Unchained Preppers
General Category => Health => Topic started by: WhiteWolf on February 14, 2012, 03:20:22 AM
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I like the sound of "enjoy life" and "live free and do what you want." To be honest though, why the hell should I? I'll give a good example. I ain't bragging, but I ain't a half bad looking sob. My new job has a couple hotties and one approached me today to tell me about one of our vendors talking to her about threesomes and wanting her and another girl to go with him to the beach for the weekend. Now single, in a relationship or married I'd stand a hell of a lot better chance of getting that little scenario to work for me than the pudgy little bastard that was trying. Both girls have been flirting with me since day one as is. Point being, I look at the consequences. My wife would divorce my ass in a heart beat and I'd be paying out the ass for the next 11-15 years or so. Not to mention I'd look back kicking myself to the day I died, and I'd miss my son like crazy. Sure I could sleep around afterwards, but me being out of my wife and son's life would probably mess up a lot things for them too. And I haven't even tackled th afterlife ramifications. Anyone here ever read Paul's writings on the afterlife? If you ever want to scare yourself shitless be my guest.
Point being here is this life has consequences. You want to have fun? Go for it, but piss down wind from me, don't bitch to me when you're "freedoms" fail you, and don't ask me where you're going when you die if you want to live that way because I'll tell ya the harsh freaking truth. The so called "freedom" we have is nothing more than an old ass document written by a bunch of deist wanting to screw over the old world. The Constitution isn't going to vote for you, decide ethical or moral questions, or even pick up a gun to defend you. It's all about perception. It's exactly like JM said. If you've got a problem fix it or at least have a plan in action. And I hate to break it to some here, but prepping a.k.a. "survival" isn't a freaking plan. It's a last ditch effort to eat, sleep, and fornicate. I'm not advocating any radical action against anyone, but I'm really sick and fricking tired of hearing all the mall cop ninja black ops bullshit. When the hell are you guys going to start to talk about legitimate plans (like building a sound community, not just a safe one.) and things that matter? You all can post all frickin' day and night about small teams, field exercises, target shooting, designated marksman, and whatever tacticool nonsense you can think of or copy and paste. That's fine by me. Some of it's funny as hell, but I think it's pathetic and scary to see how much some of you have "prepped" and haven't taken one step forward in morally, ethically, spiritually, or religiously. There are VERY few members here who actually possess any leadership skills whatsoever. And fewer who would make good leaders. Sincerely, based on how some of you act and talk on here this is how I imagine you fairing in WROL The Walking Dead - Bar Scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRfseF-KHZg#ws) I'm sure I don't have to point out what I'm talking about. So yeah, boys, laugh it up, screw as many women as you can, and drink like there's no tomorrow because the Constitution is going to save you and there's no consequences in this life or the next for any actions you take. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at Thing that really gets me is the ones who piss and moan about the religious stuff. In all do respect I know some struggle and that's fine, but you can only sit on the fence so long before you have to choose a side and it's not like no one in your lives tries to reach you. And don't whine about the "religion." Catholicism is a religion. The Bible is a book. Jesus was a man. God is the creator. No "religion" about it. You don't need a pastor to read it to you (assuming you can read). In many cases prepping, football, soccer, and even constitutionalism could be called a religion. None of those come close to what the Bible has though. You'll all spend all the money and time in the world preparing for economic collapse, zombies, elite PMC's, FEMA camps, WROL, or whatever the hell else, but you don't take the time to even consider prepping yourself spiritually. WTF is that??? Yet some of those same ones feel justified when they talk about Israel, Christians, or Zionist as though they're suddenly freaking experts. LMFAO!!!
You guys ever stop think that the rise in abortion, porn, homosexuality, idolatry, drug and alcohol abuse, sexual immorality, greed, lust, sloth, and lying have something to do with what's happened to the country and caused it to fall? Bigger question is how many of you actually look in the mirror and question yourself about these things? It's easy to sit there and point at the government, organizations, companies, and individuals like Soros. Ever think what you've done to contribute to the mess we're in? I have and I'll admit. I'll gladly sit here and confess every sin I've commited I can remember for the sake of humility in the presence of the rest of you. Bluntly for the betterment of yourselves. Though, ultimately, free will is a bitch. I'd bet 90% of you ignore every word I'm saying, think you're fine the way you are, and will just go on about your usual life because frankly it's fricking easier for you that way. The other 10% we already talk and I gladly consider you friends, some of you are even like brothers, but every one of you is in different stages of development. Some of the younger ones are farther along than the older ones. I'd implore you all to start questioning more and discussing things on here. Tackle tough subjects. Anyone care to ask how the illigetimacy rate and abortions in the country have effected us? Sure it's not "prepping," but it affects our nation on a daily basis. Key words here people "OUR NATION." Own it. I sincerely applaud those moving forward and seeking answers. You've earned respect and I pray you keep it up.
Rant done and done. It's 3 am and I've got a gun to pick up in the morning.
P.S. For the typical nahsayers. I appreciate any comments (PM's also ;) ) as always, but keep in mind I'm not encouraging one damn bad thing here. Asking people to pursue righteousness is GOOD thing (with or without the faith). If you possess some great knowledge to share to help further or obtain that by all means speak up oh wise ones. Oh, and don't forget to give me a negative karma on the way out because you all know I give a flying %^&$ :-*
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Glad you figured us (the SP community) out and judged us (the SP community) all. Thanks. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Will post more later, but off to work now.
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You think that is what people mean when they say "enjoy life" and "live free?" [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
How in the hell do you get things so screwed up in your own head?
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While I was reading WW's rant, I couldn't help but to be reminded of someone else......J.C. Webster!!! For those of you not familiar, here's a little sample:
Hell Is Heating Up:JC:Coast to Coast AM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z5YdcMJGE8#)
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Wow, that was... interesting.
I don't need spirituality, never have. Never will. Jesus is a joke. A man made bullshit fallacy to get people to do good.
( That's a good thing, but to the extent that it has gone is just stupid )
How can you build a better community without the basic skills? That is generally what we talk about here right?
How can anyone speak on building a better community when no one has had to do so.
Each person here has their own experience & that is what the site is for, to share that experience & teach others.
As for drinking & banging hoe's.... look man, do what you want. I know I wouldn't do it. I got to much going for me, a bad ass wife and a bad ass kid.
The only thing sexin hoes up would give me is a huge bill, zero love, & aids.
I'm not cool with that but I am cool with others doing it, you know why? Because at this point in time I care about Number 1 and Number 1's own.
Everyone else is just another gun or a learning tool.
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Bump:
Like Crudos wrote, I would like to comment later after I have digested what WW has written.
With that said, I will say WW showed some courage writting what he did. Whether you agree or disagree with his comments I think you have to give him a [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co for writting it.
Till lader ladies and please keep it civil. :))
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Well, I'm not sure where all of that came from. WW it kinda sounds like you have some frustrations buddy. :)
I agree with a lot of it. Morals in our society have for sure gone down hill. Viewing it over the years, not to mention taking part in it at times in my life, to me it looks like a concentrated effort. Each time our morals have dropped, that has become our new norm until they drop again. There's no doubt that it has caused some problems in our society which didn't exist in the past. Could we learn from that if indeed we do ever have to rebuild society. Possibly, but I wouldn't hold my breath until it happens. As a society we don't seem too big on learning lessons. If God wants to change that I have no doubt he will.
For my self, I'm not out to change anyone else. Not what they do or what they think. I've had a hard enough time coming to be the person I am without trying to change how other people think. (The exception is my family. Because that's my job and I always do my job.) I'll give my opinion sometimes, not all of the time, but whether other people agree with it or not is their own business. I don't really care either way and I don't get worked up over it.
I mind my own business and require others to do the same where I'm concerned. I believe in God (for a long time I didn't) because I've seen him work things in my life that couldn't have happened if he didn't exist. But I don't put words in his mouth, and I don't judge who's going to heaven or hell because that's not my job, it's his alone. I'm not about to put myself in the position of doing his job because I don't have that capability.
To my way of thinking, people can believe in God or not. That's their business and between them and God. If they don't believe in him it's only because he hasn't made himself known to them yet for whatever reason known only to himself. He'll do what he'll do in his own time. I don't question it or his motives. But I do watch what he does next with great interest. He's really pretty freaking amazing to watch.
I do agree a point is coming where people will have to get off the fence and chose sides. I also think he'll be the choosing who is going to be on his team in the upcoming battle against evil when it occurs.
I do say there is nothing wrong with enjoying life and being happy. (I'm not talking about little moments of pleasure.) I'm talking about being happy within yourself. Even in hard times there is room for happiness. Think of that as a gift. I say from God, others can say from whomever they want.
Be happy. :)
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Well, I'm not sure where all of that came from. WW it kinda sounds like you have some frustrations buddy. :)
I agree with a lot of it. Morals in our society have for sure gone down hill. Viewing it over the years, not to mention taking part in it at times in my life, to me it looks like a concentrated effort. Each time our morals have dropped, that has become our new norm until they drop again. There's no doubt that it has caused some problems in our society which didn't exist in the past. Could we learn from that if indeed we do ever have to rebuild society. Possibly, but I wouldn't hold my breath until it happens. As a society we don't seem too big on learning lessons. If God wants to change that I have no doubt he will.
For my self, I'm not out to change anyone else. Not what they do or what they think. I've had a hard enough time coming to be the person I am without trying to change how other people think. (The exception is my family. Because that's my job and I always do my job.) I'll give my opinion sometimes, not all of the time, but whether other people agree with it or not is their own business. I don't really care either way and I don't get worked up over it.
I mind my own business and require others to do the same where I'm concerned. I believe in God (for a long time I didn't) because I've seen him work things in my life that couldn't have happened if he didn't exist. But I don't put words in his mouth, and I don't judge who's going to heaven or hell because that's not my job, it's his alone. I'm not about to put myself in the position of doing his job because I don't have that capability.
To my way of thinking, people can believe in God or not. That's their business and between them and God. If they don't believe in him it's only because he hasn't made himself known to them yet for whatever reason known only to himself. He'll do what he'll do in his own time. I don't question it or his motives. But I do watch what he does next with great interest. He's really pretty freaking amazing to watch.
