Rant

[WhiteWolf]

I like the sound of "enjoy life" and "live free and do what you want." To be honest though, why the hell should I? I'll give a good example. I ain't bragging, but I ain't a half bad looking sob. My new job has a couple hotties and one approached me today to tell me about one of our vendors talking to her about threesomes and wanting her and another girl to go with him to the beach for the weekend. Now single, in a relationship or married I'd stand a hell of a lot better chance of getting that little scenario to work for me than the pudgy little bastard that was trying. Both girls have been flirting with me since day one as is. Point being, I look at the consequences. My wife would divorce my ass in a heart beat and I'd be paying out the ass for the next 11-15 years or so. Not to mention I'd look back kicking myself to the day I died, and I'd miss my son like crazy. Sure I could sleep around afterwards, but me being out of my wife and son's life would probably mess up a lot things for them too. And I haven't even tackled th afterlife ramifications. Anyone here ever read Paul's writings on the afterlife? If you ever want to scare yourself shitless be my guest.

Point being here is this life has consequences. You want to have fun? Go for it, but piss down wind from me, don't bitch to me when you're "freedoms" fail you, and don't ask me where you're going when you die if you want to live that way because I'll tell ya the harsh freaking truth. The so called "freedom" we have is nothing more than an old ass document written by a bunch of deist wanting to screw over the old world. The Constitution isn't going to vote for you, decide ethical or moral questions, or even pick up a gun to defend you. It's all about perception. It's exactly like JM said. If you've got a problem fix it or at least have a plan in action. And I hate to break it to some here, but prepping a.k.a. "survival" isn't a freaking plan. It's a last ditch effort to eat, sleep, and fornicate. I'm not advocating any radical action against anyone, but I'm really sick and fricking tired of hearing all the mall cop ninja black ops bullshit. When the hell are you guys going to start to talk about legitimate plans (like building a sound community, not just a safe one.) and things that matter? You all can post all frickin' day and night about small teams, field exercises, target shooting, designated marksman, and whatever tacticool nonsense you can think of or copy and paste. That's fine by me. Some of it's funny as hell, but I think it's pathetic and scary to see how much some of you have "prepped" and haven't taken one step forward in morally, ethically, spiritually, or religiously. There are VERY few members here who actually possess any leadership skills whatsoever. And fewer who would make good leaders. Sincerely, based on how some of you act and talk on here this is how I imagine you fairing in WROL 

The Walking Dead - Bar Scene

I'm sure I don't have to point out what I'm talking about. So yeah, boys, laugh it up, screw as many women as you can, and drink like there's no tomorrow because the Constitution is going to save you and there's no consequences in this life or the next for any actions you take.  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at Thing that really gets me is the ones who piss and moan about the religious stuff. In all do respect I know some struggle and that's fine, but you can only sit on the fence so long before you have to choose a side and it's not like no one in your lives tries to reach you. And don't whine about the "religion." Catholicism is a religion. The Bible is a book. Jesus was a man. God is the creator. No "religion" about it. You don't need a pastor to read it to you (assuming you can read). In many cases prepping, football, soccer, and even constitutionalism could be called a religion. None of those come close to what the Bible has though. You'll all spend all the money and time in the world preparing for economic collapse, zombies, elite PMC's, FEMA camps, WROL, or whatever the hell else, but you don't take the time to even consider prepping yourself spiritually. WTF is that??? Yet some of those same ones feel justified when they talk about Israel, Christians, or Zionist as though they're suddenly freaking experts. LMFAO!!!

