Unchained Preppers
General Category => News & Politics => Topic started by: Skippy00004 on December 21, 2011, 01:44:27 PM
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html)
Fuck this.
Also, check out the quote about 3/4 down the page. That's the kind of mentality I'm afraid of.
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Ok, so they have all this stuff. But can they actually USE it effectively? Watch the video of the Jose Gurrera raid. Being with SWAT is still a far cry from the military.
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Ok, so they have all this stuff. But can they actually USE it effectively? Watch the video of the Jose Gurrera raid. Being with SWAT is still a far cry from the military.
[URL=http://www.smileyvault.co Very true
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Ok, so they have all this stuff. But can they actually USE it effectively? Watch the video of the Jose Gurrera raid. Being with SWAT is still a far cry from the military.
They're not supposed to be soldiers, but that doesn't stop most SWAT members from thinking they are part of some elite unit and getting a mental high off of it. I don't have a problem with officers having AR's and protective vests. Occasionally, as in rarely, their job can turn dangerous. Trouble is, when that occurs now days it's usually the cop that has initiated it.
My issue with what's happened in LE (formerly Peace Officers) is the training they receive drumming into their heads that they are in a war against practically everything. War on drugs, war on terrorism, war on drunk driving, war on seat belt use, no tolerance policy for this, no tolerance policy for that. The belief that in order to keep society safe everything has to be controlled. And the belief that this doesn't happen until the citizens are controlled. This has come down from the Fed (both in funding and idealism) in order for the Fed to protect the status quo by exercising control of citizens through the enactment of questionable laws, over reach by the Judicial branch in creating legislation, and the manipulation of LE departments through corruptive training usually initiated by the Fed.
So now every one stop light town has a swat team delivering jury summons and most agencies of the Federal Government have they're own elite teams to handle white collar, non injury crimes. ( Crimes created in most cases by bureaucrats in the form of regulations never voted on by congress.)
Yes, I do see some problems occurring with what is going on with "LE" that would make the Founding Fathers cringe.
Does anyone in LE care? Few if many at all. And to tell you the truth, with what's coming down the pike, it probably doesn't matter.
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They aren't even close to ready. From what I see they suffer from both a mall ninja like mentality regarding equipment and I believe their training not only will make them easier targets but seriously degrade unit survivability if they square up against anything other than the local criminals. They seriously need to grasp enfilade vs defilade to survive even barely competent tactics.
I also suspect the mentality that most but not all have as evidenced by referring to any one not in law enforcement as civilians will come back and bite them in the ass when they "find" that special and ready "Civilian" who's kicked more doors and taken more fire than their whole dept.
Wanted to edit one word in my post so this seems to work.
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They aren't even close to ready. From what I see they suffer from both a mall ninja like mentality regarding equipment and I believe their training not only will make them easier targets but seriously degrade unit survivability if they square up against anything other than the local criminals. They seriously need to grasp enfilade vs defilade to survive even barely competent tactics.
I also suspect the mentality that most but not all have as evidenced by referring to any one not in law enforcement as civilians will come back and bite them in the ass when they "find" that special and ready "Civilian" who's kicked more doors and taken more fire than their whole dept.
Wanted to edit one word in my post so this seems to work.
I don't know if I totally agree with the generalization. A higher percentage of cops than in the past come from a military background. Usually, those aren't the guys you see displaying a screwed up "power trip" mentality. They seem to keep there shit together under stress better instead of escalating situations.
You do make a good point about cops coming up against that special civilian that has taken more fire than their entire department. Because of the long years of combat going back to the original Iraq invasion there are more combat proven civilians than at any point in our history other that right after WWII. And it appears more are on the way home unless they wind up in Kuwait or Jordan waiting for the next one.
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all we can hope for is that if they are in the position where they are tasked with violating the Constitution, they think twice and dont do it. and i hope that a good percentage of cops are guys like us, but from my experience it is NOT that way.
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How do I Say this....
My experience with local police today is more confrontational then I remember lets say when I was a young adult of 18 or so.