I do agree a point is coming where people will have to get off the fence and chose sides. I also think he'll be the choosing who is going to be on his team in the upcoming battle against evil when it occurs.
I do say there is nothing wrong with enjoying life and being happy. (I'm not talking about little moments of pleasure.) I'm talking about being happy within yourself. Even in hard times there is room for happiness. Think of that as a gift. I say from God, others can say from whomever they want.
Be happy. :)
[URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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Glad you figured us (the SP community) out and judged us (the SP community) all. Thanks. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Will post more later, but off to work now.
Ain't judging shit pal. Even said I'd a bare a little humility if needed. And Crudos, .........I wasn't exactly pointing my finger at any individual here and singling them out. Hope you have a good day at work and I look forward to your full response.
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You think that is what people mean when they say "enjoy life" and "live free?" [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
How in the hell do you get things so screwed up in your own head?
[img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at In some cases? Yes, but obviously not everyone EJR. I'm talking about people owning up to their shit and quitting this dogmatic prepping doctrine of guns, food, tactics, and survival. You leave out the morality side of this equation and what you have is nothing but a pack of wild dogs.
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You think that is what people mean when they say "enjoy life" and "live free?"
How in the hell do you get things so screwed up in your own head?
In some cases? Yes, but obviously not everyone EJR. I'm talking about people owning up to their shit and quitting this dogmatic prepping doctrine of guns, food, tactics, and survival. You leave out the morality side of this equation and what you have is nothing but a pack of wild dogs.
WW I think it's because each person's morality is an individual thing. While the mechanics of prepping is common to all of us. Most people have varying levels of morality based on their sense of right and wrong. There are very few who do not.
To be sure there are "wild dogs" out there as there have always been. But I don't agree with a generic statement that covers everyone. Even at that, no one is all good or all bad. We are all a mixture of both. Everyone thinks they know best, but in truth no one actually does.
The "moral" of the story - Do the best you can. Sometimes it will be good enough, sometimes it won't. Accept it and keep trying.
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Im going to say one thing about this whole reigion thing and I got it from AA. Religion is for people that dont want to go to hell, spirtuality is for people that have been to hell and dont want to go back. You talk about drug and alcohol abuse, I would rather have 1 recovering drunk or drug addict on my side than a church full of people. I know I can call anyone from AA or NA any time and they will be there to help me, I could call every person from the church my wife and I go to and maybe 1 person will help. The whole hypicritical judging holier than thou thing is b/s, I grew up in the church my grandfather is a pastor. As far as the prepping aspect of it, when it comes down im probably not going to help anyone. I people didnt have the forthought to prep when they had the chance then it is their fault not mine and I will not pay their way.
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@JM-Look forward to the response man. I know I didn't pick the most popular topic to start, but this is called the "Mindset and Morality" thread. ::) lol
@ Sledge- Frustration? Ok, maybe a little, but not enough to affect my day. I ain't trying to judge anyone here or even really change them. If people have questions about what I know and study I do what I can to guide them in the right direction, but ultimately people change themselves and won't let shit be dictated to them. You know where this comes from? Seeing a bunch of half decent guys that see fair of the picture, but don't want to stare at the picture long enough to get the whole story. If there's something wrong with telling people they should be responsible, moral, practice self discipline, and have good ethics; well I'll leave the door unlocked and the lynch mob can take me. You know something I was never taught in church, but should have been. I read it, learned it, and put it in myself to follow "You are your brothers keeper." Kind of comes down to the whole prayer by faith or actions in faith debate. Which is greater? I think the answers pretty obvious. Does a prayer keep a starving man fed or give a cold man a blanket. How many here want to discuss taking care of widows, homeless, blind, elderly, or children when something big happens? Anyone want to tackle the starving? So ultimately Sledge, I'm just rattling that fence try to shake a few people off on to the right side before it's to late. Thanks for the comment. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
@Reaver- Couple quick things. I have no problem with people talking about basic skills, security, and half this shit. I take offense when people don't tackle their own morality and question things deeper. The whole 9/11 thing is a perfect example. How many people watched the video I posted? 1? Maybe 2? No, the rest are all content to come up with some conspiracy or accept the ones fed to them on the media. I still challenge people to go back to that because there's some serious implications there that make it next to impossible for people to say "God doesn't exist." And when it comes to everyone else being a "gun or a learning tool," well man you'd better hope those ones have the best of intentions and some great freaking morals because reality is there are a lot who'll shoot in the back and take what you got in a heart beat. Some just for $2. You ask how people can know and talk about rebuilding when they've never experienced it. Yet we all sit here talking about collapse, financial armageddon, and WWIII, but none of us have experienced it. Sad thing is when the day does come I think there are a fair amount of preppers out there that will have no idea how to cope, help, or even survive (I don't mean just physically). All their stacks of guns and ammo will come down to them only using one gun and one bullet. Either way buddy, if I didn't give a shit I'd just tell people they're going straight to hell. I shouldn't have to even say how much I care. By the way, you have yet to respond to my email. If you can't tackle it, straight, but it'd be nice to discuss with you eventually.
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As far as the prepping aspect of it, when it comes down im probably not going to help anyone. I people didnt have the forthought to prep when they had the chance then it is their fault not mine and I will not pay their way.
I understand that sentiment. If a collapse occurs it will be pretty difficult in the early days. (First couple of months.) I can't help everyone but I'll probably try to help those I can. Teach them to snare or fish, things like that. It all depends on how they present themselves and if their actions match their words. Relationships are going to be crucial to long term survival in my opinion.
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its not mine to judge, that's god's job
until then i will continue to smoke, chew and have a drink every now and then while i screw the single world
I'm still a good guy and I'd still be the first guy to lend a helping hand
although i do agree with the content of our site being mostly militant and not enough survival
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ACDC Highway to Hell with lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv24N8H1KyI#)
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WW I think it's because each person's morality is an individual thing. While the mechanics of prepping is common to all of us. Most people have varying levels of morality based on their sense of right and wrong. There are very few who do not.
To be sure there are "wild dogs" out there as there have always been. But I don't agree with a generic statement that covers everyone. Even at that, no one is all good or all bad. We are all a mixture of both. Everyone thinks they know best, but in truth no one actually does.
The "moral" of the story - Do the best you can. Sometimes it will be good enough, sometimes it won't. Accept it and keep trying.
Bingo, I couldn't have said it better myself. I have a high moral standard that I hold all those that I know to, unfortunately, I am often let down, but I've learned to live with it. Not that I don't go nuts when I find out someone I know has let me down, but I realize that I can only control my own life and morality, I cannot control anyone else's. I still don't approve of some of the things that are done or talked about.
I abhor adultery, and I mean abhor it.
Enjoying life to me means taking time away from all the government watch, training and prepping and spend time with my wife and daughter just playing around, it means enjoying the little things, maybe going on walk in a beautiful park with my daughter, or just blowing through a bunch of ammo just because it feels good.
Also, living free means to use your own conscience of right and wrong, you don't always have to follow the law to the exact letter, as long as you are not doing it in a fragrant or way that is likely to get you caught. For instance, let's say firearms are banned, and I mean completely illegal in some city or area, but that area is also a HIGH CRIME area meaning there is a chance something bad could happen to you or your family. For some reason you are forced to go to this area or place. Well what I would do is I would simply conceal the shit out of really well, but still have it, in case someone threatened me or my family's life or health. Nobody would ever know I had it, and I would hopefully never draw attention to myself so there would be no reason that I would be found out unless it was needed. Of course, I'd only use it in extreme circumstances when all other options had been exhausted. But you get my point.
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Romans 13
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God?s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God?s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God?s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
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Romans 13
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God?s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God?s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God?s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
That one has always bothered me. For instance the anti Christ will rule the world. Yet he won't be of God. And there are those mentioned in the Bible who are righteous and will rise up against him to do battle because of his evil.
Frig it. Where the Government is concerned I'll say what I think and the chips will fall where they may. Hopefully God will look into my heart and not into my tax records or whether I gave them the proper respect they claim they deserve.
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Im going to say one thing about this whole reigion thing and I got it from AA. Religion is for people that dont want to go to hell, spirtuality is for people that have been to hell and dont want to go back. You talk about drug and alcohol abuse, I would rather have 1 recovering drunk or drug addict on my side than a church full of people. I know I can call anyone from AA or NA any time and they will be there to help me, I could call every person from the church my wife and I go to and maybe 1 person will help. The whole hypicritical judging holier than thou thing is b/s, I grew up in the church my grandfather is a pastor. As far as the prepping aspect of it, when it comes down im probably not going to help anyone. I people didnt have the forthought to prep when they had the chance then it is their fault not mine and I will not pay their way.
Not to be an ass, but if you feel that way about your church why bother going? I still don't like going, and you're absolutely right about them being filled with hypocrites in some cases. Not all. There is such a thing as a "dead church." Not to mention a lot of false teachings. As far as the AA "wisdom" you shared. That may be fine by you, but I've dealt with a family of drug addicts and alcoholics. You can tell me they'll be there for you, and I'm sure some may, but that ain't saying much particularly in those settings. I've counciled in several instances and to be honest, misery loves company, and usually they're there only for those who comfort them or don't make them feel nearly as bad about themselves by comparison. I've lost family to shit like that and it ain't easy, but I'll tell you hands down I believe they would still be here if they'd turned to God and honestly sought for answers. And not the kind of dogma you find in some churches. In regards to the prepping aspect of it, well, I can't make you change your mind, but it's a pretty good example of what I'm talking about here. Again, we'll all bitch and point our fingers at CEO's, congress, president, etc. but when you take a stance like that I can't see what would make you much different. Though to be honest, based on blogtv's and paying attention to what you have to say, I think you'll probably be the opposite of what you're saying there. Hey maybe I'm wrong. I hope not though.
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As far as the prepping aspect of it, when it comes down im probably not going to help anyone. I people didnt have the forthought to prep when they had the chance then it is their fault not mine and I will not pay their way.
I understand that sentiment. If a collapse occurs it will be pretty difficult in the early days. (First couple of months.) I can't help everyone but I'll probably try to help those I can. Teach them to snare or fish, things like that. It all depends on how they present themselves and if their actions match their words. Relationships are going to be crucial to long term survival in my opinion.
