Local cops ready for war

[sledge]

just how many active shooter, or terrorist sits. have we had in this country in the last 10 years? 4, 5? so we need 'peace officers' that resemble military raiding parties? with all those surplus m16s (that the public has to jump through hoops to get) and how are these 'peace officers' being trained to target people they suspect as terrorists? because i wear my Mjolnir i am profiled as a terrorist, i carry a Constitution, same thing, i dont like being taxed 7-ways from suday, you got it same thing.....

now can you tell me how many leos filter out the bullcrap the DHS spits in regards to who is a terrorist?

You're just pissed about those m1's they won't bring back from Korea.     Me too!

[Rebelac7]

Ok, so they have all this stuff. But can they actually USE it effectively? Watch the video of the Jose Gurrera raid. Being with SWAT is still a far cry from the military.

Very true

Active shooters happen all the fucking Time everywhere, it's getting worse. Just this year I was envolved in 2.

http://privateofficernews.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/three-men-captured-after-shooting-at-ga-state-troopers-www-privateofficer-com/

The other I can talk about yet. Im not even any special force with our department. All deputies at our department are trained the same swat is. SWAT is only called out in special circumstances that are contained. Even our Jail Deputies are required to take Rifle classes and we have 40 hours every year we train at schools with EVERY division at our department. The training is room clearing, school clearing. WE have real life scenarios and use the NIMS system to coordinate our acts. Its really fun and we learn a lot about our gear and our weapons. It also helps boost multi division morale and cooperation because of friendships developed. During these scenarions we use all law enforcment agencies and municipalities of our county. Its a fast pace. I can't speak for other deparments but there are several that are better in training than us. From my views on both sides of the field, shit is getting real and for the better.

Here is a local college we use for active shooters, I could research and list all the shootings this year, but you have Google.com just like me.

http://www.highlands.edu/campus/publications/sixmilepost/Archives/Nov_2007/frontpage.htm

[Rebelac7]

just how many active shooter, or terrorist sits. have we had in this country in the last 10 years? 4, 5? so we need 'peace officers' that resemble military raiding parties? with all those surplus m16s (that the public has to jump through hoops to get) and how are these 'peace officers' being trained to target people they suspect as terrorists? because i wear my Mjolnir i am profiled as a terrorist, i carry a Constitution, same thing, i dont like being taxed 7-ways from suday, you got it same thing.....

now can you tell me how many leos filter out the bullcrap the DHS spits in regards to who is a terrorist?

Turn off CNN, get on google and type in "shooting 2011" in google. As for the "Loop holes" its a grant, we received 200 rifles for the price of shipping... taxed.. right.  As for your "terrorist" rant, were not TSA, CNN lied to you sir.

[Rebelac7]

just how many active shooter, or terrorist sits. have we had in this country in the last 10 years? 4, 5? so we need 'peace officers' that resemble military raiding parties? with all those surplus m16s (that the public has to jump through hoops to get) and how are these 'peace officers' being trained to target people they suspect as terrorists? because i wear my Mjolnir i am profiled as a terrorist, i carry a Constitution, same thing, i dont like being taxed 7-ways from suday, you got it same thing.....

now can you tell me how many leos filter out the bullcrap the DHS spits in regards to who is a terrorist?

The DHS isnt the propaganda masters, The department of justice is and we told them how wrong they were.
http://www.daily-tribune.com/view/full_story/15918647/article-Tensions-flare-in-cultural-awareness-training?instance=most_popular

[goodnightChesty1775]

just how many active shooter, or terrorist sits. have we had in this country in the last 10 years? 4, 5? so we need 'peace officers' that resemble military raiding parties? with all those surplus m16s (that the public has to jump through hoops to get) and how are these 'peace officers' being trained to target people they suspect as terrorists? because i wear my Mjolnir i am profiled as a terrorist, i carry a Constitution, same thing, i dont like being taxed 7-ways from suday, you got it same thing.....

now can you tell me how many leos filter out the bullcrap the DHS spits in regards to who is a terrorist?

Turn off CNN, get on google and type in "shooting 2011" in google. As for the "Loop holes" its a grant, we received 200 rifles for the price of shipping... taxed.. right.  As for your "terrorist" rant, were not TSA, CNN lied to you sir.

i dont watch CNN i read my news, another 'trait' according to the DHS....

and do local police depts. not get DHS training?

[sledge]

Were those guys drunk.  Why did the shoot at the SUV or the trooper?  Were they illegals?  Evidently they decided to stop shooting because they were arrested without any bullet holes in them.  What were the machine guns the cops were carrying, AR's?

[sledge]

goodnightChesty1775 quit busting on Rebelac7.  He's been pretty up front on his views and I see no problem with him.  I like having a cop's input on subjects like this.  Ask all of the questions you want, just don't use an accusing approach.  If you are concerned about him might I suggest you just stay out of Georgia and you should be good to go.   