You guys ever stop think that the rise in abortion, porn, homosexuality, idolatry, drug and alcohol abuse, sexual immorality, greed, lust, sloth, and lying have something to do with what's happened to the country and caused it to fall? Bigger question is how many of you actually look in the mirror and question yourself about these things? It's easy to sit there and point at the government, organizations, companies, and individuals like Soros. Ever think what you've done to contribute to the mess we're in? I have and I'll admit. I'll gladly sit here and confess every sin I've commited I can remember for the sake of humility in the presence of the rest of you. Bluntly for the betterment of yourselves. Though, ultimately, free will is a bitch. I'd bet 90% of you ignore every word I'm saying, think you're fine the way you are, and will just go on about your usual life because frankly it's fricking easier for you that way. The other 10% we already talk and I gladly consider you friends, some of you are even like brothers, but every one of you is in different stages of development. Some of the younger ones are farther along than the older ones. I'd implore you all to start questioning more and discussing things on here. Tackle tough subjects. Anyone care to ask how the illigetimacy rate and abortions in the country have effected us? Sure it's not "prepping," but it affects our nation on a daily basis. Key words here people "OUR NATION." Own it. I sincerely applaud those moving forward and seeking answers. You've earned respect and I pray you keep it up.
Rant done and done. It's 3 am and I've got a gun to pick up in the morning.

P.S. For the typical nahsayers. I appreciate any comments (PM's also  ) as always, but keep in mind I'm not encouraging one damn bad thing here. Asking people to pursue righteousness is GOOD thing (with or without the faith). If you possess some great knowledge to share to help further or obtain that by all means speak up oh wise ones. Oh, and don't forget to give me a negative karma on the way out because you all know I give a flying %^&$ 

[crudos]

Glad you figured us (the SP community) out and judged us (the SP community) all. Thanks.  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

Will post more later, but off to work now.

[EJR914]

You think that is what people mean when they say "enjoy life" and "live free?"   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

How in the hell do you get things so screwed up in your own head?

[special-k]

While I was reading WW's rant, I couldn't help but to be reminded of someone else......J.C. Webster!!!   For those of you not familiar, here's a little sample:

Hell Is Heating Up:JC:Coast to Coast AM

[Reaver]

Wow, that was... interesting.

I don't need spirituality, never have. Never will. Jesus is a joke. A man made bullshit fallacy to get people to do good.
( That's a good thing, but to the extent that it has gone is just stupid )

How can you build a better community without the basic skills? That is generally what we talk about here right?

How can anyone speak on building a better community when no one has had to do so.
Each person here has their own experience & that is what the site is for, to share that experience & teach others.

As for drinking & banging hoe's.... look man, do what you want. I know I wouldn't do it. I got to much going for me, a bad ass wife and a bad ass kid.
The only thing sexin hoes up would give me is a huge bill, zero love, & aids.
I'm not cool with that but I am cool with others doing it, you know why? Because at this point in time I care about Number 1 and Number 1's own.
Everyone else is just another gun or a learning tool.

[JohnyMac]

Bump:

Like Crudos wrote, I would like to comment later after I have digested what WW has written.

With that said, I will say WW showed some courage writting what he did. Whether you agree or disagree with his comments I think you have to give him a  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co for writting it.

Till lader ladies and please keep it civil. 

[sledge]

Well, I'm not sure where all of that came from.  WW it kinda sounds like you have some frustrations buddy.   

I agree with a lot of it.  Morals in our society have for sure gone down hill.  Viewing it over the years, not to mention taking part in it at times in my life, to me it looks like a concentrated effort.  Each time our morals have dropped, that has become our new norm until they drop again.  There's no doubt that it has caused some problems in our society which didn't exist in the past.  Could we learn from that if indeed we do ever have to rebuild society.  Possibly, but I wouldn't hold my breath until it happens.  As a society we don't seem too big on learning lessons.  If God wants to change that I have no doubt he will.

For my self, I'm not out to change anyone else.  Not what they do or what they think.  I've had a hard enough time coming to be the person I am without trying to change how other people think. (The exception is my family.  Because that's my job and I always do my job.)  I'll give my opinion sometimes, not all of the time, but whether other people agree with it or not is their own business.  I don't really care either way and I don't get worked up over it.

I mind my own business and require others to do the same where I'm concerned.  I believe in God (for a long time I didn't)  because I've seen him work things in my life that couldn't have happened if he didn't exist.  But I don't put words in his mouth, and I don't judge who's going to heaven or hell because that's not my job, it's his alone.  I'm not about to put myself in the position of doing his job because I don't have that capability. 