Exactly why I posted that clip from "The Walking Dead." People can only glaze over their stink so much.
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When I clicked that link it didn't work. It said it had been removed by the user. That timing kind of sucked huh? LOL! I guess the devil didn't want you to get your point across. He's a sneaky bastard! LOL!
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WW I think it's because each person's morality is an individual thing. While the mechanics of prepping is common to all of us. Most people have varying levels of morality based on their sense of right and wrong. There are very few who do not.
To be sure there are "wild dogs" out there as there have always been. But I don't agree with a generic statement that covers everyone. Even at that, no one is all good or all bad. We are all a mixture of both. Everyone thinks they know best, but in truth no one actually does.
The "moral" of the story - Do the best you can. Sometimes it will be good enough, sometimes it won't. Accept it and keep trying.
Bingo, I couldn't have said it better myself. I have a high moral standard that I hold all those that I know to, unfortunately, I am often let down, but I've learned to live with it. Not that I don't go nuts when I find out someone I know has let me down, but I realize that I can only control my own life and morality, I cannot control anyone else's. I still don't approve of some of the things that are done or talked about.
I abhor adultery, and I mean abhor it.
Enjoying life to me means taking time away from all the government watch, training and prepping and spend time with my wife and daughter just playing around, it means enjoying the little things, maybe going on walk in a beautiful park with my daughter, or just blowing through a bunch of ammo just because it feels good.
And this is exactly what I'd like to see more of. Yeah, you can't control adultery, but if you have a passion against why not to post something about it? Hell I've never commited it, but I could probably still gain something from what has to be said. And what you had to say about the "little things" holds true for many of us. Focusing on those things is what gives us stronger resolve.
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Romans 13
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God?s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God?s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God?s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
That one has always bothered me. For instance the anti Christ will rule the world. Yet he won't be of God. And there are those mentioned in the Bible who are righteous and will rise up against him to do battle because of his evil.
Frig it. Where the Government is concerned I'll say what I think and the chips will fall where they may. Hopefully God will look into my heart and not into my tax records or whether I gave them the proper respect they claim they deserve.
This is an excellent point as to why people need to be searching and asking questions about this stuff. Who among us with a religious mindset really wants to fall on the wrong side of God? This chapter is echoed by Peter also so it's obviously important. Who here knows anything about the nature of the antichrist or how it applies to what is happening today?
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When I clicked that link it didn't work. It said it had been removed by the user. That timing kind of sucked huh? LOL! I guess the devil didn't want you to get your point across. He's a sneaky bastard! LOL!
Yeah, screw him, it's a shorter clip so the full context is a little off but you get the jist.
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this is really starting to piss me off, when i get off work i'll write up on it
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I'm a godless fuck and i enjoy being a godless fuck. I don't have any fears of death and i have been in the hospital dying before.
I know i'm a better person then alot of people that believe in god are. whatever awaits me after death I welcome, even if it is hell. If it is then i know i will have good company at the least.
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Video response inbound.
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Glad you figured us (the SP community) out and judged us (the SP community) all. Thanks. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Will post more later, but off to work now.
Ain't judging shit pal. Even said I'd a bare a little humility if needed. And Crudos, .........I wasn't exactly pointing my finger at any individual here and singling them out. Hope you have a good day at work and I look forward to your full response.
Hmmm, I must've mis-read your initial rant then? I re-read it and it still sounds very judgmental towards SP in general to me. You didn't exactly single anyone out, but you sure aren't painting SP in a very good light.
For someone who has this quote/statement in their profile, "If I gave a shit you'd be the person I'd give it 2", sounds a bit hypocritical to be calling for more community-minded aspects to prepping. Then again, maybe I'm missing something.
I'm not even going to get into the religious and political aspects of your rant. I was initially very hesitant to get involved with any kind of online prepper community for exactly the reasons as demonstrated in your rant. Now I'm starting to regret my decision.
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I'm a godless fuck and i enjoy being a godless fuck. I don't have any fears of death and i have been in the hospital dying before.
I know i'm a better person then alot of people that believe in god are. whatever awaits me after death I welcome, even if it is hell. If it is then i know i will have good company at the least.
A man should know himself. It's good that you do you Godless f@ck. :)
Everyone, even a Godless f@ck, can be used by God as a tool. Here's hoping that bugs the shit out of you. LOL!
Carry on dude. We're all in the plan somewhere. :)
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Glad you figured us (the SP community) out and judged us (the SP community) all. Thanks. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Will post more later, but off to work now.
Ain't judging shit pal. Even said I'd a bare a little humility if needed. And Crudos, .........I wasn't exactly pointing my finger at any individual here and singling them out. Hope you have a good day at work and I look forward to your full response.
Hmmm, I must've mis-read your initial rant then? I re-read it and it still sounds very judgmental towards SP in general to me. You didn't exactly single anyone out, but you sure aren't painting SP in a very good light.
For someone who has this quote/statement in their profile, "If I gave a shit you'd be the person I'd give it 2", sounds a bit hypocritical to be calling for more community-minded aspects to prepping. Then again, maybe I'm missing something.
I'm not even going to get into the religious and political aspects of your rant. I was initially very hesitant to get involved with any kind of online prepper community for exactly the reasons as demonstrated in your rant. Now I'm starting to regret my decision.
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Well Crudos we're glad you're here! :) Online and offline the prepper community is made up of a large group of people with a wide range of views and ideas. Just like any sampling of the general population. The key is, just as you probably don't associate with or spend much time with people you don't agree with offline, to only click those topics that interest you online. :)
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I was going to make a video responce, But fuck it. Im to lazy to read all of this shit.
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Glad you figured us (the SP community) out and judged us (the SP community) all. Thanks. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Will post more later, but off to work now.
Ain't judging shit pal. Even said I'd a bare a little humility if needed. And Crudos, .........I wasn't exactly pointing my finger at any individual here and singling them out. Hope you have a good day at work and I look forward to your full response.
Hmmm, I must've mis-read your initial rant then? I re-read it and it still sounds very judgmental towards SP in general to me. You didn't exactly single anyone out, but you sure aren't painting SP in a very good light. I don't think you misread it. I just don't think you understand it. And really I'm not painting SP in any light. I'm challenging men to better themselves and quit snuffing out real issues that have effected our nation. Stored food, guns, tin foil, and duct tape isn't going to solve the moral and ethical problems of our nation.
For someone who has this quote/statement in their profile, "If I gave a shit you'd be the person I'd give it 2", sounds a bit hypocritical to be calling for more community-minded aspects to prepping. Then again, maybe I'm missing something. Yeah, you missed the part where I tend to be VERY sarcastic. The quote is really against my nature, but it's something my cousin always says to me to snap my head back in the game when I've lost perspective.
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Thanks for the replies WW, I have a better perspective on where your coming from now, more so than I did this morning. Don't agree with some of your rants still, but that's life sometimes. Been pounding my head at work all day, and don't feel like pounding it on the internet atm. Cheers and beers.
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First I want you to know White Wolf, I did not watch the video. When I had time I could not bring it up and now I do not have the time :)) I also want to thank you for writing the Rant. There is a lot of good things in it most of which its not just about prepping food.
While putting beans, bullets and band-aides away for the up and coming TEOTWAWKI for the body, I think we also need to reconcile our past sins and get right with God for our souls.
In my earlier life I really got off track, probably being brought up in the 60?s and 70?s. My wife and I spent much of our time doing whatever felt good. This stopped abruptly one early morning when my wife was pulled over going the wrong way on a one way street in Seattle. The police report stated that she blew a .022. Later at trial, the judge told her you have two choices:
1) Pay the fine and go to jail or
2) Go to outpatient rehab. She took the rehab and has been sober since ? Twenty years in
March.
To this date my wife and I feel that God interviened as both of our lives changed for the better.
During those twenty years she went to AA meetings in 10 or so states and three countries until we came to RI. The meetings here were not to our liking. The reason and subsequent story I will save for another post.
Over our 35 years we have been together we have watched a lot of folks fall. There was adultery, divorce, substance abuse, violence, death, etcetera going on all around us. It seemed like as each year passed we had less and less friends because of divorce and death. One day a few years ago we asked again ?what happened? when our very best married friends got a divorce. In almost every instance it was due to people thinking about their own pleasure above all else.
We did a little research and what it came down to to us was once my wife had her run in with the law we both decided to not follow Baal (Bael) into his depths. Was my wife tempted to have a Tanqueray and soda or do another line of coke; yup. I use to travel almost all the time; consequently I had many, many opportunities to bed another gal but I never did. We just refused to follow that devil down to his pit.
Why do our countrymen think it is O-Kay to follow Baal. Well not to start another debate I think it has to do with the induction of ?the pill? into our society in the mid 60?s. Just look at divorce rates before 1965? Look at drug use or single parent rates pre and post the introduction of the pill to our consumers. Just food for thought.
Now it?s time to bring my thoughts back to my opening paragraph. Along with putting beans, bullets and band aides aside for our flesh we need to get right with God for our soul. We need to take with us into our BOL why these things are happening and will we learn from them. Not only do we need to show our children how to shoot accurately, we need to help them understand why they should not follow Baal into the pits of hell.
Good topic WW! [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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I like the sound of "enjoy life" and "live free and do what you want." To be honest though, why the hell should I? I'll give a good example. I ain't bragging, but I ain't a half bad looking sob. My new job has a couple hotties and one approached me today to tell me about one of our vendors talking to her about threesomes and wanting her and another girl to go with him to the beach for the weekend. Now single, in a relationship or married I'd stand a hell of a lot better chance of getting that little scenario to work for me than the pudgy little bastard that was trying. Both girls have been flirting with me since day one as is. Point being, I look at the consequences. My wife would divorce my ass in a heart beat and I'd be paying out the ass for the next 11-15 years or so. Not to mention I'd look back kicking myself to the day I died, and I'd miss my son like crazy. Sure I could sleep around afterwards, but me being out of my wife and son's life would probably mess up a lot things for them too. And I haven't even tackled th afterlife ramifications. Anyone here ever read Paul's writings on the afterlife? If you ever want to scare yourself shitless be my guest.