[Rebelac7]

goodnightChesty1775 quit busting on Rebelac7.  He's been pretty up front on his views and I see no problem with him.  I like having a cop's input on subjects like this.  Ask all of the questions you want, just don't use an accusing approach.  If you are concerned about him might I suggest you just stay out of Georgia and you should be good to go.   

Were those guys drunk.  Why did the shoot at the SUV or the trooper?  Were they illegals?  Evidently they decided to stop shooting because they were arrested without any bullet holes in them.  What were the machine guns the cops were carrying, AR's?

They were riding around shooting at random cars, the trooper got behind them. They were using shit guns .380's and stupid shit. The trooper was ambushed in a L shape when he wrecked them. We surrounded the entire tree area within minutes. It was a multi jursidictional effort between Bartow and Cherokee county. The "machine Guns" were just M16s provided to us through a grant by homeland security, we paid shipping. Every Deputy here is issued one after he had completed the proper training. They droped their guns after within seconds of their ambush and ran like cowards because of all the law enforcment presence. Was really well executed, and we didnt have to kill them to bring them to justice. The next day the judge denied their bond, they were illegals. They were on drugs. They will be deported after they serve their prison sentence.

[JohnyMac]

I am reading an interesting book called Unintended Consequences by John Ross.

It's an interesting read so far as it looks at our gun laws up through the 20th century...I am at the NFA of '68 now.

Basically up to the NFA of '34 any citizen could own any kind of weapon.

The theory is, after prohibition the government had all of those Treasury agents sitting around and rather then lay them off the NFA of '34 was passed. To own a machine gun, sawed off shotgun, etc. you had to pay $200- and get a stamp per weapon. This new law was enforced by the Treasury Department.

The government passed it using the excuse that it would stop gangsters from using certain weapons. It is believed that in actuality it was passed to keep the "G" men employed post prohibition. Now you know as well as I do, old Al Capone would have had no problem paying $200- for the right to own a Tommy gun but the average citizen couldn't afford that. Mmmmmm?

Many judges post the NFA '34 felt the law was unconstitutional and when a person was brought before the judge on gun charges, (Owning a machine gun without the prepaid $200 stamp as an example) and if the gun was standard issue in the military, they would throw the case out.

Some of these lower court decisions were challenged by the Treasury Department but many were not. The judges used the logic that the Second Amendment to the Constitution states that: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. . So if the military used a weapon and a citizen could afford it, they could own it.

In the book, I am now at the NFA of '68. I will fill you in once I read those chapters; However, I suspect that the '68 law was an emotional one based on JFK's assassination. More to come...

[goodnightChesty1775]

everything i said about the DHS is a lie? use google.com.....

[Rebelac7]

everything i said about the DHS is a lie? use google.com.....

The DHS is not your enemy, they focus on Foreign AND domestic terorrism. FEMA, is unconstitutional and most likely your enemy. I dont agree with them 100% on everything, but this is an argument on why cops should of shouldnt have guns provided to them by the Government..

[JohnyMac]

Keep in mind gents: If the government gives you something there are strings attached.

[sledge]

everything i said about the DHS is a lie? use google.com.....

The DHS is not your enemy, they focus on Foreign AND domestic terorrism. FEMA, is unconstitutional and most likely your enemy. I dont agree with them 100% on everything, but this is an argument on why cops should of shouldnt have guns provided to them by the Government..

I'd have a hard time buying that DHS is my friend or that they actually give two shits about my well being.  They've got there fingers into every kind of citizen control out there and are not much different than the Gestapo SS in my book.  Plus Fema is part of DHS and does what it's told. 

I might like DHS a lot better after Obama's and his Marxists are gone and if the Agency does an about face on some of it's BS policies.  Of course after the Facists get into power I might decide I like the Marxist's better. 

Man, what a bitch this is turning into!     

[goodnightChesty1775]

moral of the story here, the government is the problem, the government sucks.

[sledge]

moral of the story here, the government is the problem, the government sucks.

 [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co  I can find absolutely nothing to disagree with in that statement.

[rah45]

I understand that the civilians and LEOs topic area can be a powder keg, and there have been hints of possible skirmishes here, but thus far everyone here has kept their heads and we've had a civil conversation. I just wanted to voice my appreciation. This sort of discourse, peaceful despite a touchy subject, is how this community gains respect and grows.

Now, back to our regularly unscheduled broadcasting. 

[Rebelac7]

moral of the story here, the government is the problem, the government sucks.

 

There is always room for improvment; HOwever, I wouldn't want to live anywhere but in the United States. Compared to the rest of the world's government, it's not so bad.

