly, if I had the money I would get another Rock Island Armory 1911 but this time with real Tritium tactical sights in lieu of the crappy GI ones.  Never had a problem with mine and loved that gun but the price of the ammo was a it much lol.

Just whatever you do, avoid Kimber Customs... safe queens in my experience.

[CrystalHunter1989]

Honestly, if I had the money I would get another Rock Island Armory 1911 but this time with real Tritium tactical sights in lieu of the crappy GI ones.  Never had a problem with mine and loved that gun but the price of the ammo was a it much lol.

Just whatever you do, avoid Kimber Customs... safe queens in my experience.

Well that's one thing I don't want, a safe queen.

[sledge]

Honestly, if I had the money I would get another Rock Island Armory 1911 but this time with real Tritium tactical sights in lieu of the crappy GI ones.  Never had a problem with mine and loved that gun but the price of the ammo was a it much lol.

Just whatever you do, avoid Kimber Customs... safe queens in my experience.

Well that's one thing I don't want, a safe queen.

The safe queen remark reminded me of something that I read years ago.  The bottom line of it was that you had little to fear from a man with a pristine weapon.  But a man with a weapon showing signs of wear from much use was someone to take note of.  Of course that article was written in a different day and a different time.  I suppose the same would also be true of many women today.       

[mountainredneck2051]

glock 21, M&P45

those are the only 2 that count as "to hell and back" sidearms in 45

[hjmoosejaw]

I don't know, I'm a Sig man myself, so I would have to vote the Sig 220!

[Reaver]

Lol, all this talk of " Safe queens "

Wrote this article on Thehighroad I'll copy and paste.

This way you can have my .02 cents on this argument.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=688485

Alright so I got a pretty sweet deal on an almost new Stainless Kimber TLE II (LG) not ganna say how much as it doesn't matter and is irrelevant.
Anywho needless to say I got it fired it. Loved it carried it loved it blah Zack blah.

So anywho. I go to clean her and for the first time in my life I was stumped ....never has any firearm had me irritated enough to look online for disassembly. Normally I just tinker till I figure it out. It being a 1911 I though I knew it. WRONG! Little did I know I needed a tiny metal hook pin thing to take it apart. Me being a big SHTFer. I was kind of upset. So now I have to carry a set of pins around just so I can disassemble properly....lame kimber....lame.

Smooth shooter though. ;-)

Think about it with time & patience. Philosophy of use is important. If your just wanted a Bad ass Range gun. Or a Bad ass Carry gun. ( Something that you can take home and maintain ) Get a Kimber or a Colt. If your looking ( And  it seems you are ) for a " To hell and back " .45 get a HK MK23 ( hahaha Yeah, right ) or a Glock 21.

[hjmoosejaw]

Ya see, it's even on their t-shirts. That, and "When It Counts" are their motto's.

http://www.scpfirearms.com/item.php?i=75&cat=gear

[JohnyMac]

OONW wrote:
Just whatever you do, avoid Kimber Customs... safe queens in my experience.

My Kimber Eclipse Target II is my EDC. Yup it has a little wear however it is a great handgun.

I have NO Safe Queens! If it is a safe queen, its time to sell or trade the weapon.

RvR, I read your comments on the other forum concerning take down. Sorry to sound ignorant...What tool do you need for take down of the Kimber? I know mine came with this black key thing. I lost that in the first several minutes of opening the box. Instead I use a dime to depress the take down button.

[CrystalHunter1989]

Ya see, it's even on their t-shirts. That, and "When It Counts" are their motto's.

http://www.scpfirearms.com/item.php?i=75&cat=gear

Haha, merchandising!


Reaver: That's insane! I've never heard of a 1911 requiring tools for that kind of work.

[v0dka]

I changed my 1911's take down rod to the one in the video on the high road and i need no tools to take it apart.
A dime would make it easier to take apart but I got it down to not needing any tools.

[RS762]

I loved my Rock Island 1911.
A real shooter and it fed 100% every kind of trash ammo i could find to put in it, including steel case and that horrendous Israeli surplus.

How the hell is an M&P one of the only "real to hell and back firearms"?
ZERO service track record and spare parts still aren't nearly as available as a a 1911 or Glock.

My next pistol will be a .40 glock with a 9mm drop in.

[mountainredneck2051]

zero track record?
used by
DEA
over 276 police departments
wyoming highway patrol
colorado state patrol
and the iraqi army and police

btw it replaced the glock for all of those listed in the usa

and it will run longer and harder than anything out there, well it ties with glock

[Outonowhere]

zero track record?
used by
DEA
over 276 police departments
wyoming highway patrol
colorado state patrol
and the iraqi army and police

btw it replaced the glock for all of those listed in the usa

and it will run longer and harder than anything out there, well it ties with glock

OH HELL YEA!!! I gotta get me one of these now so I can be super high speed like these guys!