Point being here is this life has consequences. You want to have fun? Go for it, but piss down wind from me, don't bitch to me when you're "freedoms" fail you, and don't ask me where you're going when you die if you want to live that way because I'll tell ya the harsh freaking truth. The so called "freedom" we have is nothing more than an old ass document written by a bunch of deist wanting to screw over the old world. The Constitution isn't going to vote for you, decide ethical or moral questions, or even pick up a gun to defend you. It's all about perception. It's exactly like JM said. If you've got a problem fix it or at least have a plan in action. And I hate to break it to some here, but prepping a.k.a. "survival" isn't a freaking plan. It's a last ditch effort to eat, sleep, and fornicate. I'm not advocating any radical action against anyone, but I'm really sick and fricking tired of hearing all the mall cop ninja black ops bullshit. When the hell are you guys going to start to talk about legitimate plans (like building a sound community, not just a safe one.) and things that matter? You all can post all frickin' day and night about small teams, field exercises, target shooting, designated marksman, and whatever tacticool nonsense you can think of or copy and paste. That's fine by me. Some of it's funny as hell, but I think it's pathetic and scary to see how much some of you have "prepped" and haven't taken one step forward in morally, ethically, spiritually, or religiously. There are VERY few members here who actually possess any leadership skills whatsoever. And fewer who would make good leaders. Sincerely, based on how some of you act and talk on here this is how I imagine you fairing in WROL The Walking Dead - Bar Scene ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRfseF-KHZg#ws[/url]) I'm sure I don't have to point out what I'm talking about. So yeah, boys, laugh it up, screw as many women as you can, and drink like there's no tomorrow because the Constitution is going to save you and there's no consequences in this life or the next for any actions you take. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at Thing that really gets me is the ones who piss and moan about the religious stuff. In all do respect I know some struggle and that's fine, but you can only sit on the fence so long before you have to choose a side and it's not like no one in your lives tries to reach you. And don't whine about the "religion." Catholicism is a religion. The Bible is a book. Jesus was a man. God is the creator. No "religion" about it. You don't need a pastor to read it to you (assuming you can read). In many cases prepping, football, soccer, and even constitutionalism could be called a religion. None of those come close to what the Bible has though. You'll all spend all the money and time in the world preparing for economic collapse, zombies, elite PMC's, FEMA camps, WROL, or whatever the hell else, but you don't take the time to even consider prepping yourself spiritually. WTF is that??? Yet some of those same ones feel justified when they talk about Israel, Christians, or Zionist as though they're suddenly freaking experts. LMFAO!!!
You guys ever stop think that the rise in abortion, porn, homosexuality, idolatry, drug and alcohol abuse, sexual immorality, greed, lust, sloth, and lying have something to do with what's happened to the country and caused it to fall? Bigger question is how many of you actually look in the mirror and question yourself about these things? It's easy to sit there and point at the government, organizations, companies, and individuals like Soros. Ever think what you've done to contribute to the mess we're in? I have and I'll admit. I'll gladly sit here and confess every sin I've commited I can remember for the sake of humility in the presence of the rest of you. Bluntly for the betterment of yourselves. Though, ultimately, free will is a bitch. I'd bet 90% of you ignore every word I'm saying, think you're fine the way you are, and will just go on about your usual life because frankly it's fricking easier for you that way. The other 10% we already talk and I gladly consider you friends, some of you are even like brothers, but every one of you is in different stages of development. Some of the younger ones are farther along than the older ones. I'd implore you all to start questioning more and discussing things on here. Tackle tough subjects. Anyone care to ask how the illigetimacy rate and abortions in the country have effected us? Sure it's not "prepping," but it affects our nation on a daily basis. Key words here people "OUR NATION." Own it. I sincerely applaud those moving forward and seeking answers. You've earned respect and I pray you keep it up.
Rant done and done. It's 3 am and I've got a gun to pick up in the morning.
P.S. For the typical nahsayers. I appreciate any comments (PM's also ;) ) as always, but keep in mind I'm not encouraging one damn bad thing here. Asking people to pursue righteousness is GOOD thing (with or without the faith). If you possess some great knowledge to share to help further or obtain that by all means speak up oh wise ones. Oh, and don't forget to give me a negative karma on the way out because you all know I give a flying %^&$ :-*
Did your wife thank you for not acting on that 3 way at work? You hansome son of a bitch!
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Thanks for the replies WW, I have a better perspective on where your coming from now, more so than I did this morning. Don't agree with some of your rants still, but that's life sometimes. Been pounding my head at work all day, and don't feel like pounding it on the internet atm. Cheers and beers.
Thanks for joining in on the conversation. If you ever want ot hash out some particulars feel free to PM me.
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Did your wife thank you for not acting on that 3 way at work? You hansome son of a bitch!
I wish, but instead she just said she was tired and going to bed.
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Did your wife thank you for not acting on that 3 way at work? You hansome son of a bitch!
I wish, but instead she just said she was tired and going to bed.
I wish I could get back the 1 minute of my precious life I wasted reading your rant.
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First I want you to know White Wolf, I did not watch the video. When I had time I could not bring it up and now I do not have the time :)) I also want to thank you for writing the Rant. There is a lot of good things in it most of which its not just about prepping food.
While putting beans, bullets and band-aides away for the up and coming TEOTWAWKI for the body, I think we also need to reconcile our past sins and get right with God for our souls.
In my earlier life I really got off track, probably being brought up in the 60?s and 70?s. My wife and I spent much of our time doing whatever felt good. This stopped abruptly one early morning when my wife was pulled over going the wrong way on a one way street in Seattle. The police report stated that she blew a .022. Later at trial, the judge told her you have two choices:
1) Pay the fine and go to jail or
2) Go to outpatient rehab. She took the rehab and has been sober since ? Twenty years in
March.
To this date my wife and I feel that God interviened as both of our lives changed for the better.
During those twenty years she went to AA meetings in 10 or so states and three countries until we came to RI. The meetings here were not to our liking. The reason and subsequent story I will save for another post.
Over our 35 years we have been together we have watched a lot of folks fall. There was adultery, divorce, substance abuse, violence, death, etcetera going on all around us. It seemed like as each year passed we had less and less friends because of divorce and death. One day a few years ago we asked again ?what happened? when our very best married friends got a divorce. In almost every instance it was due to people thinking about their own pleasure above all else.
We did a little research and what it came down to to us was once my wife had her run in with the law we both decided to not follow Baal (Bael) into his depths. Was my wife tempted to have a Tanqueray and soda or do another line of coke; yup. I use to travel almost all the time; consequently I had many, many opportunities to bed another gal but I never did. We just refused to follow that devil down to his pit.
Why do our countrymen think it is O-Kay to follow Baal. Well not to start another debate I think it has to do with the induction of ?the pill? into our society in the mid 60?s. Just look at divorce rates before 1965? Look at drug use or single parent rates pre and post the introduction of the pill to our consumers. Just food for thought.
Now it?s time to bring my thoughts back to my opening paragraph. Along with putting beans, bullets and band aides aside for our flesh we need to get right with God for our soul. We need to take with us into our BOL why these things are happening and will we learn from them. Not only do we need to show our children how to shoot accurately, we need to help them understand why they should not follow Baal into the pits of hell.
Good topic WW!
I appreciate it man. Just a little fyi, I got rolling on this one because of this "It's easy to bitch...It's harder to identify a problem and solve it." Sound familiar? Those were great words of wisdom that a lot of the younger generations could learn from. And I can relate to that story about you and your wife. I've had my experiences and my recent unemployment experience was probably the most purifying venture I've ever had spiritually. When it was all said and done though I came out the other end a hell of a lot better than I was before. I couldn't have come through it without God. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co (http://www.smileyvault.co
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Did your wife thank you for not acting on that 3 way at work? You hansome son of a bitch!
I wish, but instead she just said she was tired and going to bed.
I wish I could get back the 1 minute of my precious life I wasted reading your rant.
LMAO, yet here you are still commenting. Thanks for reading regardless.
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I havent read any of the responses yet....
But anyways... its 7:30pm and i just finnished setting up my surprise dinner for my girlfriend. Im currently waiting for her to get home from work now... i went all out...why?...because i love her... and id NEVER risk our relationship for some dumbass temptations... I dont need some machine typed words out of the most mass produced book in the world to tell me i love her and dont ever want to hurt her. some guys need some one else to tell them whats right and wrong... others ARE LEADERS... and can do it all on their own. i dont see how having ones nose stuffed in a book looking for all the answers makes a person a leader. that makes a person almost lost in my opinion. open your eyes...the answers to the world are all around you.. use your own feelings to gauge right and wrong... dont stare at the rules in a book and follow them blindly. if you took a more rational approach to life and questioned EVERYTHING then i dont think you could justify your rant above.
thats all ive got..
-Kenny
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Thx Ken. but more important...How as your dinner ;)
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I'm a good person and I know it. I don't need anyone or anything else to tell me what's right and wrong. I'm doing just fine on my own.
god didn't invent the golden rule. it's something inherent in all humans. some obey it and some don't. I've rejected the idea of any kind of supernatural power since I was old enough to think critically, and I don't rape, murder, steal.. etc.
that being said, whitwolf's criticism of the prepping community (minus all the spirituality stuff) is 100% dead-on accurate.
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I'm a good person and I know it. I don't need anyone or anything else to tell me what's right and wrong. I'm doing just fine on my own.
god didn't invent the golden rule. it's something inherent in all humans. some obey it and some don't. I've rejected the idea of any kind of supernatural power since I was old enough to think critically, and I don't rape, murder, steal.. etc.
that being said, whitwolf's criticism of the prepping community (minus all the spirituality stuff) is 100% dead-on accurate.
Thanks Nola. While I respect your belief I still sincerely wish you and others would take the time to search out the evidence for God. You may not agree with me on the religion or spirituality, but when you see the evidence it's hard to deny. The main reason I'm saying this now is because it applies directly to what's happening in our country. There are ways we can still turn this ship around rather than waiting for a collapse or WROL.
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I havent read any of the responses yet....
