July 4th 2013

[WhiteWolfReloaded]

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwyn-williams-jr/radio-host-lead-armed-march-dc-july-4th-put-govt-notice-we-wont-be

Now, call me crazy, but some how I don't think this is going to go well. A bunch of finger on the trigger nationalist stomping down Pennsylvania Ave. with loaded guns will undoubtedly lead to some sort of clamp down. Not to mention it's probably playing right in to Obama's agenda.  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at Rather than 1,000 they need about 1,000,000 to show for any positive affect.

[CrystalHunter1989]

No joke. This is probably the worst idea I've heard in a long time. There's a lot of controversy around the guy who's leading the march, which I won't elaborate on here. It hardly fits the definition of civil disobedience. Why not offer something more productive, like offer free training classes?

[crudos]

Where's the face palm meme? This event needs one stat!  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

[Outonowhere]

All it takes is 1 shot... and it doesn't even have to come from either sides participants...

Of course that is if there isn't another "event" set right at home in a Hollywood movie that gives the gov the excuse they need to tighten the noose just a bit more.

[WhiteWolfReloaded]

My thing is Kokesh is an opportunist who'll do some asinine shit to attract attention. Loaded firearms with Kokesh as a primer is a highly dangerous situation. I can already see the tear gas canisters rolling down the road, MRAPS, and snipers on every roof. This is like my greatest fear coming to fruition. If you don't know what I'm talking about take a good hard look at what political lines have been drawn over in the EU. This is the problem with liberalism, socialism, and communism. They will always breed nationalist. The trick is, and I'll shamefully admit, I have no idea how we exit that cycle to return to an honest republic with limited government and empowered citizens. 

[crudos]

The trick is, and I'll shamefully admit, I have no idea how we exit that cycle to return to an honest republic with limited government and empowered citizens. 

Return from something that has never happened? From my view of history, we've never had this in this nation. It's an utopian paradise, much like anything other political sides has dreamed about since the dawn of mankind.

[sledge]

I don't see this as working out well.  1) Obama will use it to create a crises.  2) Politicians who voted down gun control will have second thoughts.  3) After WWI, Mcarthur and Patton were among those in charge of using the military in an operation to clear veterans out of Washington when they marched to complain about a lack of benefits.  It was a blood bath.  With this advance notice you know that the military will be on standby if not in the streets. 

This is a really stupid idea.

[special-k]

Open Carry March on Washington Independence Day 2013

AVTM on Alex Jones: Armed March on DC July 4th #OpenCarry130704

[Reaver]

Let um go. Wars gotta start somewhere

[Grudgie]

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[Outonowhere]

Let um go. Wars gotta start somewhere

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Problem is, like I said before.  Who is it that they will at least claim that fired the first shot?  Or will there be enough open eyes watching that they cannot pass such deceit to but those good little Marxists?

[Reaver]

Who cares who fires the first shot. Do we really know who fired it at concord?

I think it'll square itself away. I know I'm not ready yet, I'm still perfecting my new skill 

[WhiteWolfReloaded]

Who cares who fires the first shot. Do we really know who fired it at concord?

I think it'll square itself away. I know I'm not ready yet, I'm still perfecting my new skill 

  God, Reaver, you worry me some days. 

[Kentactic]

I say good for them. Its about damn time someone uses the 2nd to make their 1st heard. Im sick of all this pussy unarmed mace you in the face and laugh at you protests. I see no way this can be a negative event for Americans. If they march uncontested then others will see hope. If they all go down in a hail of gunfire then we know whats next.

[thatGuy]

Do you know how I can tell this is a shit idea? Because it is so obviously a shit idea.

Does this Kokesh dude have a plan to get these boys asses back out of the sling he is going to put them in? No?

So he is going to put his supporters in a bad way with no means of defending themselves other than to build and fill their own coffins?

Poor leadership in spades my friends. Now if he had a QRF standing by, a good comm network with physical backups like messangers and a FUCKING PLAN it might be a different story but as it stands these boys are being led into a turkey shoot.

[Kentactic]

Well TG he has made it clear that if he is physically obstructed he will turn around. But we dont know what he has setup. It wouldnt be smart tactics to list your entire capabilities for everyone to see. A protest with loaded guns is better then anything ive seen the entire time ive been awake. It feels American for once. You know with his background hell have at the least a full squad of capable trained men.

[sledge]

As mentioned earlier, this is a bad idea.  I mentioned what happened to the WWI veterans who marched on Washington.  This will be a repeat of what happened then.  Only the WWI veterans weren't armed.  How do you think this March will turn out?

Here's a propaganda video:

WORLD WAR I VETERANS MARCH ON WASHINGTON

http://www.dailypaul.com/97314/federal-troops-attack-veterans-marching-in-dc

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/snprelief4.htm

http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/bonusm.htm

[Reaver]

It's not like he's assaulting either. He's just strolling through to make a point. Having QRF is a bad idea cause it will illustrate hostile intentions and lead to a fight. We still don't want that.