I am 55 and I have had a few run-in's with local LEO's. When I say run-ins I do not mean because I have been unlawful- That has never happened I mean when I question them or there authority.
Here are two examples that may help to explain my point better then I am doing so far.
1975:
My buddy and I were driving from Bucks County, PA to the Tower Theater in Upper Darby, PA. for a concert. You have to drive through Philly to get there or take the train. My buddy and I took my 1966 Cutless and we got lost. We ended up going down a one way street the wrong way in Germantown. Well a cop car pulled us over.
Because there was a aroma of pot in the air and a few roaches in the ash tray the Philly cops searched the car. Upon searching my Buick they found a single shot .22 in the truck. They asked me what I was doing with the .22 and I told them it was my squirrel rifle and I was hunting earlier in the day and forgot it was there. I pointed to my game vest with the hunting license firmly attached to the back.
They were very polite; told us how to get back on track and let us go. No fuss no muss.
2010:
The state is building a new bridge about 300 yards south of were we live. Even though it is south of us it is still affecting our neighborhood. One day I was going to work and was stopped by a local police officer due to the bridge. The traffic backed up behind me as my neighbors where trying to go to work. Many were mom's trying to get their kids to the bus stop up on the main road.
Well 10 minutes or so went by and I rolled down my window and motioned for the police officer to come over to my window. He ignored me. So I said, "Officer, What is the hold up? We have to go to work and some mom's in line here have to get their kids up to the school bust stop."
Well he walked over to me and started to give me some lip. Of course being old JohnyMac I told him that if he didn't let us pass pronto I was going to file a charge of false imprisonment with the Chief. Well he then went nuts on me. He demanded my drivers license. I asked him what he needed that for? He told me I had no right to question him, etc, blah, etc, blah.
I looked at his name badge and said, "Officer XYZ. My name is Johnxyz and please have Chief XYZ call me this morning when he gets a chance. He has my phone number." I then rolled up my window and would not converse or give him eye contact.
Well due to impatience, the cars behind me started to beep and the bridge construction crew gave the OKay and the police officer waved us on.
Well later that afternoon I got a call from Chief XYZ who told me that Officer XYZ was very upset with me.
I told my story to the Chief who just laughed and then apologised for his newest officer on the force. He told me that the officer was fresh out of the sandbox and the states police academy. He also told me that the officer would be coming by that evening to apologize.
Well true to the Chiefs word Officer XYZ did come around and apologise. We have seen each other umpteen times since then and chatted. The officer actually bought me a cup of Dunken Donuts coffee a couple of weeks ago after we passed some time in line.
My point is: I had the gumption to not put up with the BS that this officer was laying down. Would the average sheeple? What right did the police officer have to talk to me that way. How could he have not allowed the situation to escalate? Just some thoughts and comments. Can I rely on this Police officer doing the right thing in a stressful situation?
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The paradoxical truth (IMO):
"Those who's life long goal is to be a cop, usually end up being the worst for the job."
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Our Sheriffs Office has recieved hundreds of military surplus m16's. Most law enforcment have to buy their own rifles. This provides us with a great tool for the job. All gun fighters need the best equipment they can get, especially those who have to respond to active shooters. The only difference between these rifles and non NFA weapons are the full auto capabilities and the fact that it doesnt cost anything but shipping. Full auto is for fun and spraying through vietnam jungles. Law enfocment isnt getting ready for war in any jungle. The fact these rifles are being issued to local law enforcment agencies is amazing. THese grants are provided by homeland security, and only cost the shipping to ship. After someone uses deadly force here in Georgia the Crime Lab keeps whatever gun in storage forever, you never get your gun back even cops and department weapons. As a leo myself, using these guns provided help finacially. This is a positive thing, cops need guns and the best we can provide. C:-)
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all we can hope for is that if they are in the position where they are tasked with violating the Constitution, they think twice and dont do it. and i hope that a good percentage of cops are guys like us, but from my experience it is NOT that way.