But anyways... its 7:30pm and i just finnished setting up my surprise dinner for my girlfriend. Im currently waiting for her to get home from work now... i went all out...why?...because i love her... and id NEVER risk our relationship for some dumbass temptations... I dont need some machine typed words out of the most mass produced book in the world to tell me i love her and dont ever want to hurt her. some guys need some one else to tell them whats right and wrong... others ARE LEADERS... and can do it all on their own. i dont see how having ones nose stuffed in a book looking for all the answers makes a person a leader. that makes a person almost lost in my opinion. open your eyes...the answers to the world are all around you.. use your own feelings to gauge right and wrong... dont stare at the rules in a book and follow them blindly. if you took a more rational approach to life and questioned EVERYTHING then i dont think you could justify your rant above.
thats all ive got..
-Kenny
Hope you had a good dinner Ken. ;) One thought I want to consider before bashing the book or reading it. If the book has been proven to contain words of wisdom that hold true, and thousands of prophecies that have come true (some over 3,500 years old) wouldn't it be worth reading? Because as we speak they are still occuring. And I'm not taking some dogmatic right wing Christian approach about Israel and Iran. There's stuff there, but a lot of people have it wrong. If anything, guys that hate hearing it should read it just to be able to combat them intellectually and squash their false dogma with truth. I don't doubt for a minute that a lot of people here are "good," but who among us couldn't be better? Food for thought.
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I think its a little funny that you preface your very judgmental rant with "im not judging anyone"
I would offer my opinnion on some of the reasons the country is in trouble, but since your moral compass is just so much better than everyone else WW, ill hold my tounge. The opinion of the likes of me wouldnt mean much to you.
I come to this site to learn things about prepping that others have more knowledge and experience with. Not to be judged for what other veiw as my inadequasies.
Ive tried to offer some articles to get people thinking about their physical security needs. I saw it as fair trade with others who were teaching me about planting, canning, And several other topics that would have taken me much longer to research on my own. This resource has cut down my study time dramaticly.
If anything ive offered up has given anyone here another perspective, Idea or even a starting point for their own research, then im happy. Yes i do get side tracked into other little convorsations. I guess its my failing that i want to have a few luaghs with some friends instead of flailing my way to purity. But hey no ones perfect. Well maybee you are i dont know.
Feel free to ignore any of mine/ our Mall ninja BS. Its obvious you dont need to even prep anymore. I mean what would be the point????? Why prolong your existance here in this shitty life if youve got a one way ticket to the promised land?
But if its ok with you im gonna keep training and prepping. Well I dont care if its ok with you, Im gonna do it anyway.
I could really go on and on about this rant WW, But it would be a waste of your and my time. Ive always thought people have a right to beleive whatever they want. And i beleive that was some judgmental and spitefull shit you wrote. If all this started because you turned down some ass. Why come here and try to make others in a unrelated place and community feel shitty. But i guess you couldnt just go whack off and release the beast. No! you had to write a, every body is an adultering loozah rant. Dont blame your E.D. on me buddy. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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I think its a little funny that you preface your very judgmental rant with "im not judging anyone"
I would offer my opinnion on some of the reasons the country is in trouble, but since your moral compass is just so much better than everyone else WW, ill hold my tounge. The opinion of the likes of me wouldnt mean much to you. I judged whom exactly? Telling everyone they could be better and use to focus on their morality isn't judging jack, jack. The Bible and my faith happens to be a good source for reflection and study for many to do so, but by all means if you have another source or wisdom you'd like to share please feel free.
I come to this site to learn things about prepping that others have more knowledge and experience with. Not to be judged for what other veiw as my inadequasies. Again, didn't judge a single person here. In fact I offered up some of my own spiritual/ moral struggles.
Ive tried to offer some articles to get people thinking about their physical security needs. I saw it as fair trade with others who were teaching me about planting, canning, And several other topics that would have taken me much longer to research on my own. This resource has cut down my study time dramaticly. And likewise, I've done the same for those who have asked here and on other sites. Morality and religion, whether you like it or not, have their place here and were responsible for the founding and dedication of this nation. Returning to those things could stand to do a lot more good than just packing away some extra food or building a solar oven. Those are good things too, but you don't just sit on your ass waiting for it when there's still a chance to help others, change minds, and win some souls.
If anything ive offered up has given anyone here another perspective, Idea or even a starting point for their own research, then im happy. Yes i do get side tracked into other little convorsations. I guess its my failing that i want to have a few luaghs with some friends instead of flailing my way to purity. But hey no ones perfect. Well maybee you are i dont know. Sure as hell ain't perfect. If you could bothered to read and comprehend my post you'd see I said so. Or would you rather I list down all my sins so we can compare and contrast? I'll gladly offer up humility because I have no problem with it. And truthfully jack, I hope, no, I know my posts encourage others to challenge their world views and perspective. If I piss off 9 out of every 10 people and reach just the one that's fine by me. I'm not your or anyone elses moral compass. If I said something you didn't like it's because you're not secure with yourself. Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe you're the perfect one with nothing to learn or improve upon.
Feel free to ignore any of mine/ our Mall ninja BS. Its obvious you dont need to even prep anymore. I mean what would be the point????? Why prolong your existance here in this shitty life if youve got a one way ticket to the promised land?
But if its ok with you im gonna keep training and prepping. Well I dont care if its ok with you, Im gonna do it anyway. No, I don't need to prep anymore honestly Jack, because I'm not ruled by fear. And if the SHTF tomorrow you wouldn't find me cowering in a corner of my BOL only concerned about me and my family. My food and my preps aren't just for me. They are for people who will have no home, no food, no protection, and you know when those people come I'll have something a little more to offer them. Some compassion and knowledge in a shit hole of a world where people have sacrificed their morals and faith for the cheap feel good things of this world. That jack is my ticket to the promised land. So hey I apologize for wanting to see some of these same guys and maybe even yourself in the next life. Sorry for challenging you're rather depressing outlook.
I could really go on and on about this rant WW, But it would be a waste of your and my time. Ive always thought people have a right to beleive whatever they want. And i beleive that was some judgmental and spitefull shit you wrote. If all this started because you turned down some ass. Why come here and try to make others in a unrelated place and community feel shitty. But i guess you couldnt just go whack off and release the beast. No! you had to write a, every body is an adultering loozah rant. Dont blame your E.D. on me buddy. Well you can believe what you please jack, but it doesn't make it true. If I really want to judge people I could drop trouse and shit all over a bunch of peoples parades. And this didn't all start because I turned down some ass. I wasn't going after it or offered it up in the first place. The point was about people practicing self restraint. Oh, and the little "ED" comment jack ::) Yeah for that the only judgement I'll pass on you is you're a dick and immature as hell when some one challenges how you think. Other than that I've never had a single thing against you. Sincerely, sorry my adultery/ fornicating comments struck a cord, but I don't know you, your life, or your heart jack. I won't ask you to look inside and question if there's room for improvement again. Take care.[/color]
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Has your wife read your 1st paragraph of your rant? How does she feel about your words? I found your first paragraph to be very disrespectful to your wife. I do not think JC would have posted that, what do you think?
I will pray for you tonight.
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You wrote, " It's 3 am. and I have a gun to pick up in the morning" Whatja get?
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You wrote, " It's 3 am. and I have a gun to pick up in the morning" Whatja get?
A Savage LE edition .308 w/ heavy fluted 22" barrel and picking up an hk mp5sd .22lr soon.
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Nice! [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co Ahhhhh, Numbers 4 and 5
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Has your wife read your 1st paragraph of your rant? How does she feel about your words? I found your first paragraph to be very disrespectful to your wife. I do not think JC would have posted that, what do you think?
I will pray for you tonight.
??? Well, first off Hondo, JC was above the snares of the flesh. So that point is kind of mute. Second, I didn't say I was contemplating a damn thing or wanted it. I was eluding to the fact that the guy who was, IMHO, was a dumbass who cared only about his dick and the fleeting pleasures of daily life and that any of us, including myself, have it in them to behave that way. I'm not sure what you're expecting to gain from your comment, but yes in fact I've talked to my wife in greater detail about this and several of the subsequent post here more than I have any of you. Oh, and Hondo, I appreciate the prayer, but God already knows my needs before you approach him. The Lord's prayer would be better. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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Nice!
Yup lol. Well, more like numbers 8&9, but for the purposes of that thread yeah, 4&5. (http://www.smileyvault.co Ahhhhh, Numbers 4 and 5
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Thx Ken. but more important...How as your dinner ;)
it went very good JM thanks for asking man.
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I havent read any of the responses yet....
But anyways... its 7:30pm and i just finnished setting up my surprise dinner for my girlfriend. Im currently waiting for her to get home from work now... i went all out...why?...because i love her... and id NEVER risk our relationship for some dumbass temptations... I dont need some machine typed words out of the most mass produced book in the world to tell me i love her and dont ever want to hurt her. some guys need some one else to tell them whats right and wrong... others ARE LEADERS... and can do it all on their own. i dont see how having ones nose stuffed in a book looking for all the answers makes a person a leader. that makes a person almost lost in my opinion. open your eyes...the answers to the world are all around you.. use your own feelings to gauge right and wrong... dont stare at the rules in a book and follow them blindly. if you took a more rational approach to life and questioned EVERYTHING then i dont think you could justify your rant above.
thats all ive got..
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Hope you had a good dinner Ken. ;) One thought I want to consider before bashing the book or reading it. If the book has been proven to contain words of wisdom that hold true, and thousands of prophecies that have come true (some over 3,500 years old) wouldn't it be worth reading? Because as we speak they are still occuring. And I'm not taking some dogmatic right wing Christian approach about Israel and Iran. There's stuff there, but a lot of people have it wrong. If anything, guys that hate hearing it should read it just to be able to combat them intellectually and squash their false dogma with truth. I don't doubt for a minute that a lot of people here are "good," but who among us couldn't be better? Food for thought.
Yeah theres no doubt that we all have room for improvement myself included. Now as far as the prophecies you speak of...that is a huge book...with a lot of words written in funny ways... its so hard to understand the "true" (meaning if there is such a thing) that you need a lawer to break it down... with that said i doubt theres a "prophecy" in there where it says on this date at this time at this exact location this will happen. it just says once a lamb and a cow walked down a grass hill and then people say hey remember that one time omg its from the bible...
if the book was meant to show people the good word it would have been written in a simpler way... and its not just because its so old... the translation even makes it hard to understand. its just a giant book that you can say means anything you want... show me where it says on september 11th 2001 the world trade centers will be brought down by 2 jumbo jets.. if i see those words ill be a believer.