[sledge]

What bothers me about this whole thing is the smell of a psyop.  I say that because this is precisely the type of thing that Obama's  administration people have wet dreams over.

I could expand on this with more detail, but here's the short version.

Armed citizens "invade" Washington.
Media blasts out over and over again that they are conservative zealots.
Military is called in to restore order.
A shot is fired that is heard around the world and a blood bath begins.
Gun control and confiscation is put in place to prevent this from happening again.
Across the nation anyone saying anything against Government actions of any kind is accused of sedition and taken into custody.
Obama is reelected into perpetuity.



 

[Kentactic]

I sincerely hope you guys just dont like Adam Kokesh personally so your shitting on his event. Because if your truely reluctant to walk down a street in America holding metal objects then were so fucked. Do you believe guns kill on their own or that our government is now a force we would be fools to dare mess with by exercising our constitutional rights in their presents? WTF is going on guys...

[Kentactic]

@Sledge thats the plan eventually anyways right? Should we just never resist tyranny again? If arming up and protesting is out then its either start shooting or handem over. Id like to think we can still protest somewhere in America with a gun slung proudly.

[sledge]

@Sledge thats the plan eventually anyways right? Should we just never resist tyranny again? If arming up and protesting is out then its either start shooting or handem over. Id like to think we can still protest somewhere in America with a gun slung proudly.

I am saying there are better ways to reach the same end and some of them are already being put in place.  Right now there are forces at work within the states to put an overreaching Federal Government into it's proper place.  There are growing movements within many state legislatures.  They are enacting laws and taking stances, pushing back against Federal overreach. 

That is exactly why Obama would love to see this march take place at this point.  It may come to violent conflict down the road in the not too distant future.  But that would be decision made by the states.  These marchers will cut the legs out from under a growing movement that is taking shape.

[Kentactic]

@Sledge-If exercising Constitutional rights cuts the legs out from under a movement then either i wanted it to fail or it was such a weak attempt it had no chance in the first place. Why are we so hell bent on playing the PC game with tyrrants? Do you think that if we keep our 2nd ammendment exercise to a minimum now well some how get to a point and say "haha fooled ya we love guns" ? Playing PC games is why were so fucked now.

[sledge]

@Sledge-If exercising Constitutional rights cuts the legs out from under a movement then either i wanted it to fail or it was such a weak attempt it had no chance in the first place. Why are we so hell bent on playing the PC game with tyrrants? Do you think that if we keep our 2nd ammendment exercise to a minimum now well some how get to a point and say "haha fooled ya we love guns" ? Playing PC games is why were so fucked now.

Ken, the difference between PC games and strategy is that one works.  Obama's people know strategy, they have proved that.  It would be a good idea if we did the same.  It has a lot more chance of success than marching around with a gun slung over your shoulder.  At this point in time all that will do is to help your opponent out. 

And if one of those people who are exercising their 2A rights in this march pulls a trigger you can kiss your 2A rights goodbye anyway.  There would be skirmishes across the land as guns were being confiscated, but no mass engagements that would have the effect that you are looking for.  They would be reported as "more conservative zealots" being taken into custody to protect the continuity of existing Government and protecting law abiding citizens.  All crap wrapped up in pretty paper for public consumption. 

Resistance by the states is the only way to protect and preserve the Constitution that the states created.  Any other means is doomed to failure by lack of organization.

[WhiteWolfReloaded]

Sledge- You're psyops scenario is spot on. I can already see the headlines comparing the Second Amendment rights marchers to the KKK marches of their day. Whatever lines the MSM media draws in the weeks and days will help dictate the American public's bias. Additionally one must consider a single American has being shot won't be enough to spark anything nowadays. 10? 50? 100?
Maybe  But 1,000 from either side? Now that would play right in to the hands of good ole Barry.

The argument against the Constitutional right would be argued that if citizens didn't have firearms to confront government they wouldn't be shot dead by them.

As far as tactics? I have the ONLY tactic that would work and I'll share it with you now. All guns, and I mean ALL, must be unloaded.  If they develop tactics openly it would make them appear hostile. If they develop them in secret a mole would release info undoubtedly for their own self righteous ends. However, if they walk on to the streets of Washington with unloaded firearms and even a single man is shot that news will send a vibration to the core of every American. Now Imagine 10, 50, or 100 dead by those means. Where would Barry or the MSM have grounds to stand on? Is it crazy? Slightly, but that's the difference between a martyr and just another dead man.

Last thing I want to point out is there is a way to beat this, but I don't think we have enough men with the resolve nor the time left. We simply make them stop. While Hitler as a man I believe was about as evil as they come I've come to understand he was still pretty freaking smart. We burn their books, media, movies, news, and we stop every argument of theirs dead in it's tracks with facts. So many facts their eyes and ears start to bleed from hearing it. If they don't like it they can turn right back around and return to their mommies basement. Our biggest problem in this nation is this poisonous idea of "tolerance." It's time to say we've had enough. Destroying their ideas internally and externally are the best way to do so. Like I said though, I doubt we have the time. It'd take at least two, possibly four, decades to undo their indoctrination nationally.