To my way of thinking, people can believe in God or not.  That's their business and between them and God.  If they don't believe in him it's only because he hasn't made himself known to them yet for whatever reason known only to himself.  He'll do what he'll do in his own time.  I don't question it or his motives.  But I do watch what he does next with great interest.  He's really pretty freaking amazing to watch. 

I do agree a point is coming where people will have to get off the fence and chose sides.  I also think he'll be the choosing who is going to be on his team in the upcoming battle against evil when it occurs.

I do say there is nothing wrong with enjoying life and being happy.  (I'm not talking about little moments of pleasure.)  I'm talking about being happy within yourself.  Even in hard times there is room for happiness.  Think of that as a gift.  I say from God, others can say from whomever they want.

Be happy.    

     

[EJR914]

Well, I'm not sure where all of that came from.  WW it kinda sounds like you have some frustrations buddy.   

I agree with a lot of it.  Morals in our society have for sure gone down hill.  Viewing it over the years, not to mention taking part in it at times in my life, to me it looks like a concentrated effort.  Each time our morals have dropped, that has become our new norm until they drop again.  There's no doubt that it has caused some problems in our society which didn't exist in the past.  Could we learn from that if indeed we do ever have to rebuild society.  Possibly, but I wouldn't hold my breath until it happens.  As a society we don't seem too big on learning lessons.  If God wants to change that I have no doubt he will.

For my self, I'm not out to change anyone else.  Not what they do or what they think.  I've had a hard enough time coming to be the person I am without trying to change how other people think. (The exception is my family.  Because that's my job and I always do my job.)  I'll give my opinion sometimes, not all of the time, but whether other people agree with it or not is their own business.  I don't really care either way and I don't get worked up over it.

I mind my own business and require others to do the same where I'm concerned.  I believe in God (for a long time I didn't)  because I've seen him work things in my life that couldn't have happened if he didn't exist.  But I don't put words in his mouth, and I don't judge who's going to heaven or hell because that's not my job, it's his alone.  I'm not about to put myself in the position of doing his job because I don't have that capability. 

To my way of thinking, people can believe in God or not.  That's their business and between them and God.  If they don't believe in him it's only because he hasn't made himself known to them yet for whatever reason known only to himself.  He'll do what he'll do in his own time.  I don't question it or his motives.  But I do watch what he does next with great interest.  He's really pretty freaking amazing to watch. 

I do agree a point is coming where people will have to get off the fence and chose sides.  I also think he'll be the choosing who is going to be on his team in the upcoming battle against evil when it occurs.

I do say there is nothing wrong with enjoying life and being happy.  (I'm not talking about little moments of pleasure.)  I'm talking about being happy within yourself.  Even in hard times there is room for happiness.  Think of that as a gift.  I say from God, others can say from whomever they want.

Be happy.    

   

 [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

[WhiteWolf]

Glad you figured us (the SP community) out and judged us (the SP community) all. Thanks.  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

Will post more later, but off to work now.

Ain't judging shit pal. Even said I'd a bare a little humility if needed. And Crudos, .........I wasn't exactly pointing my finger at any individual here and singling them out. Hope you have a good day at work and I look forward to your full response.

[WhiteWolf]

You think that is what people mean when they say "enjoy life" and "live free?"   [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

How in the hell do you get things so screwed up in your own head?

 [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at In some cases? Yes, but obviously not everyone EJR. I'm talking about people owning up to their shit and quitting this dogmatic prepping doctrine of guns, food, tactics, and survival. You leave out the morality side of this equation and what you have is nothing but a pack of wild dogs.

[sledge]

You think that is what people mean when they say "enjoy life" and "live free?" 

How in the hell do you get things so screwed up in your own head?

In some cases? Yes, but obviously not everyone EJR. I'm talking about people owning up to their shit and quitting this dogmatic prepping doctrine of guns, food, tactics, and survival. You leave out the morality side of this equation and what you have is nothing but a pack of wild dogs.