Im not a dumb guy in my opinion.. i think i can grasp things pretty well...and i have picked it up many of times to read and try to find the "light" or what ever.. but everytime i just set it down and say "wtf did i just read".. why make a book that is the key to peoples eternal happiness so damn impossible to understand?... you could bring in 10 different people and have 10 different opinions of what the exact same scripture means. everyone always claims they are the right one but the truth is none of them have any clue and just blame their blind opinion on faith. faith takes up the slack for all the cluelessness. without that word there is no argument for religion. everyone just has it stuck in there head that they just need "faith" and they will be rewarded.. if you just drop that single word all religions are toast. i think a more suitable phrase would be "keep your fingers crossed" ... then you can go around telling people when they say how do you know god exists "youve just gotta keep your fingers crossed"... i think its a more accurate phrase to describe reality.
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with that said i doubt theres a "prophecy" in there where it says on this date at this time at this exact location this will happen. it just says once a lamb and a cow walked down a grass hill and then people say hey remember that one time omg its from the bible...
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with that said i doubt theres a "prophecy" in there where it says on this date at this time at this exact location this will happen. it just says once a lamb and a cow walked down a grass hill and then people say hey remember that one time omg its from the bible...
ROFL! nailed it.
Not quite. I've actually discovered exact dates in my own studies as have others for current and ancient prophecies. Thing is here guys, it may sound smooth or funny to knock it now, but if you spent the time studying it and taking it seriously you'd start to see a lot more things unravel before your eyes. Also, I'm not talking about typical feel good social religion where you attend church on Sundays in your best suit. People need to study this stuff on their own and stop looking for answers with their pastor or priest. That's caused more damage throughout the world than most care to acknowledge. Doesn't mean the religion was bad. It means the people who listened were to gullible or lazy to challenge their corrupt leaders. I mean Nola, you care about your gun rights, your family, etc. What happens if a guy like Romney gets elected and says his religion leads him to believe Americans shouldn't have the right to bear arms? Hell, Santorum or Paul (both religious men) for that matter. You don't go to court and just say "I don't agree." You have to have a defense. The Bible is a great defense against tyranny and opression. And Jesus, the Judges (which I think you'd like), and the prophets are like your witnesses.
Like I said though before, can't force anyone to do shit, but I wish you would because I know you'd find a lot more answers for just about everything. Also, no homo, but I care about you guys (except bwb, jk bwb). I'm not going to be around forever and it'd be nice to know when the internet goes or something else happens that you guys fully grasp what's going on and have built yourselves up a defense against it. (http://www.smileyvault.co
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Not quite. I've actually discovered exact dates in my own studies as have others for current and ancient prophecies. Thing is here guys, it may sound smooth or funny to knock it now, but if you spent the time studying it and taking it seriously you'd start to see a lot more things unravel before your eyes. Also, I'm not talking about typical feel good social religion where you attend church on Sundays in your best suit. People need to study this stuff on their own and stop looking for answers with their pastor or priest. That's caused more damage throughout the world than most care to acknowledge. Doesn't mean the religion was bad. It means the people who listened were to gullible or lazy to challenge their corrupt leaders. I mean Nola, you care about your gun rights, your family, etc. What happens if a guy like Romney gets elected and says his religion leads him to believe Americans shouldn't have the right to bear arms? Hell, Santorum or Paul (both religious men) for that matter. You don't go to court and just say "I don't agree." You have to have a defense. The Bible is a great defense against tyranny and opression. And Jesus, the Judges (which I think you'd like), and the prophets are like your witnesses.
Like I said though before, can't force anyone to do shit, but I wish you would because I know you'd find a lot more answers for just about everything. Also, no homo, but I care about you guys (except bwb, jk bwb). I'm not going to be around forever and it'd be nice to know when the internet goes or something else happens that you guys fully grasp what's going on and have built yourselves up a defense against it.
Just like the bible can be a great weapon for tyrants to oppress the unwashed mashes. Want examples, just ask any culture preyed/prayed upon by Christian missionaries the last 2000 years because they appeared to be savages or uncivilized or godless heathens, or some such nonsense. Being born Catholic, and coming to view my path in this life as a pagan, I see the bible as more about controlling it's flock, than setting it free. Jesus taught alot about compassion and love, yet there is so little of that in today's world.
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Not quite. I've actually discovered exact dates in my own studies as have others for current and ancient prophecies. Thing is here guys, it may sound smooth or funny to knock it now, but if you spent the time studying it and taking it seriously you'd start to see a lot more things unravel before your eyes. Also, I'm not talking about typical feel good social religion where you attend church on Sundays in your best suit. People need to study this stuff on their own and stop looking for answers with their pastor or priest. That's caused more damage throughout the world than most care to acknowledge. Doesn't mean the religion was bad. It means the people who listened were to gullible or lazy to challenge their corrupt leaders. I mean Nola, you care about your gun rights, your family, etc. What happens if a guy like Romney gets elected and says his religion leads him to believe Americans shouldn't have the right to bear arms? Hell, Santorum or Paul (both religious men) for that matter. You don't go to court and just say "I don't agree." You have to have a defense. The Bible is a great defense against tyranny and opression. And Jesus, the Judges (which I think you'd like), and the prophets are like your witnesses.
Like I said though before, can't force anyone to do shit, but I wish you would because I know you'd find a lot more answers for just about everything. Also, no homo, but I care about you guys (except bwb, jk bwb). I'm not going to be around forever and it'd be nice to know when the internet goes or something else happens that you guys fully grasp what's going on and have built yourselves up a defense against it.
Just like the bible can be a great weapon for tyrants to oppress the unwashed mashes. Want examples, just ask any culture preyed/prayed upon by Christian missionaries the last 2000 years because they appeared to be savages or uncivilized or godless heathens, or some such nonsense. Being born Catholic, and coming to view my path in this life as a pagan, I see the bible as more about controlling it's flock, than setting it free. Jesus taught alot about compassion and love, yet there is so little of that in today's world.
Yes and no. Just taught a lot of wisdom and love, but he also said he did not come to change the law, but to fulfill. Also that he did not come to bring peace, but a sword. I totally agree that many forms of religion have been used against people throughout history. Thank God for men like Gutenburg or men would still be lead around in darkness. However, those days have begun to reappear. Seperation of church and state has been misrepresented to the point that children at one point were literally taught to read and do math from the bible. Now they can't even pray or wear a shirt with a cross. Yet they same schools will still require a pledge of allegiance. :o It's become very tainted >:( Responsible men should be doing their best to set it straight though.
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Yes and no. Just taught a lot of wisdom and love, but he also said he did not come to change the law, but to fulfill. Also that he did not come to bring peace, but a sword. I totally agree that many forms of religion have been used against people throughout history. Thank God for men like Gutenburg or men would still be lead around in darkness. However, those days have begun to reappear. Seperation of church and state has been misrepresented to the point that children at one point were literally taught to read and do math from the bible. Now they can't even pray or wear a shirt with a cross. Yet they same schools will still require a pledge of allegiance. :o It's become very tainted >:( Responsible men should be doing their best to set it straight though.
Only because they didn't have text books, and for better or for worse, was a book almost any family had around. We have textbooks readily available these days. As far as students being discriminated for wearing religious apparel, it has happened to all faiths, not only Christians.
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Yes and no. Just taught a lot of wisdom and love, but he also said he did not come to change the law, but to fulfill. Also that he did not come to bring peace, but a sword. I totally agree that many forms of religion have been used against people throughout history. Thank God for men like Gutenburg or men would still be lead around in darkness. However, those days have begun to reappear. Seperation of church and state has been misrepresented to the point that children at one point were literally taught to read and do math from the bible. Now they can't even pray or wear a shirt with a cross. Yet they same schools will still require a pledge of allegiance. :o It's become very tainted >:( Responsible men should be doing their best to set it straight though.
Only because they didn't have text books, and for better or for worse, was a book almost any family had around. We have textbooks readily available these days. As far as students being discriminated for wearing religious apparel, it has happened to all faiths, not only Christians.
So Muslims can speak out against the country, government, etc. Buddhist, Hindus, and even Jews, but if a Christian preacher does the church can be punished. Not familiar with the IRS Johnson Amendmant of 1954? Christians have been a target for years. Bleeding hearts can say other religions are treated the same, but it's simply without merit. Our government bends over backwards for Islam, but spits in the face of Christians who built this country. >:(
Oh, yes I know they didn't have Bibles. That why I mentioned Gutenburg. Now they're just to lazy to read them on their own and church has become a social thing. There are a lot of dead churches nowadays.
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So Muslims can speak out against the country, government, etc. Buddhist, Hindus, and even Jews, but if a Christian preacher does the church can be punished. Not familiar with the IRS Johnson Amendmant of 1954? Christians have been a target for years. Bleeding hearts can say other religions are treated the same, but it's simply without merit. Our government bends over backwards for Islam, but spits in the face of Christians who built this country. >:(
Amen!
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So Muslims can speak out against the country, government, etc. Buddhist, Hindus, and even Jews, but if a Christian preacher does the church can be punished. Not familiar with the IRS Johnson Amendmant of 1954? Christians have been a target for years. Bleeding hearts can say other religions are treated the same, but it's simply without merit. Our government bends over backwards for Islam, but spits in the face of Christians who built this country.
Oh, yes I know they didn't have Bibles. That why I mentioned Gutenburg. Now they're just to lazy to read them on their own and church has become a social thing. There are a lot of dead churches nowadays.
If a church gets non-profit status, then the preacher employed by said church should not be involved in political speech, especially endorsement of political candidates. Simple. My wife and I have alot of experience with 501(c)(3) non-profit religious organizations and their ability to endorse political candidates and so forth. Flavor of faith should not matter if you read the rules. Are Christians exempt from rules if their church wants to retain non-profit status? Pay taxes like everyone else, and spout whatever rhetoric they want, I have no problem with that. I disagree with Christians as targets, it's simply more victim mentality as that faith loses adherents and it's control over people.