Your rights are determined by the United States Supreme Court nowdays, NOT the Constitution. This being said, law enforcment would never accept any ruleing requiring us to ,"TAKE ARE GUNS!". THis would be done by the Military using FEMA policies and precedures, not some poor bastard you've been preparing to kill in your driveway.
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[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html[/url] ([url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html[/url])
Fuck this.
Also, check out the quote about 3/4 down the page. That's the kind of mentality I'm afraid of.
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Good old brain washing Liberal Media bullshit, believe every word like the other sheep.
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[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html[/url] ([url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html[/url])
Fuck this.
Also, check out the quote about 3/4 down the page. That's the kind of mentality I'm afraid of.
The guy being quoted used to be LAPD Police Chief. He is a real leftist and anti-gunner. He can turn facts around to suite his own interests with little remorse he should be a pundit on tv.
By the way he is also a GLOCK fanboy!!!
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[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html[/url] ([url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/20/local-cops-ready-for-war-with-homeland-security-funded-military-weapons.html[/url])
Fuck this.
Also, check out the quote about 3/4 down the page. That's the kind of mentality I'm afraid of.
The guy being quoted used to be LAPD Police Chief. He is a real leftist and anti-gunner. He can turn facts around to suite his own interests with little remorse he should be a pundit on tv.
By the way he is also a GLOCK fanboy!!!
Not only that "chief" positions are appointed by the Mayor. THey are not Law Enforcment they are FUCKING college bread Crimminal Justice Majors with no idea how anything works in the real world. There is a reason he "USED" to be a Chief.
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Ok, so they have all this stuff. But can they actually USE it effectively? Watch the video of the Jose Gurrera raid. Being with SWAT is still a far cry from the military.
It is very true that equipment is no substitute for training, So hopefully their department will get a Great DTO and train Train TRAIN!
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THis would be done by the Military using FEMA policies and precedures, not some poor bastard you've been preparing to kill in your driveway.
LOL! I was wondering when the Reb would jump in. Glad you did! For myself, I'm not looking to kill any poor bastard in my driveway that isn't looking to kill me.
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They aren't even close to ready. From what I see they suffer from both a mall ninja like mentality regarding equipment and I believe their training not only will make them easier targets but seriously degrade unit survivability if they square up against anything other than the local criminals. They seriously need to grasp enfilade vs defilade to survive even barely competent tactics.
I also suspect the mentality that most but not all have as evidenced by referring to any one not in law enforcement as civilians will come back and bite them in the ass when they "find" that special and ready "Civilian" who's kicked more doors and taken more fire than their whole dept.
Wanted to edit one word in my post so this seems to work.
WE are honored to have an expert like yourself give your expert opinion based on a single picture. You must be amazing to have the skills to be able to measure the abilities of these officers AND the totality of circumstances based on a single Media artical and picture. We are honored. "bows"
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all we can hope for is that if they are in the position where they are tasked with violating the Constitution, they think twice and dont do it. and i hope that a good percentage of cops are guys like us, but from my experience it is NOT that way.
Your rights are determined by the United States Supreme Court nowdays, NOT the Constitution. This being said, law enforcment would never accept any ruleing requiring us to ,"TAKE ARE GUNS!". THis would be done by the Military using FEMA policies and precedures, not some poor bastard you've been preparing to kill in your driveway.
sad thing is your right nowadays.....there are several state/federal laws have trumped any every part of the Constitution that actually protects our freedom, liberty, and security. and leos just love it...
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THis would be done by the Military using FEMA policies and precedures, not some poor bastard you've been preparing to kill in your driveway.
LOL! I was wondering when the Reb would jump in. Glad you did! For myself, I'm not looking to kill any poor bastard in my driveway that isn't looking to kill me.
Hehe, nice response. 8) I like it
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all we can hope for is that if they are in the position where they are tasked with violating the Constitution, they think twice and dont do it. and i hope that a good percentage of cops are guys like us, but from my experience it is NOT that way.
