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Offline JohnyMac

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How do you rank the Republican field
« on: December 13, 2011, 05:00:26 PM »
So how do you rank the Republican Presidential field and why.

I will stick out my neck here and post how I rank the Republican candidates in order of my preference and why.

Santorum: Conservative, never weavers from his answers, understands how congress runs,
                    pro Bill of Rights and the US Constitution, truly wants to fix the economy by in part
                    reducing the size of government and the restrictions imposed on business

Bachmann: Conservative, never flip flops, passionate about America and fixing our economy,
                    wants smaller government, understands how congress works, pro Bill of Rights and
                    the US Constitution; I do get tired of hearing about the kids she has adopted though

Cain: Conservative, not an insider has run large businesses as CEO, former director of
                    the Fed, pro Bill of Rights and the US Constitution; often puts foot in mouth, does
                    not know how Congress works so there would be a start-up lag time

Paul:    Conservative, the only true Libertarian running, understands how congress works,
                    pro Bill of Rights and the US Constitution, would like to limit or kill the Fed, I have
                    not heard him flip flop as yet; gives some out there answers to questions, does not
                    have the respect of members of the congress, foreign policy is weak

Johnson: I haven't had the opportunity to vet him as all of the media has put him in the
                    background. Seems conservative and libertarian but I don't know, from what I have
                    read he was an outstanding governor in NM- A Democratic state

Romney: Has ran large businesses as CEO, turned the Olympics around, I feel he would
                    work hard to turn around the US economy, strong foreign policy stand, speaks well;
                    is a flip flopper, probably a right leaning moderate who watches which way the
                    political wind blows

Gingrich: Smart, very good speaker, knows how congress works so he can get things done,
                    strong foreign policy stand; his mouth is his own worst enemy, smug, a progressive-
                    Believes larger government can fix anything, pro larger government, I can't stand his
                    wife

Huntsman: Nothing good to say other then he can speak mandarin. Left leaning moderate-
                    Heck he is left of McCain.

So there you go- Let the slings and arrows follow.  :)) But more important then my list prioritized what is yours?
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2011, 06:05:50 PM »
I'm not getting into this unless someone says something that puts me into my "I just can't stop myself" mode.   :)

You guys vote for who you like.  Anyone is better than Obama.   

Gingrich for big government?  I'm not sure where that came from.  When he was speaker of the house, Clinton took credit for the downsizing of government that occurred.

I do have a question though.  If Dr. Paul gets elected do you think the congress will work with him or will he be a lame duck President resulting in a Democratic win four years later?  I'm just curious how you think a Paul win would change anything?   



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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2011, 06:36:01 PM »
My vote if he comes up on the ballot...

Johnson: I haven't had the opportunity to vet him as all of the media has put him in the
                    background. Seems conservative and libertarian but I don't know, from what I have
                    read he was an outstanding governor in NM- A Democratic state


The rest are bottom feeders, except for RP.

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2011, 06:46:19 PM »
I'm not getting into this unless someone says something that puts me into my "I just can't stop myself" mode.   :)

You guys vote for who you like.  Anyone is better than Obama.   

Gingrich for big government?  I'm not sure where that came from.  When he was speaker of the house, Clinton took credit for the downsizing of government that occurred.

I do have a question though.  If Dr. Paul gets elected do you think the congress will work with him or will he be a lame duck President resulting in a Democratic win four years later?  I'm just curious how you think a Paul win would change anything?

I would ask you how any of the other candidates besides RP would do anything other than either keep us on our current path or make it worse?
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2011, 06:52:51 PM »
I'm not getting into this unless someone says something that puts me into my "I just can't stop myself" mode.   :)

You guys vote for who you like.  Anyone is better than Obama.   

Gingrich for big government?  I'm not sure where that came from.  When he was speaker of the house, Clinton took credit for the downsizing of government that occurred.

I do have a question though.  If Dr. Paul gets elected do you think the congress will work with him or will he be a lame duck President resulting in a Democratic win four years later?  I'm just curious how you think a Paul win would change anything?

I would ask you how any of the other candidates besides RP would do anything other than either keep us on our current path or make it worse?

I don't think there is anyone in the Republican field who would keep us on the same path to socialism we are on now.  Any of them will encourage job growth that we don't have now. ( That includes Ron Paul.)



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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2011, 06:53:49 PM »

I'm for Ron Paul all the way!

I do have a question though.  If Dr. Paul gets elected do you think the congress will work with him or will he be a lame duck President resulting in a Democratic win four years later?  I'm just curious how you think a Paul win would change anything?
My 2 cents.....Ron Paul could change things the same way Baby Bush and Obama did ~ EXECUTIVE ORDERS OUT THE YIN-YANG!!!  That seems to be the way things get done now.  So what's good for the goose...


Cain: Conservative, not an insider has run large businesses as CEO, former director of the Fed, pro Bill of Rights and the US Constitution; often puts foot in mouth, does not know how Congress works so there would be a start-up lag time
I know that Cain is a moot point now, but I must question the logic of stating that a "former director of the Fed" is "not an insider."
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2011, 06:57:18 PM »
Even the President cannot executive order away a law passed by Congress.  It's that separate but equal thing.