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I do have to agree with one thing. The policies that are now followed do bend over backwards for Islam and other religions, and Christianity really has gotten messed over. Its everywhere if you go look for the articles.
Remember the one kid who was a (Seq) (spelling?!?!) The schools let him bring a real daggar to a public school because it was part of his religious beliefs, but then kids, like the ones I know, go to jail for having a screwdriver in their truck that the use after school for work?
Also, Christian kids cannot pray in school, they can't wear certain t-shirts, and it gets worse. Trust me, there is definitely an attack on Christianity in this country. Its BS.
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I disagree with Christians as targets, it's simply more victim mentality as that faith loses adherents and it's control over people.
Wow Cudos. That is the first totally ridiculous statement I've seen you make. Surely you're not that blind and that was a statement made in the passion of argument.
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I disagree with Christians as targets, it's simply more victim mentality as that faith loses adherents and it's control over people.
Wow Cudos. That is the first totally ridiculous statement I've seen you make. Surely you're not that blind and that was a statement made in the passion of argument.
Christianity is rife with martyrs throughout it's history. I'd say I'm seeing more clearly than ever before.
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I disagree with Christians as targets, it's simply more victim mentality as that faith loses adherents and it's control over people.
Wow Cudos. That is the first totally ridiculous statement I've seen you make. Surely you're not that blind and that was a statement made in the passion of argument.
Christianity is rife with martyrs throughout it's history. I'd say I'm seeing more clearly than ever before.
No doubt, as has every other religion been rife with martyrs. And every religion has had crimes and evil committed in it's name by those whose true goals were power. But just because evil men inhabit the Earth, that does not change the original message. It happens across the board. I would argue the Constitution has been corrupted by evil men who couldn't increase their power otherwise. That doesn't change the original message of that document either.
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No doubt, as has every other religion been rife with martyrs. And every religion has had crimes and evil committed in it's name by those whose true goals were power. But just because evil men inhabit the Earth, that does not change the original message. It happens across the board. I would argue the Constitution has been corrupted by evil men who couldn't increase their power otherwise. That doesn't change the original message of that document either.
And what is the original message of the Constitution? The words are still the same, with some necessary additions, imo.
We the people... still means all citizens of this nation.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
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No doubt, as has every other religion been rife with martyrs. And every religion has had crimes and evil committed in it's name by those whose true goals were power. But just because evil men inhabit the Earth, that does not change the original message. It happens across the board. I would argue the Constitution has been corrupted by evil men who couldn't increase their power otherwise. That doesn't change the original message of that document either.
And what is the original message of the Constitution? The words are still the same, with some necessary additions, imo.
We the people... still means all citizens of this nation.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
That our rights are God given to us. (By the way, most, not all, of the writers of the Constitution were Christians. I wonder what God they were referring to as our creator? and secure the Blessings of Liberty Who has the ability to give blessings? Certainly not any man or government.
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I do have to agree with one thing. The policies that are now followed do bend over backwards for Islam and other religions, and Christianity really has gotten messed over. Its everywhere if you go look for the articles.
Remember the one kid who was a (Seq) (spelling?!?!) The schools let him bring a real daggar to a public school because it was part of his religious beliefs, but then kids, like the ones I know, go to jail for having a screwdriver in their truck that the use after school for work?
Also, Christian kids cannot pray in school, they can't wear certain t-shirts, and it gets worse. Trust me, there is definitely an attack on Christianity in this country. Its BS.
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That our rights are God given to us. (By the way, most, not all, of the writers of the Constitution were Christians. I wonder what God they were referring to as our creator? and secure the Blessings of Liberty Who has the ability to give blessings? Certainly not any man or government.
So only the Christian God can give blessings? I'd say Hindus would probably disagree. The original framers wrote it perfectly, stop trying to fit and enforce religious conformity upon the Constitution and the rest of non-Christian Americans.
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That our rights are God given to us. (By the way, most, not all, of the writers of the Constitution were Christians. I wonder what God they were referring to as our creator? and secure the Blessings of Liberty Who has the ability to give blessings? Certainly not any man or government.
So only the Christian God can give blessings? I'd say Hindus would probably disagree. The original framers wrote it perfectly, stop trying to fit and enforce religious conformity upon the Constitution and the rest of non-Christian Americans.
I'm sorry that it took me a minute. I was somewhat stunned by your reply. I was trying to figure out how you took what I said, processed it, and came back with the reply that you did. There was some kind of a short circuit in processing or something. I still don't quite understand it.
The fact that most of the writers of the Constitution were Christians who believed in a Christian God, or that blessings by definition are only given by God is something that can't be argued with. Well, I guess someone could argue against those facts but it just makes them seem out of touch with reality. I mean, how do you change facts?
As for me giving a damn about what religion, if any, a person believes is way off track. Honestly, I simply do not care what anyone else believes or does not believe. So I have NO interest in having anyone else conform to any religion or no religion.
I do however, have an interest in having those who would prevent me from believing what I choose to believe held accountable. It has gotten way out of hand. The concept is Freedom of Religion, Not Freedom From Religion.
The concept of separation of Church and State is not contained in the Constitution, it is in a letter that Jefferson wrote. The Constitution says that the Federal Government cannot impose a specific religion on it's citizens. (ie, the Church of England) Interestingly enough, it does not prevent individual states from doing so although to date none have.
Like I said above, I don't care what someone chooses to believe in relation to God. It's not that they are not important as people. It's just that I don't care. :)
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That our rights are God given to us. (By the way, most, not all, of the writers of the Constitution were Christians. I wonder what God they were referring to as our creator? and secure the Blessings of Liberty Who has the ability to give blessings? Certainly not any man or government.
So only the Christian God can give blessings? I'd say Hindus would probably disagree. The original framers wrote it perfectly, stop trying to fit and enforce religious conformity upon the Constitution and the rest of non-Christian Americans.
Facts are facts man whether we like them or not. And this nations "founding fathers" weren't even really the guys people often refer to. In fact the Pilgrims were far more our founding fathers than deist like Thomas Jefferson and his occult buddy Benjamin Franklin. I mean Crudos, not to be a dick, because really you seem like a nice guy, but why would I listen to what you or others holding your views have to say? Do you have any idea how much time I've put on to apologetics, theology, and just reading canonized and non-canonized biblical works, world history, Meso-American history and myths, Egyptian history and myths, Sumerian myths, Greek myths, evolution, prophecy, Hebrew, Greek, Latin, astronomy, etc. and etc. There is but ONE true GOD, and the fakes aren't hard to discredit if you know what you're looking for. Truly Crudos, if I'm wrong, I challenge you to study it and prove it in front of everyone here. Make me put my foot in my mouth. I'll tell you right now though, you're not going to find a short answer on the internet, and it's going to take some SERIOUS time. And that right there is the beauty of it. See I could just tell you in so many words how, why, and where you went wrong with your world view on God and Christianity, but you wouldn't believe me if I did. Even if it was undeniable fact. If you see it for yourself though? Well that's a different story.
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That our rights are God given to us. (By the way, most, not all, of the writers of the Constitution were Christians. I wonder what God they were referring to as our creator? and secure the Blessings of Liberty Who has the ability to give blessings? Certainly not any man or government.
So only the Christian God can give blessings? I'd say Hindus would probably disagree. The original framers wrote it perfectly, stop trying to fit and enforce religious conformity upon the Constitution and the rest of non-Christian Americans.
I'm sorry that it took me a minute. I was somewhat stunned by your reply. I was trying to figure out how you took what I said, processed it, and came back with the reply that you did. There was some kind of a short circuit in processing or something. I still don't quite understand it.
The fact that most of the writers of the Constitution were Christians who believed in a Christian God, or that blessings by definition are only given by God is something that can't be argued with. Well, I guess someone could argue against those facts but it just makes them seem out of touch with reality. I mean, how do you change facts? Well, technically, many were deist, but many still believed in the Hebrew god of the Bible yes. Some others who were involved with Free Masonry accepted all "gods" as equal. So the "god" they speak of is rather ambiguous considering our God is called Yahweh. Considering how long it took them to agree on the Great Seal I have little doubt "God" was a compromise from bickering parties whom decided to let educated men chose for themselves. This is unfortunately where it went horribly wrong. In 1816 a man by the name of Robert Owen submitted an outline for the public education system of England. At this time it was also introduced to the newly founded USA. Thomas Jefferson was a primary component of America's early public education system and shared similar views to Owens that a man character is molded by society. And that mass education could be used to mold the character of an entire nation. Owen also stressed the need for teacher training institutions. Sounds good right? :-X
Well here's where it started folks. In 1820 a gentleman by the name of Orestes Brownson, follower and colleague of Own, revealed their true intentions in his autobiography. "Our great objective was to get rid of Christianity and to convert our churches into halls of science. The plan was not to make open attacks on religion, but to establish a system of state, we said national, schools, from which all religion was to be excluded. In which nothing was to be taught but such knowledge as is verifiable to the senses and to which all parents were to be compelled by law send their children. For this purpose, a secret society was formed and the whole country was to be organized as were the revolutionists thoughtout Europe by Bazard preparatory to the revolutions of 1820 and 1830." I could go on from here, and if people don't get the picture I gladly will. More than likely tomorrow though. I've been up since 4am.
As for me giving a damn about what religion, if any, a person believes is way off track. Honestly, I simply do not care what anyone else believes or does not believe. So I have NO interest in having anyone else conform to any religion or no religion.I do care. Greatly. Not because I want to rub something in anyones face or say "Haha I was right." I actually care that people in this nation and throughout the world have been falsely indoctrinated with bullshit ideals and false beliefs. I'm not going to cut off anyones hand over it, but I'll be damned if I just sit idley by and watch. Just to quote a few for perspective on this;
James Madison "A people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power that knowledge gives."
We have failed EPICLY at that.
John Adams "The whole people must take upon themselves the education of the whole people and must be willing to bear the expense of it." And we do so, but I'd argue this, if the majority of this nation claims to be Christian than why would Christian knowledge not be taught? Over 70% of Americans in this nation in 2011 identified themselves as a "Christian." FACT. We have allowed ourselves and our children to be indoctrinated with lies and secular humanism for too damn long. Christians need to draw a line in the sand and they need to do it NOW.