Your rights are determined by the United States Supreme Court nowdays, NOT the Constitution. This being said, law enforcment would never accept any ruleing requiring us to ,"TAKE ARE GUNS!". THis would be done by the Military using FEMA policies and precedures, not some poor bastard you've been preparing to kill in your driveway.
sad thing is your right nowadays.....there are several state/federal laws have trumped any every part of the Constitution that actually protects our freedom, liberty, and security. and leos just love it...
Do note, I didn't say it was the right thing, it's just the Blue Pill of Todays world. Have fun swallowing it society...
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all we can hope for is that if they are in the position where they are tasked with violating the Constitution, they think twice and dont do it. and i hope that a good percentage of cops are guys like us, but from my experience it is NOT that way.
Your rights are determined by the United States Supreme Court nowdays, NOT the Constitution. This being said, law enforcment would never accept any ruleing requiring us to ,"TAKE ARE GUNS!". THis would be done by the Military using FEMA policies and precedures, not some poor bastard you've been preparing to kill in your driveway.
sad thing is your right nowadays.....there are several state/federal laws have trumped any every part of the Constitution that actually protects our freedom, liberty, and security. and leos just love it...
Some cops love it, some civilians love it just like the cops. Blame your neighbors too.
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Rebelac7 what percentage of your department would you say is ex military. Here the department is probably close to 35%, maybe a little higher.
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Rebelac7 what percentage of your department would you say is ex military. Here the department is probably close to 35%, maybe a little higher.
lower that 35% I think, our training Deparment is Amazing. It is run by ex military individuals and our Sheriff spares no expense on training. Law Enfocment is evolving on the local level. The State level is still behind 30 years, the federal level is apparently so far behind, they are training before the constitution was writen.
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just how many active shooter, or terrorist sits. have we had in this country in the last 10 years? 4, 5? so we need 'peace officers' that resemble military raiding parties? with all those surplus m16s (that the public has to jump through hoops to get) and how are these 'peace officers' being trained to target people they suspect as terrorists? because i wear my Mjolnir i am profiled as a terrorist, i carry a Constitution, same thing, i dont like being taxed 7-ways from suday, you got it same thing.....
now can you tell me how many leos filter out the bullcrap the DHS spits in regards to who is a terrorist?
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just how many active shooter, or terrorist sits. have we had in this country in the last 10 years? 4, 5? so we need 'peace officers' that resemble military raiding parties? with all those surplus m16s (that the public has to jump through hoops to get) and how are these 'peace officers' being trained to target people they suspect as terrorists? because i wear my Mjolnir i am profiled as a terrorist, i carry a Constitution, same thing, i dont like being taxed 7-ways from suday, you got it same thing.....
now can you tell me how many leos filter out the bullcrap the DHS spits in regards to who is a terrorist?
You're just pissed about those m1's they won't bring back from Korea. :) Me too!
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Ok, so they have all this stuff. But can they actually USE it effectively? Watch the video of the Jose Gurrera raid. Being with SWAT is still a far cry from the military.
Very true
Active shooters happen all the fucking Time everywhere, it's getting worse. Just this year I was envolved in 2.
http://privateofficernews.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/three-men-captured-after-shooting-at-ga-state-troopers-www-privateofficer-com/ (http://privateofficernews.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/three-men-captured-after-shooting-at-ga-state-troopers-www-privateofficer-com/)
The other I can talk about yet. Im not even any special force with our department. All deputies at our department are trained the same swat is. SWAT is only called out in special circumstances that are contained. Even our Jail Deputies are required to take Rifle classes and we have 40 hours every year we train at schools with EVERY division at our department. The training is room clearing, school clearing. WE have real life scenarios and use the NIMS system to coordinate our acts. Its really fun and we learn a lot about our gear and our weapons. It also helps boost multi division morale and cooperation because of friendships developed. During these scenarions we use all law enforcment agencies and municipalities of our county. Its a fast pace. I can't speak for other deparments but there are several that are better in training than us. From my views on both sides of the field, shit is getting real and for the better.