OH yea, used to carry and shoot one for my job...

Ill stick with my Glock.  [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m

[thatGuy]

[hate]

"It will run with a Glock because they stole the design from Glock"

[/hate]

[mountainredneck2051]

OH HELL YEA!!! I gotta get me one of these now so I can be super high speed like these guys!



OH yea, used to carry and shoot one for my job...

Ill stick with my Glock. 

yeah, you definitely wont accidentally shoot a round off in your house with a glock.........

[hjmoosejaw]

Hey CH1989, Do you see all this debating back and forth? Just go with the SIG 220, then you'll never have to wonder if  you made the right choice. Besides many law enforcement agencies   , DHS, US Air Marshals, Secret Service, US Navy Seals all use them. And I believe Texas Rangers. Sigs, not necessarily the 220. Mostly 229s and 226s. But the 220 is equally awesome. Okay, it's all settled. It will be the Sig 220. Next discussion.    LOL!

[Kentactic]

Get a glock 21. But when your getting use to the glock keep in mind it has a normal trigger. If your use to a light trigger on a 1911 then take some time to get use to a normal trigger pull before you swear off the gun. If you smash your thumb with a hammer you dont say the hammer sucks. The glocks a proven tool like a hammer. It works. Take that thinking with you to the range. If it feels crappy in your hands who cares. I never heard a Glock Rep. say that they designed the gun so that your hands will be comfy at the range.

[Kentactic]

Hey CH1989, Do you see all this debating back and forth? Just go with the SIG 220, then you'll never have to wonder if  you made the right choice. Besides many law enforcement agencies   , DHS, US Air Marshals, Secret Service, US Navy Seals all use them. And I believe Texas Rangers. Sigs, not necessarily the 220. Mostly 229s and 226s. But the 220 is equally awesome. Okay, it's all settled. It will be the Sig 220. Next discussion.    LOL!

I dont know what all DHS branches do and dont use a 220 but i know that the border patrol branch uses an HK P2000. I beleive the Air marshalls are trained in the same location as the Border patrol so i would imagine they also run the HK P2000. Cant say for sure though. But i wouldnt recommend that gun to anyone. With that said, who does and dosent use these various guns isnt much help in picking a gun since they use some funky crap.

[mountainredneck2051]

i agree ken using gov agencies as a way to validate your gun is fuckin gay
run 13,000 rounds without a malfunction of any kind then talk your shit on here

[hjmoosejaw]

zero track record?
used by
DEA
over 276 police departments
wyoming highway patrol
colorado state patrol
and the iraqi army and police

btw it replaced the glock for all of those listed in the usa

and it will run longer and harder than anything out there, well it ties with glock

Some credence CAN be given to choices made by whatever groups. Before they choose , and put out a hell of a lot of money, they do some testing. Hence, some RESULTS. I'm not narrow minded enough to think that only one or two guns are the ONLY ones. I can admit that Glocks are a hell of a gun. But on the same token, you could find a million people that say Sigs are a hell of a gun. I like Sigs, but I don't need to trash any other guns, unless they are truly trash. But then, I am not an expert like others.

By the way,

using gov agencies as a way to validate your gun is fuckin gay

, This tells me I won't be putting ANY credence into your opinions. Have a good day!

[Reaver]

A dime wont work on my plunger. Its one solid piece from what I can tell until you separate the spring from the rod.

As for sig. NA man I'm good. Unless its from the early 90s or mid 80s when they actually built quality and didn't let the name carry them.

[JohnyMac]

I think the correct spelling is, 'ghey' not gay.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ghey
 [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

On a separate note: I know one or two pistol-ero's who love their Sig P220's in .45 ACP's. Carry them as their main EDC.

The only semi-auto handgun that my wife likes is the Sig P220 in 9mm. She tried them all from the Lady Smith to a Walther PPK in .380. As mentioned in earlier posts she went with a wheel gun. The grips fit her hand and she liked the simplicity- Point and pull the trigger-Empty open cylinder drop in speed loader-close cylinder-point and pull the trigger.

Just saying...

[CrystalHunter1989]

Get a glock 21. But when your getting use to the glock keep in mind it has a normal trigger. If your use to a light trigger on a 1911 then take some time to get use to a normal trigger pull before you swear off the gun. If you smash your thumb with a hammer you dont say the hammer sucks. The glocks a proven tool like a hammer. It works. Take that thinking with you to the range. If it feels crappy in your hands who cares. I never heard a Glock Rep. say that they designed the gun so that your hands will be comfy at the range.

The only time I'll completely swear off a gun is if it's physically painful to shoot, and that's only happened once.

[special-k]

The only time I'll completely swear off a gun is if it's physically painful to shoot, and that's only happened once.

"Cobray" much?