I do however, have an interest in having those who would prevent me from believing what I choose to believe held accountable. It has gotten way out of hand. The concept is Freedom of Religion, Not Freedom From Religion.
The concept of separation of Church and State is not contained in the Constitution, it is in a letter that Jefferson wrote. The Constitution says that the Federal Government cannot impose a specific religion on it's citizens. (ie, the Church of England) Interestingly enough, it does not prevent individual states from doing so although to date none have.
Like I said above, I don't care what someone chooses to believe in relation to God. It's not that they are not important as people. It's just that I don't care. :)
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Just for the record guys the word "blessing" dosent only relate to religous type stuff... just religion uses the crap out of it so we relate any use of the word to a god given divine intervention type thing.
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Regarding morality and ethics discussions...there were some over at L&L that blew up rather badly. There was one involving Reaver's unique views on consumption (which blew up, I later learned, based on the fact that his views were somewhat miscommunicated online). There was another about how our morals/ethics would affect us regarding becoming wolves. I believe most of the regulars here were exposed to that conversation. Many more members than were expected pretty much said they would embrace wolfish behavior, though some qualified it by saying they would only prey on other wolves. The meaningful discussions of morality and ethical behavior are present, but they explode and divide so much that I guess we've unconsciously decided to let it be. I'm not opposed to discussion, but member relations can become very strained on very deep levels. Perhaps that's a good thing - testing our relationships with one another. Perhaps it's a bad thing - breaking up our community. It's a scary prospect, either way. Like stepping on a landmine...no telling what parts of you it's gonna blow off.
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Just for the record guys the word "blessing" dosent only relate to religous type stuff... just religion uses the crap out of it so we relate any use of the word to a god given divine intervention type thing.
Well Ken when you invent a time machine and go back to see George Washington giving the dedication of our nation be sure to ask him for us all what "god" he dedicated this nation to, and whose "blessing" he was asking for when he did so. Til then what you just said was a bitter assumption at best.
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Regarding morality and ethics discussions...there were some over at L&L that blew up rather badly. There was one involving Reaver's unique views on consumption (which blew up, I later learned, based on the fact that his views were somewhat miscommunicated online). There was another about how our morals/ethics would affect us regarding becoming wolves. I believe most of the regulars here were exposed to that conversation. Many more members than were expected pretty much said they would embrace wolfish behavior, though some qualified it by saying they would only prey on other wolves. The meaningful discussions of morality and ethical behavior are present, but they explode and divide so much that I guess we've unconsciously decided to let it be. I'm not opposed to discussion, but member relations can become very strained on very deep levels. Perhaps that's a good thing - testing our relationships with one another. Perhaps it's a bad thing - breaking up our community. It's a scary prospect, either way. Like stepping on a landmine...no telling what parts of you it's gonna blow off.
Well said. (http://www.smileyvault.co For me, I tend to think testing the relationships is a good thing even if it causes division. Doesn't me you continually exacerbate the situation, but it's better to address than ignore. Kind of like many of problems we have with our national debt and unemployment.[/color)
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Just for the record guys the word "blessing" dosent only relate to religous type stuff... just religion uses the crap out of it so we relate any use of the word to a god given divine intervention type thing.
Well Ken when you invent a time machine and go back to see George Washington giving the dedication of our nation be sure to ask him for us all what "god" he dedicated this nation to, and whose "blessing" he was asking for when he did so. Til then what you just said was a bitter assumption at best.
says you... im simply stating the Definition in the english language of the word "blessing" dosent only pertain to religious interactions. i made the definition clear because they were in a debate on who can give blessings...and the correct answer is anyone can. it does not only fall under the ability of super beings. i dont have to ask George washington i have google. and i said nothing about the word god. the word god wasnt in the quote above given by crudos.
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Bless you! :)
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Facts are facts man whether we like them or not. And this nations "founding fathers" weren't even really the guys people often refer to. In fact the Pilgrims were far more our founding fathers than deist like Thomas Jefferson and his occult buddy Benjamin Franklin. I mean Crudos, not to be a dick, because really you seem like a nice guy, but why would I listen to what you or others holding your views have to say? Do you have any idea how much time I've put on to apologetics, theology, and just reading canonized and non-canonized biblical works, world history, Meso-American history and myths, Egyptian history and myths, Sumerian myths, Greek myths, evolution, prophecy, Hebrew, Greek, Latin, astronomy, etc. and etc. There is but ONE true GOD, and the fakes aren't hard to discredit if you know what you're looking for. Truly Crudos, if I'm wrong, I challenge you to study it and prove it in front of everyone here. Make me put my foot in my mouth. I'll tell you right now though, you're not going to find a short answer on the internet, and it's going to take some SERIOUS time. And that right there is the beauty of it. See I could just tell you in so many words how, why, and where you went wrong with your world view on God and Christianity, but you wouldn't believe me if I did. Even if it was undeniable fact. If you see it for yourself though? Well that's a different story.
I'm not exactly sure what you want me to prove here. Your not the only one who has put in massive amounts of time and study on history, and it's ramifications on our world today, and other subjects. I'm not going to prove your One true God is wrong, nor would I ever try. If you believe it and helps you get through life, that is good enough for me, but in my world and spiritual view, I think your enthusiastically misguided. Nor does your one true God have any bearing on my life anymore. You found something that resonates with you, I say go with it, but don't get all in a righteous snit when someone challenges your view. I will not put my personal experiences with spirituality on public display to prove anything, rightly or wrongly. They are mine alone to cherish and reflect upon.
Again, I'm not picking on you WW, but what I read from your writings is the same kind of overbearing, self-righteous, indignation that drove me from my Christian upbringing. There are no absolutes in religion except those constraints put there by men, with all their faults and failings. Jesus put forth some really good ideas, but I will not fall to worship at the feet of mythical, monolithic entity of fear that became modern Christianity. Is it any wonder why the current day Christian church (and all it's related flavors) are struggling to keep the flock intact? I'm glad that I live in an age where it's okay to question the status quo, to find our personal truths, to experience deep meaning and revelations, and not get crucified, nor tortured, nor killed for heresy against a man-constructed temple of corruptible power.
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Sledge and WhiteWolf, there are some other topic that you both broached, and would make equally interesting discussion. If for future reference, when quoting another post, take the emoticon codes out so it makes it easier to follow who said what and to whom. Seems if you leave the emoticon code in the quote, it messes up the formatting. Just saying...cheers, beers, and 'Merica?fuck yeah.
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Facts are facts man whether we like them or not. And this nations "founding fathers" weren't even really the guys people often refer to. In fact the Pilgrims were far more our founding fathers than deist like Thomas Jefferson and his occult buddy Benjamin Franklin. I mean Crudos, not to be a dick, because really you seem like a nice guy, but why would I listen to what you or others holding your views have to say? Do you have any idea how much time I've put on to apologetics, theology, and just reading canonized and non-canonized biblical works, world history, Meso-American history and myths, Egyptian history and myths, Sumerian myths, Greek myths, evolution, prophecy, Hebrew, Greek, Latin, astronomy, etc. and etc. There is but ONE true GOD, and the fakes aren't hard to discredit if you know what you're looking for. Truly Crudos, if I'm wrong, I challenge you to study it and prove it in front of everyone here. Make me put my foot in my mouth. I'll tell you right now though, you're not going to find a short answer on the internet, and it's going to take some SERIOUS time. And that right there is the beauty of it. See I could just tell you in so many words how, why, and where you went wrong with your world view on God and Christianity, but you wouldn't believe me if I did. Even if it was undeniable fact. If you see it for yourself though? Well that's a different story.
I'm not exactly sure what you want me to prove here. Your not the only one who has put in massive amounts of time and study on history, and it's ramifications on our world today, and other subjects. I'm not going to prove your One true God is wrong, nor would I ever try. If you believe it and helps you get through life, that is good enough for me, but in my world and spiritual view, I think your enthusiastically misguided. Nor does your one true God have any bearing on my life anymore. You found something that resonates with you, I say go with it, but don't get all in a righteous snit when someone challenges your view. I will not put my personal experiences with spirituality on public display to prove anything, rightly or wrongly. They are mine alone to cherish and reflect upon.
Again, I'm not picking on you WW, but what I read from your writings is the same kind of overbearing, self-righteous, indignation that drove me from my Christian upbringing. There are no absolutes in religion except those constraints put there by men, with all their faults and failings. Jesus put forth some really good ideas, but I will not fall to worship at the feet of mythical, monolithic entity of fear that became modern Christianity. Is it any wonder why the current day Christian church (and all it's related flavors) are struggling to keep the flock intact? I'm glad that I live in an age where it's okay to question the status quo, to find our personal truths, to experience deep meaning and revelations, and not get crucified, nor tortured, nor killed for heresy against a man-constructed temple of corruptible power.
Well man, that's straight. I realize you're not picking on me. For me, my faith is grounded, and I'm sorry if you feel it was self righteous, overbearing or anything else negative. If you ever want to question me further about my beliefs or have a question pertaining to the Bible or historical references therein please feel free to ask. In all honesty I didn't start this post to try and prove something to anybody. I didn't even really intend for it to take a religious direction. I really just wanted people to take some time for self reflection. Do I want people to wake up and start to see the world for what it is? Absolutely, but I don't expect anyone here to take a few words typed out on an internet forum seriously enough to convert. Maybe just enough to start looking. Either way man, no bad feelings, God Bless.
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Well man, that's straight. I realize you're not picking on me. For me, my faith is grounded, and I'm sorry if you feel it was self righteous, overbearing or anything else negative. If you ever want to question me further about my beliefs or have a question pertaining to the Bible or historical references therein please feel free to ask. In all honesty I didn't start this post to try and prove something to anybody. I didn't even really intend for it to take a religious direction. I really just wanted people to take some time for self reflection. Do I want people to wake up and start to see the world for what it is? Absolutely, but I don't expect anyone here to take a few words typed out on an internet forum seriously enough to convert. Maybe just enough to start looking. Either way man, no bad feelings, God Bless.
+ karma and blessings to you WW.
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http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html (http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html)
"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787
(that's one of literally hundreds within the link above)