Here is a local college we use for active shooters, I could research and list all the shootings this year, but you have Google.com just like me.
http://www.highlands.edu/campus/publications/sixmilepost/Archives/Nov_2007/frontpage.htm (http://www.highlands.edu/campus/publications/sixmilepost/Archives/Nov_2007/frontpage.htm)
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just how many active shooter, or terrorist sits. have we had in this country in the last 10 years? 4, 5? so we need 'peace officers' that resemble military raiding parties? with all those surplus m16s (that the public has to jump through hoops to get) and how are these 'peace officers' being trained to target people they suspect as terrorists? because i wear my Mjolnir i am profiled as a terrorist, i carry a Constitution, same thing, i dont like being taxed 7-ways from suday, you got it same thing.....
now can you tell me how many leos filter out the bullcrap the DHS spits in regards to who is a terrorist?
Turn off CNN, get on google and type in "shooting 2011" in google. As for the "Loop holes" its a grant, we received 200 rifles for the price of shipping... taxed.. right. As for your "terrorist" rant, were not TSA, CNN lied to you sir.
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just how many active shooter, or terrorist sits. have we had in this country in the last 10 years? 4, 5? so we need 'peace officers' that resemble military raiding parties? with all those surplus m16s (that the public has to jump through hoops to get) and how are these 'peace officers' being trained to target people they suspect as terrorists? because i wear my Mjolnir i am profiled as a terrorist, i carry a Constitution, same thing, i dont like being taxed 7-ways from suday, you got it same thing.....
now can you tell me how many leos filter out the bullcrap the DHS spits in regards to who is a terrorist?
The DHS isnt the propaganda masters, The department of justice is and we told them how wrong they were.
http://www.daily-tribune.com/view/full_story/15918647/article-Tensions-flare-in-cultural-awareness-training?instance=most_popular (http://www.daily-tribune.com/view/full_story/15918647/article-Tensions-flare-in-cultural-awareness-training?instance=most_popular)
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just how many active shooter, or terrorist sits. have we had in this country in the last 10 years? 4, 5? so we need 'peace officers' that resemble military raiding parties? with all those surplus m16s (that the public has to jump through hoops to get) and how are these 'peace officers' being trained to target people they suspect as terrorists? because i wear my Mjolnir i am profiled as a terrorist, i carry a Constitution, same thing, i dont like being taxed 7-ways from suday, you got it same thing.....
now can you tell me how many leos filter out the bullcrap the DHS spits in regards to who is a terrorist?
Turn off CNN, get on google and type in "shooting 2011" in google. As for the "Loop holes" its a grant, we received 200 rifles for the price of shipping... taxed.. right. As for your "terrorist" rant, were not TSA, CNN lied to you sir.
i dont watch CNN i read my news, another 'trait' according to the DHS....
and do local police depts. not get DHS training?
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Were those guys drunk. Why did the shoot at the SUV or the trooper? Were they illegals? Evidently they decided to stop shooting because they were arrested without any bullet holes in them. What were the machine guns the cops were carrying, AR's?
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goodnightChesty1775 quit busting on Rebelac7. He's been pretty up front on his views and I see no problem with him. I like having a cop's input on subjects like this. Ask all of the questions you want, just don't use an accusing approach. If you are concerned about him might I suggest you just stay out of Georgia and you should be good to go. :)
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goodnightChesty1775 quit busting on Rebelac7. He's been pretty up front on his views and I see no problem with him. I like having a cop's input on subjects like this. Ask all of the questions you want, just don't use an accusing approach. If you are concerned about him might I suggest you just stay out of Georgia and you should be good to go. :)
Were those guys drunk. Why did the shoot at the SUV or the trooper? Were they illegals? Evidently they decided to stop shooting because they were arrested without any bullet holes in them. What were the machine guns the cops were carrying, AR's?