WW I think it's because each person's morality is an individual thing.  While the mechanics of prepping is common to all of us.  Most people have varying levels of morality based on their sense of right and wrong.  There are very few who do not.

To be sure there are "wild dogs" out there as there have always been.  But I don't agree with a generic statement that covers everyone.  Even at that, no one is all good or all bad.  We are all a mixture of both.   Everyone thinks they know best, but in truth no one actually does.

The "moral" of the story -  Do the best you can.  Sometimes it will be good enough, sometimes it won't.  Accept it and keep trying.   

[gapatriot]

Im going to say one thing about this whole reigion thing and I got it from AA. Religion is for people that dont want to go to hell, spirtuality is for people that have been to hell and dont want to go back. You talk about drug and alcohol abuse, I would rather have 1 recovering drunk or drug addict on my side than a church full of people. I know I can call anyone from AA or NA any time and they will be there to help me, I could call every person from the church my wife and I go to and maybe 1 person will help. The whole hypicritical judging holier than thou thing is b/s, I grew up in the church my grandfather is a pastor. As far as the prepping aspect of it, when it comes down im probably not going to help anyone. I people didnt have the forthought to prep when they had the chance then it is their fault not mine and I will not pay their way.

[WhiteWolf]

@JM-Look forward to the response man. I know I didn't pick the most popular topic to start, but this is called the "Mindset and Morality" thread.  lol

@ Sledge- Frustration? Ok, maybe a little, but not enough to affect my day. I ain't trying to judge anyone here or even really change them. If people have questions about what I know and study I do what I can to guide them in the right direction, but ultimately people change themselves and won't let shit be dictated to them. You know where this comes from? Seeing a bunch of half decent guys that see fair of the picture, but don't want to stare at the picture long enough to get the whole story. If there's something wrong with telling people they should be responsible, moral, practice self discipline, and have good ethics; well I'll leave the door unlocked and the lynch mob can take me. You know something I was never taught in church, but should have been. I read it, learned it, and put it in myself to follow "You are your brothers keeper." Kind of comes down to the whole prayer by faith or actions in faith debate. Which is greater? I think the answers pretty obvious. Does a prayer keep a starving man fed or give a cold man a blanket. How many here want to discuss taking care of widows, homeless, blind, elderly, or children when something big happens? Anyone want to tackle the starving? So ultimately Sledge, I'm just rattling that fence try to shake a few people off on to the right side before it's to late. Thanks for the comment.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

@Reaver- Couple quick things. I have no problem with people talking about basic skills, security, and half this shit. I take offense when people don't tackle their own morality and question things deeper. The whole 9/11 thing is a perfect example. How many people watched the video I posted? 1? Maybe 2? No, the rest are all content to come up with some conspiracy or accept the ones fed to them on the media. I still challenge people to go back to that because there's some serious implications there that make it next to impossible for people to say "God doesn't exist." And when it comes to everyone else being a "gun or a learning tool," well man you'd better hope those ones have the best of intentions and some great freaking morals because reality is there are a lot who'll shoot in the back and take what you got in a heart beat. Some just for $2. You ask how people can know and talk about rebuilding when they've never experienced it. Yet we all sit here talking about collapse, financial armageddon, and WWIII, but none of us have experienced it. Sad thing is when the day does come I think there are a fair amount of preppers out there that will have no idea how to cope, help, or even survive (I don't mean just physically). All their stacks of guns and ammo will come down to them only using one gun and one bullet. Either way buddy, if I didn't give a shit I'd just tell people they're going straight to hell. I shouldn't have to even say how much I care. By the way, you have yet to respond to my email. If you can't tackle it, straight, but it'd be nice to discuss with you eventually.

[sledge]

As far as the prepping aspect of it, when it comes down im probably not going to help anyone. I people didnt have the forthought to prep when they had the chance then it is their fault not mine and I will not pay their way.

I understand that sentiment.  If a collapse occurs it will be pretty difficult in the early days.  (First couple of months.)  I can't help everyone but I'll probably try to help those I can.  Teach them to snare or fish, things like that.  It all depends on how they present themselves and if their actions match their words.  Relationships are going to be crucial to long term survival in my opinion. 