[Rebelac7]

just how many active shooter, or terrorist sits. have we had in this country in the last 10 years? 4, 5? so we need 'peace officers' that resemble military raiding parties? with all those surplus m16s (that the public has to jump through hoops to get) and how are these 'peace officers' being trained to target people they suspect as terrorists? because i wear my Mjolnir i am profiled as a terrorist, i carry a Constitution, same thing, i dont like being taxed 7-ways from suday, you got it same thing.....

now can you tell me how many leos filter out the bullcrap the DHS spits in regards to who is a terrorist?

Turn off CNN, get on google and type in "shooting 2011" in google. As for the "Loop holes" its a grant, we received 200 rifles for the price of shipping... taxed.. right.  As for your "terrorist" rant, were not TSA, CNN lied to you sir.

i dont watch CNN i read my news, another 'trait' according to the DHS....

and do local police depts. not get DHS training?

The only training we recieve from DHS is FEMA and NIMS, both are based on DIsasters.

[sledge]

There is always room for improvment; HOwever, I wouldn't want to live anywhere but in the United States. Compared to the rest of the world's government, it's not so bad.

I can't disagree with that statement.  There are some real hell holes out there.  But I think the only reason that's true is that the Constitution is still on display and most citizens of all political persuasions are a little testy about Government sticking it's nose in every aspect of our lives.

I have no doubts that if the political powers who have been entrusted with control of our government over the past decade had their way the Constitution ( Just a piece of paper, Bush you suck) would have been burned years ago and we would be just another backwater police state country.  They've durn sure been working their butts off to create just that.

Wonder what they'll do next in their quest for total control.

Bomb Iran (Paul Shanklin)

 

   

[Colombo]

At you Rebelac7.  I painted with a broad brush and jumped on the generalization bandwagon, you have a job I would want no part of and probably would not show proper restraint in. You have an apology from me with a few observations.

    I have seen law enforcement change from that guy in blue who you could always go to if in need or who would catch you being stupid and bring you home for a proper whipping 
   
    I've watched it change into a mass of legal procedures that police have to follow due to a mess of a justice system and liability concerns.
   
    And in some cases I've seen it become a revenue generating arm and job provider for lawyers and judges of the local government.

[WhiskeyJack]

Keep in mind gents: If the government gives you something there are strings attached.

True! but the gov has for gotten that there are strings attached to that which we give them. I think at some point those strings will have to be tugged as a reminder of who works for who in this country.

[sledge]

    I have seen law enforcement change from that guy in blue who you could always go to if in need or who would catch you being stupid and bring you home for a proper whipping 
   
    I've watched it change into a mass of legal procedures that police have to follow due to a mess of a justice system and liability concerns.
   
    And in some cases I've seen it become a revenue generating arm and job provider for lawyers and judges of the local government.

Man, I keep coming across posts that I agree with.  Even when they are on opposite sides of the same issue.  I must be a flip flopper or something. LOL!   

[Kentactic]

all we can hope for is that if they are in the position where they are tasked with violating the Constitution, they think twice and dont do it. and i hope that a good percentage of cops are guys like us, but from my experience it is NOT that way.

Your rights are determined by the United States Supreme Court nowdays, NOT the Constitution. This being said, law enforcment would never accept any ruleing requiring us to ,"TAKE ARE GUNS!".  THis would be done by the Military using FEMA policies and precedures, not some poor bastard you've been preparing to kill in your driveway.

sad thing is your right nowadays.....there are several state/federal laws have trumped any every part of the Constitution that actually protects our freedom, liberty, and security. and leos just love it...

Do note, I didn't say it was the right thing, it's just the Blue Pill of Todays world. Have fun swallowing it society...

i took the red pill... the blue one stank like shit and was dripping with seimen... it was an easy choice to swallow the red pill instead.

[Kentactic]

I feel that the RIGHT LEO's need and deserve the good guns to shoot back with...but unfoutunatly, generally speaking the guys in uniform today cant be trusted with the weapons they have been given. they have been taught by people who dont have our best interest in mind. so i guess lets not blame the dog for biting lets blame the owner for poor training of the dog. fix the owner and you fix the problem.
 

[sledge]

I feel that the RIGHT LEO's need and deserve the good guns to shoot back with...but unfoutunatly, generally speaking the guys in uniform today cant be trusted with the weapons they have been given. they have been taught by people who dont have our best interest in mind. so i guess lets not blame the dog for biting lets blame the owner for poor training of the dog. fix the owner and you fix the problem.
 

First they were fuzz, then they were pigs, now it seems they're dogs.  Have you ever considered there might be reasons on both sides for the "us against them"  mentality both sides seem to display.

I pretty much feel that cops are like everyone else and deserve to be judged individually.  I personally know some cops that are great guys.  I also personally know some cops that power tripping assholes.  Just like all Americans in general, you have good people and you have people whose mental thought processes are corrupted in one way or another.

Support your local Peace Officer, unless he proves himself to be a power junkie prick who demands respect but doesn't give it in return.   Just like everyone else, some are good, some are bad.  And just like everything else, the bad behavior by some seems to get noticed more than the good ones do.