They were riding around shooting at random cars, the trooper got behind them. They were using shit guns .380's and stupid shit. The trooper was ambushed in a L shape when he wrecked them. We surrounded the entire tree area within minutes. It was a multi jursidictional effort between Bartow and Cherokee county. The "machine Guns" were just M16s provided to us through a grant by homeland security, we paid shipping. Every Deputy here is issued one after he had completed the proper training. They droped their guns after within seconds of their ambush and ran like cowards because of all the law enforcment presence. Was really well executed, and we didnt have to kill them to bring them to justice. The next day the judge denied their bond, they were illegals. They were on drugs. They will be deported after they serve their prison sentence.
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I am reading an interesting book called Unintended Consequences by John Ross.
It's an interesting read so far as it looks at our gun laws up through the 20th century...I am at the NFA of '68 now.
Basically up to the NFA of '34 any citizen could own any kind of weapon.
The theory is, after prohibition the government had all of those Treasury agents sitting around and rather then lay them off the NFA of '34 was passed. To own a machine gun, sawed off shotgun, etc. you had to pay $200- and get a stamp per weapon. This new law was enforced by the Treasury Department.
The government passed it using the excuse that it would stop gangsters from using certain weapons. It is believed that in actuality it was passed to keep the "G" men employed post prohibition. Now you know as well as I do, old Al Capone would have had no problem paying $200- for the right to own a Tommy gun but the average citizen couldn't afford that. Mmmmmm?
Many judges post the NFA '34 felt the law was unconstitutional and when a person was brought before the judge on gun charges, (Owning a machine gun without the prepaid $200 stamp as an example) and if the gun was standard issue in the military, they would throw the case out.
Some of these lower court decisions were challenged by the Treasury Department but many were not. The judges used the logic that the Second Amendment to the Constitution states that: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. . So if the military used a weapon and a citizen could afford it, they could own it.
In the book, I am now at the NFA of '68. I will fill you in once I read those chapters; However, I suspect that the '68 law was an emotional one based on JFK's assassination. More to come...
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everything i said about the DHS is a lie? use google.com.....
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everything i said about the DHS is a lie? use google.com.....
The DHS is not your enemy, they focus on Foreign AND domestic terorrism. FEMA, is unconstitutional and most likely your enemy. I dont agree with them 100% on everything, but this is an argument on why cops should of shouldnt have guns provided to them by the Government..
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Keep in mind gents: If the government gives you something there are strings attached.
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everything i said about the DHS is a lie? use google.com.....
The DHS is not your enemy, they focus on Foreign AND domestic terorrism. FEMA, is unconstitutional and most likely your enemy. I dont agree with them 100% on everything, but this is an argument on why cops should of shouldnt have guns provided to them by the Government..
I'd have a hard time buying that DHS is my friend or that they actually give two shits about my well being. They've got there fingers into every kind of citizen control out there and are not much different than the Gestapo SS in my book. Plus Fema is part of DHS and does what it's told.
I might like DHS a lot better after Obama's and his Marxists are gone and if the Agency does an about face on some of it's BS policies. Of course after the Facists get into power I might decide I like the Marxist's better.
Man, what a bitch this is turning into!
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moral of the story here, the government is the problem, the government sucks.
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moral of the story here, the government is the problem, the government sucks.
[URL=http://www.smileyvault.co I can find absolutely nothing to disagree with in that statement.
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I understand that the civilians and LEOs topic area can be a powder keg, and there have been hints of possible skirmishes here, but thus far everyone here has kept their heads and we've had a civil conversation. I just wanted to voice my appreciation. This sort of discourse, peaceful despite a touchy subject, is how this community gains respect and grows.
Now, back to our regularly unscheduled broadcasting. ;)
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moral of the story here, the government is the problem, the government sucks.
There is always room for improvment; HOwever, I wouldn't want to live anywhere but in the United States. Compared to the rest of the world's government, it's not so bad. (http://www.smileyvault.co I can find absolutely nothing to disagree with in that statement.
