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Offline sledge

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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2013, 12:51:46 PM »
WW, I wish that we had been smart enough to see what the Communists were doing starting from back in the 60's.  Some would say from back in the 30's.  You are right, it would take several decades to undo what they have been quietly putting into place in our society.  Just as it would take several decades to remove what they have put into place.

You're idea of letting it publically be known that the marcher's guns were all unloaded would be a benefit if anything went hot.  How to do that would be the question?  And even then, in a psyop, someone would still be carrying loaded in order to complete their mission.   Maybe someone from a rooftop.

We don't have any control over what will take place on July 4th.  We can only get ready as best we can for whatever may happen. 

Edit:  I should qualify my communist statement.  Not all people who are communists realize that they are, or belong to the communist party.  They simply see themselves as supporting a more centralized government.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2013, 01:06:54 PM »
Ken, I don't even know the guy.

I am just suggesting that it should be done the way I suggested.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2013, 01:07:39 PM »
Im not the biggest history buff so dont bite my head off if i make errors. But would America exist today if the colonists hadnt made a physical stance with loaded guns in hand?
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2013, 01:27:28 PM »
Quote from: Kentactic on May 07, 2013, 01:07:39 PM
Im not the biggest history buff so dont bite my head off if i make errors. But would America exist today if the colonists hadnt made a physical stance with loaded guns in hand?

Ken, you are correct.  There was tension between the colonists and England that was increasing.  When the British tried to unarm the Colonists in Concorde.   It was someone there, either British or colonist, that fired the round that sent the conflict hot. 

If that hadn't occurred the United States probably wouldn't have ever been formed.  But it was only a great deal of luck, arrogance on the part of the British, the French, and some including myself would say, an act of God in order for the state of Israel to be reformed, that the United States ever grew out of that first fired shot in Concorde.

Washington was getting his ass kicked time and again until he caught the Hessians sleeping.  That one victory enabled the army to continue.

This situation today has some similarities.  But it also has a lot of differences.  Our greatest weapon is our minds.  As you mentioned earlier.  Guns are only steel objects.  I could be wrong, I'm not perfect, and certainly nowhere near the man that Washington was.  But I think we should use our greatest weapon before we put steel objects to use.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2013, 01:52:39 PM »
Good idea bad idea doesn't matter it's ganna happen even with most likely less than 1k people.


Question is, what are you going to do about it?
What are you going to do if nothing is made of it?
What are you going to do if it comes to the worst?

Like I said I'm not ready yet. But bring it on regardless, I can figure things out on the low.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2013, 02:12:09 PM »
Quote from: Reaver on May 07, 2013, 01:52:39 PM
Good idea bad idea doesn't matter it's ganna happen even with most likely less than 1k people.


Question is, what are you going to do about it?
What are you going to do if nothing is made of it?
What are you going to do if it comes to the worst?

Like I said I'm not ready yet. But bring it on regardless, I can figure things out on the low.

I really can't or won't say.  But I'd wager that at the top of my list would be calling my local Sheriff's office to file a report that all of my guns and ammo had just been stolen by a no doubt right wing extremist while I was out of town.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2013, 02:17:50 PM »
At 1k marchers, that is no where near enough. Such a march would literally have to turn out a million, at least, for any real desired effect. If there one thing the left is good at is getting people to turn out to protests on a national level. There are lessons to be learned from that, and new tactics devised.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2013, 03:12:40 PM »
The left brings out lots of people for protests because they never carry guns. Theres little to no risk involved in screaming and chanting. With little risk comes little reward. All the protesting theyve done has gotten them nowhere. Plus dont forget the left is in control of most universities. I wouldnt be suprised if they got extra credit for going to protests. The left is also a younger group generally. Younger people feel froggier.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2013, 03:53:59 PM »
Ken, no offense, but those are just excuses to not do anything. What are the collective 'we' doing to do turn-out people to support the cause? There are valuable lesson from the anti-war protests and Occupy to what 'we' should be doing to further the cause of freedom. My longtime view that those from the right are more content to sit back, play armchair warrior, pull whatever lever the GOP says to; rather than get out of the easy chair and hit the streets, seems to be truer each day. We are way to reliant on a top-down power structures, expecting to get our marching orders from those at the top, usually to the detriment to us and to the benefit of those giving the orders. The world is too complicated and interconnected to base views on the old and limited left vs. right paradigm.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2013, 04:18:29 PM »
Quote from: crudos on May 07, 2013, 03:53:59 PM
Ken, no offense, but those are just excuses to not do anything. What are the collective 'we' doing to do turn-out people to support the cause? There are valuable lesson from the anti-war protests and Occupy to what 'we' should be doing to further the cause of freedom. My longtime view that those from the right are more content to sit back, play armchair warrior, pull whatever lever the GOP says to; rather than get out of the easy chair and hit the streets, seems to be truer each day. We are way to reliant on a top-down power structures, expecting to get our marching orders from those at the top, usually to the detriment to us and to the benefit of those giving the orders. The world is too complicated and interconnected to base views on the old and limited left vs. right paradigm.