[mountainredneck2051]

its not mine to judge, that's god's job

until then i will continue to smoke, chew and have a drink every now and then while i screw the single world
I'm still a good guy and I'd still be the first guy to lend a helping hand

although i do agree with the content of our site being mostly militant and not enough survival

 

ACDC Highway to Hell with lyrics

[EJR914]

WW I think it's because each person's morality is an individual thing.  While the mechanics of prepping is common to all of us.  Most people have varying levels of morality based on their sense of right and wrong.  There are very few who do not.

To be sure there are "wild dogs" out there as there have always been.  But I don't agree with a generic statement that covers everyone.  Even at that, no one is all good or all bad.  We are all a mixture of both.   Everyone thinks they know best, but in truth no one actually does.

The "moral" of the story -  Do the best you can.  Sometimes it will be good enough, sometimes it won't.  Accept it and keep trying.

Bingo, I couldn't have said it better myself.  I have a high moral standard that I hold all those that I know to, unfortunately, I am often let down, but I've learned to live with it.  Not that I don't go nuts when I find out someone I know has let me down, but I realize that I can only control my own life and morality, I cannot control anyone else's.  I still don't approve of some of the things that are done or talked about. 

I abhor adultery, and I mean abhor it. 

Enjoying life to me means taking time away from all the government watch, training and prepping and spend time with my wife and daughter just playing around, it means enjoying the little things, maybe going on walk in a beautiful park with my daughter, or just blowing through a bunch of ammo just because it feels good.

Also, living free means to use your own conscience of right and wrong, you don't always have to follow the law to the exact letter, as long as you are not doing it in a fragrant or way that is likely to get you caught.  For instance, let's say firearms are banned, and I mean completely illegal in some city or area, but that area is also a HIGH CRIME area meaning there is a chance something bad could happen to you or your family.  For some reason you are forced to go to this area or place.  Well what I would do is I would simply conceal the shit out of really well, but still have it, in case someone threatened me or my family's life or health.  Nobody would ever know I had it, and I would hopefully never draw attention to myself so there would be no reason that I would be found out unless it was needed.  Of course, I'd only use it in extreme circumstances when all other options had been exhausted.  But you get my point.

[gapatriot]

Romans 13

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God?s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God?s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God?s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

[sledge]

Romans 13

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God?s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God?s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God?s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

That one has always bothered me.  For instance the anti Christ will rule the world.  Yet he won't be of God.  And there are those mentioned in the Bible who are righteous and will rise up against him to do battle because of his evil.   

Frig it.  Where the Government is concerned I'll say what I think and the chips will fall where they may.  Hopefully God will look into my heart and not into my tax records or whether I gave them the proper respect they claim they deserve.

[WhiteWolf]

Im going to say one thing about this whole reigion thing and I got it from AA. Religion is for people that dont want to go to hell, spirtuality is for people that have been to hell and dont want to go back. You talk about drug and alcohol abuse, I would rather have 1 recovering drunk or drug addict on my side than a church full of people. I know I can call anyone from AA or NA any time and they will be there to help me, I could call every person from the church my wife and I go to and maybe 1 person will help. The whole hypicritical judging holier than thou thing is b/s, I grew up in the church my grandfather is a pastor. As far as the prepping aspect of it, when it comes down im probably not going to help anyone. I people didnt have the forthought to prep when they had the chance then it is their fault not mine and I will not pay their way.