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just how many active shooter, or terrorist sits. have we had in this country in the last 10 years? 4, 5? so we need 'peace officers' that resemble military raiding parties? with all those surplus m16s (that the public has to jump through hoops to get) and how are these 'peace officers' being trained to target people they suspect as terrorists? because i wear my Mjolnir i am profiled as a terrorist, i carry a Constitution, same thing, i dont like being taxed 7-ways from suday, you got it same thing.....
now can you tell me how many leos filter out the bullcrap the DHS spits in regards to who is a terrorist?
Turn off CNN, get on google and type in "shooting 2011" in google. As for the "Loop holes" its a grant, we received 200 rifles for the price of shipping... taxed.. right. As for your "terrorist" rant, were not TSA, CNN lied to you sir.
i dont watch CNN i read my news, another 'trait' according to the DHS....
and do local police depts. not get DHS training?
The only training we recieve from DHS is FEMA and NIMS, both are based on DIsasters.
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There is always room for improvment; HOwever, I wouldn't want to live anywhere but in the United States. Compared to the rest of the world's government, it's not so bad.
I can't disagree with that statement. There are some real hell holes out there. But I think the only reason that's true is that the Constitution is still on display and most citizens of all political persuasions are a little testy about Government sticking it's nose in every aspect of our lives.
I have no doubts that if the political powers who have been entrusted with control of our government over the past decade had their way the Constitution ( Just a piece of paper, Bush you suck) would have been burned years ago and we would be just another backwater police state country. They've durn sure been working their butts off to create just that.
Wonder what they'll do next in their quest for total control.
Bomb Iran (Paul Shanklin) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iKuMVqht4U#)
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At you Rebelac7. I painted with a broad brush and jumped on the generalization bandwagon, you have a job I would want no part of and probably would not show proper restraint in. You have an apology from me with a few observations.
I have seen law enforcement change from that guy in blue who you could always go to if in need or who would catch you being stupid and bring you home for a proper whipping
I've watched it change into a mass of legal procedures that police have to follow due to a mess of a justice system and liability concerns.
And in some cases I've seen it become a revenue generating arm and job provider for lawyers and judges of the local government.
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Keep in mind gents: If the government gives you something there are strings attached.
True! but the gov has for gotten that there are strings attached to that which we give them. I think at some point those strings will have to be tugged as a reminder of who works for who in this country.
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I have seen law enforcement change from that guy in blue who you could always go to if in need or who would catch you being stupid and bring you home for a proper whipping
I've watched it change into a mass of legal procedures that police have to follow due to a mess of a justice system and liability concerns.
And in some cases I've seen it become a revenue generating arm and job provider for lawyers and judges of the local government.
Man, I keep coming across posts that I agree with. Even when they are on opposite sides of the same issue. I must be a flip flopper or something. LOL! :)
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all we can hope for is that if they are in the position where they are tasked with violating the Constitution, they think twice and dont do it. and i hope that a good percentage of cops are guys like us, but from my experience it is NOT that way.
Your rights are determined by the United States Supreme Court nowdays, NOT the Constitution. This being said, law enforcment would never accept any ruleing requiring us to ,"TAKE ARE GUNS!". THis would be done by the Military using FEMA policies and precedures, not some poor bastard you've been preparing to kill in your driveway.
sad thing is your right nowadays.....there are several state/federal laws have trumped any every part of the Constitution that actually protects our freedom, liberty, and security. and leos just love it...
Do note, I didn't say it was the right thing, it's just the Blue Pill of Todays world. Have fun swallowing it society...
i took the red pill... the blue one stank like shit and was dripping with seimen... it was an easy choice to swallow the red pill instead.
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I feel that the RIGHT LEO's need and deserve the good guns to shoot back with...but unfoutunatly, generally speaking the guys in uniform today cant be trusted with the weapons they have been given. they have been taught by people who dont have our best interest in mind. so i guess lets not blame the dog for biting lets blame the owner for poor training of the dog. fix the owner and you fix the problem.