I think you missunderstood me Crudos. I agree with everything you said here. Im in full support of Adams event. I have more faith that i can run on water if i could just hit 25mph then i have in the voting procedure getting anything done. You better believe id be marching with adam if it was 2,000 miles closer.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2013, 04:20:28 PM »
Ken, I think I slipped into *rant* mode there a bit. Wasn't poking at you.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2013, 04:22:15 PM »
Quote from: crudos on May 07, 2013, 04:20:28 PM
Ken, I think I slipped into *rant* mode there a bit. Wasn't poking at you.


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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2013, 04:26:13 PM »
Id go as far as to say 1000 armed men sends a more powerful message then 10,000 helpless sheep screaming for more grass.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2013, 05:40:01 PM »
Quote from: Kentactic on May 07, 2013, 04:26:13 PM
Id go as far as to say 1000 armed men sends a more powerful message then 10,000 helpless sheep screaming for more grass.


 [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co Definitely true. Only problem is I still see is someone being planted in the peaceful crowd to start chaos. They do believe in "order out of chaos" after all.  ::) Best advice I can give on the march is that for every gun owner marching there should be two individuals with cameras trained on them, every roof top, and every LEO or military officers. I also believe every gun owner should have an unloaded firearm, but I don't think it should be advertised. That's key.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2013, 06:31:19 PM »
Look up the "Bonus Army."
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2013, 08:28:17 PM »
Quote from: JohnyMac on May 07, 2013, 06:31:19 PM
Look up the "Bonus Army."


I just love how wikipedia has under "See also" the Occupy Movement along with Tiananmen Square.  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at  I didn't realize smoking pot, shitting on cop cars, and having public sex were of the same caliber.
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Re: July 4th 2013
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Re: July 4th 2013
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2013, 10:35:04 PM »
3,000 already signed up. This might not be a flop after all. Is the government going to be out gunned or will they be waiting at the bridge in the thousands?
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2013, 02:57:23 AM »
One of those that signed up is pretty active with LA Liberty HQ but I kinda doubt he'll show up. I think alot of people saying they are going are just trying to show support but arent gonna make the effort. Just my .02.
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2013, 02:26:20 PM »
Oath Keepers sez Adam Kokesh is a anarchist ... plot thickens
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2013, 04:30:08 PM »
Oath keepers... Ha!....
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Re: July 4th 2013
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2013, 12:38:23 AM »
While there have been a lot of good points made here, and I'm not going to get into arguments, or pissing contests, I just figured I'd put in my .02. I have no problem with this march. I mean, we are always talking about our 2nd Amendment right, and how our founding fathers had it. I couldn't see any of them having a problem carrying a loaded firearm in D.C., or anywhere, for that matter. If we have a Second Amendment right, we have a Second Amendment right. We shouldn't be claiming we have a right to keep and bear arms, if we have to qualify it by saying, "well, as long as we're not in city limits, and my magazine only has 7 rounds, and I have a state issued permit, and my coat is covering, or not covering it. If we have to do all that, then we don't have a right to keep and bear arms, it's already been infringed upon enough. I suggested a march just like this to my friends, long before this guy came up with it. Like I said, I can see points made by both sides, so I'm not going to argue about it. Just thought I'd give my reasons for not having a problem with it. Have a good one!
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Re: July 4th 2013
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2013, 12:47:00 AM »
Open Carry March on DC July 4th


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