Not to be an ass, but if you feel that way about your church why bother going? I still don't like going, and you're absolutely right about them being filled with hypocrites in some cases. Not all. There is such a thing as a "dead church." Not to mention a lot of false teachings. As far as the AA "wisdom" you shared. That may be fine by you, but I've dealt with a family of drug addicts and alcoholics. You can tell me they'll be there for you, and I'm sure some may, but that ain't saying much particularly in those settings. I've counciled in several instances and to be honest, misery loves company, and usually they're there only for those who comfort them or don't make them feel nearly as bad about themselves by comparison. I've lost family to shit like that and it ain't easy, but I'll tell you hands down I believe they would still be here if they'd turned to God and honestly sought for answers. And not the kind of dogma you find in some churches. In regards to the prepping aspect of it, well, I can't make you change your mind, but it's a pretty good example of what I'm talking about here. Again, we'll all bitch and point our fingers at CEO's, congress, president, etc. but when you take a stance like that I can't see what would make you much different. Though to be honest, based on blogtv's and paying attention to what you have to say, I think you'll probably be the opposite of what you're saying there. Hey maybe I'm wrong. I hope not though.

[WhiteWolf]

As far as the prepping aspect of it, when it comes down im probably not going to help anyone. I people didnt have the forthought to prep when they had the chance then it is their fault not mine and I will not pay their way.

I understand that sentiment.  If a collapse occurs it will be pretty difficult in the early days.  (First couple of months.)  I can't help everyone but I'll probably try to help those I can.  Teach them to snare or fish, things like that.  It all depends on how they present themselves and if their actions match their words.  Relationships are going to be crucial to long term survival in my opinion.

Exactly why I posted that clip from "The Walking Dead." People can only glaze over their stink so much.

[sledge]

When I clicked that link it didn't work.  It said it had been removed by the user.  That timing kind of sucked huh?  LOL!  I guess the devil didn't want you to get your point across.  He's a sneaky bastard!  LOL!

[WhiteWolf]

WW I think it's because each person's morality is an individual thing.  While the mechanics of prepping is common to all of us.  Most people have varying levels of morality based on their sense of right and wrong.  There are very few who do not.

To be sure there are "wild dogs" out there as there have always been.  But I don't agree with a generic statement that covers everyone.  Even at that, no one is all good or all bad.  We are all a mixture of both.   Everyone thinks they know best, but in truth no one actually does.

The "moral" of the story -  Do the best you can.  Sometimes it will be good enough, sometimes it won't.  Accept it and keep trying.

Bingo, I couldn't have said it better myself.  I have a high moral standard that I hold all those that I know to, unfortunately, I am often let down, but I've learned to live with it.  Not that I don't go nuts when I find out someone I know has let me down, but I realize that I can only control my own life and morality, I cannot control anyone else's.  I still don't approve of some of the things that are done or talked about. 

I abhor adultery, and I mean abhor it. 

Enjoying life to me means taking time away from all the government watch, training and prepping and spend time with my wife and daughter just playing around, it means enjoying the little things, maybe going on walk in a beautiful park with my daughter, or just blowing through a bunch of ammo just because it feels good.

And this is exactly what I'd like to see more of. Yeah, you can't control adultery, but if you have a passion against why not to post something about it? Hell I've never commited it, but I could probably still gain something from what has to be said. And what you had to say about the "little things" holds true for many of us. Focusing on those things is what gives us stronger resolve.

[WhiteWolf]

Romans 13

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God?s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God?s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God?s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

That one has always bothered me.  For instance the anti Christ will rule the world.  Yet he won't be of God.  And there are those mentioned in the Bible who are righteous and will rise up against him to do battle because of his evil.   

Frig it.  Where the Government is concerned I'll say what I think and the chips will fall where they may.  Hopefully God will look into my heart and not into my tax records or whether I gave them the proper respect they claim they deserve.

This is an excellent point as to why people need to be searching and asking questions about this stuff. Who among us with a religious mindset really wants to fall on the wrong side of God? This chapter is echoed by Peter also so it's obviously important. Who here knows anything about the nature of the antichrist or how it applies to what is happening today?

[WhiteWolf]

When I clicked that link it didn't work.  It said it had been removed by the user.  That timing kind of sucked huh?  LOL!  I guess the devil didn't want you to get your point across.  He's a sneaky bastard!  LOL!

Yeah, screw him, it's a shorter clip so the full context is a little off but you get the jist.

[mountainredneck2051]

this is really starting to piss me off, when i get off work i'll write up on it