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I feel that the RIGHT LEO's need and deserve the good guns to shoot back with...but unfoutunatly, generally speaking the guys in uniform today cant be trusted with the weapons they have been given. they have been taught by people who dont have our best interest in mind. so i guess lets not blame the dog for biting lets blame the owner for poor training of the dog. fix the owner and you fix the problem.
First they were fuzz, then they were pigs, now it seems they're dogs. Have you ever considered there might be reasons on both sides for the "us against them" mentality both sides seem to display.
I pretty much feel that cops are like everyone else and deserve to be judged individually. I personally know some cops that are great guys. I also personally know some cops that power tripping assholes. Just like all Americans in general, you have good people and you have people whose mental thought processes are corrupted in one way or another.
Support your local Peace Officer, unless he proves himself to be a power junkie prick who demands respect but doesn't give it in return. Just like everyone else, some are good, some are bad. And just like everything else, the bad behavior by some seems to get noticed more than the good ones do.
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Listen up gents, all that matters is #4 buck at six feet will disrupt any plate given.
" Good " or bad, aim true put your man down.
When/If it happens to me, I know I don't do anything illegal. So I have nothing to worry about, other than. Any given reason Big sis has to say. I've been deployed. I've bought a firearm, I have a copy of the constitution. I'm the bad guy.
Like I said.
" Good " or bad put your man down.
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I feel that the RIGHT LEO's need and deserve the good guns to shoot back with...but unfoutunatly, generally speaking the guys in uniform today cant be trusted with the weapons they have been given. they have been taught by people who dont have our best interest in mind. so i guess lets not blame the dog for biting lets blame the owner for poor training of the dog. fix the owner and you fix the problem.
Exactly, so the next election you need to send emails to the canidates and ask them what they plan to do about poor training.
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The Local PD and I are in an arms race. lol
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I feel that the RIGHT LEO's need and deserve the good guns to shoot back with...but unfoutunatly, generally speaking the guys in uniform today cant be trusted with the weapons they have been given. they have been taught by people who dont have our best interest in mind. so i guess lets not blame the dog for biting lets blame the owner for poor training of the dog. fix the owner and you fix the problem.
First they were fuzz, then they were pigs, now it seems they're dogs. Have you ever considered there might be reasons on both sides for the "us against them" mentality both sides seem to display.
I pretty much feel that cops are like everyone else and deserve to be judged individually. I personally know some cops that are great guys. I also personally know some cops that power tripping assholes. Just like all Americans in general, you have good people and you have people whose mental thought processes are corrupted in one way or another.
Support your local Peace Officer, unless he proves himself to be a power junkie prick who demands respect but doesn't give it in return. Just like everyone else, some are good, some are bad. And just like everything else, the bad behavior by some seems to get noticed more than the good ones do.
Yep my best friend ive known for 8 years is a LEO. hes a great guy. but generally speaking your average LEO is on that power trip. they went through the academy of how to be a powertripping asshole so its hard to expect them to come out any different.
some do though and yes we need to judge that individually not as a whole. but that dosent mean get bit by every dog you meet to see if hes a nice dog or not. have reservations and stay on your toes.
and the dog comments are just an analogy im not saying that LEO's are scum or dirt or anything.
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and the dog comments are just an analogy im not saying that LEO's are scum or dirt or anything.
I agree...I wouldn't want to disrespect dogs like that. >:D
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The DHS is not your enemy
Im sorry rebelac but that is where you are completely incorrect.
DHS is as unconstitutional as unconstitutional gets, more 9/11 reactionary tyranny.
I am not a fan.
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The DHS is not your enemy
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Who would have guessed... mention the DHS and people are getting pissed off. Why don't we keep the initials to ourselves guys. Also from now on cannibalism will be refered to as canni'd goods.
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Who would have guessed... mention the DHS and people are getting pissed off. Why don't we keep the initials to ourselves guys. Also from now on cannibalism will be refered to as canni'd goods.
/that is all. Merry Xmas!
Holy shit... 505th lives.
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