Edit: Just another point.  Say Paul is elected.  If for some reason Congress declared war on another country and the Commander In Chief failed to lead the military in that war he would be setting himself up on grounds for impeachment.  Paul is a great guy, I like his thoughts on the Constitution, but honestly, he will be very problematic and result in the destruction of the country much the same as Obama is, only a different path. 
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2011, 07:00:12 PM »
Good comments and questions Sledge.

On Glenn Beck's radio program last week, Newt said that he was a big Theodore Roosevelt supporter. Well Theodore Roosevelt was a big Progressive supporter. Roosevelt supported eugenics, he supported the Fed, He supported taking from the rich and redistributing to the less fortunate. Woodroe Wilson continued the Progressive theme.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics

During the interview, Newt never said that he was against smaller government. In fact he said, that he supported larger government in the forms of restrictions, health care, etc.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/12/06/transcript-of-newt-gingrich-interview/

Take a gander at the interview and I am curious of what you might say concerning Newt's postion on small government Vs. "government can solve all things." My interpretation of what Newt said not what he said verbatim.

I do think that if Paul is elected the GOP and Dems would make his life miserable. In theory, like what you questioned, he would e a lame duck president. However, it would be up to him to get the populace on his side to nudge Congress to do the right thing. Regan did it- Can Paul?

Last, you and I lived through Newts rein in the US House. Basically he did great things for the country by leading, e.g. balancing the budget, uniting the House, working with President Clinton. Yet he did some very self destructive things; to himself and ultimately the country.

Thank you Sledge for your comments and questions.

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2011, 07:02:14 PM »
Even the President cannot executive order away a law passed by Congress.  It's that separate but equal thing.
He can undo previous executive orders and he can pardon till the cows come home.  Think chess, not checkers.
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2011, 07:06:19 PM »
Romney- every once in a while says something I agree with, but overall I think he likes the camera too much. Also, if he finds himself in a pinch he'll always draw attention to how bad "our current president" is doing things.

Gingrich-  too shifty with his views (and big, a fat president is bad for our image).

Bachman.....HAHAHAHAHAHA

Santorum- a short idiot with no confidence

Perry- Talks about how awesome texas is too much, and when he talks, he always sounds like he's saying it to get votes (but does it poorly). Also, doesn't think through what he's going to say before he says it.

Paul- Knows what he's talking about, plays it safe, but isn't afraid to call people out when they're wrong, hasn't said anything that I completely disagree with.

Huntsman/Johnson- Havn't heard them talk enough yet.
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2011, 07:07:31 PM »
Special,
Cain knew the working's of the Fed. Hence he would support on clipping it's wings. He knew where the bodies were buried. http://spectator.org/blog/2011/05/27/herman-cain-and-the-fed

However, to your point it is a moot point.  :))
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2011, 07:11:45 PM »
Even the President cannot executive order away a law passed by Congress.  It's that separate but equal thing.
He can undo previous executive orders and he can pardon till the cows come home.  Think chess, not checkers.

LOL!  oh, Ok.  Chess huh?   :)
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2011, 07:25:28 PM »
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Bachman.....HAHAHAHAHAHA

Santorum- a short idiot with no confidence

Without trying to troll here , please try to back up your opinion with facts.
Santorum is not; a person affected with extreme mental retardation. nor a foolish or stupid person Webster

Someone that is fat or short is not a reason to poo-poo them.

Come on guys and gals, back up your candidates with facts not platitude's or predigests.

Thanks.
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2011, 07:29:31 PM »
Actually, I'm considering writing in Reaver's name.  But I haven't seen a copy of his BC yet.  I'm thinking it would give a whole new meaning to getting an invitation to a dinner party at the White House.  That ought to scare the illegals and liberals into leaving the country.
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2011, 07:32:38 PM »
Right on Sledge. The question is would Reaver invite you and I?
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2011, 07:40:45 PM »
WOW! I competly forgot Perry in my run down.  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

Sorry. I guess that tells you something.  :))
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2011, 08:18:34 PM »
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Skippy wrote:
Bachman.....HAHAHAHAHAHA

Santorum- a short idiot with no confidence

Without trying to troll here , please try to back up your opinion with facts.
Santorum is not; a person affected with extreme mental retardation. nor a foolish or stupid person Webster

Someone that is fat or short is not a reason to poo-poo them.

Come on guys and gals, back up your candidates with facts not platitude's or predigests.

Thanks.

Bachman- Misquotes her competitors, does not present herself as much of an authority figure, and IMO some of the things she says are just not smart. Also, her smile is fake as hell

Santorum- I don't agree with a lot of what he says, he dances around a lot of questions (at the same time he's not a good dancer).

As far as the short thing goes, I was part joking, part not. The way a person presents themselves is key in leadership, and Santorum does not present himself as "tall". You don't have to be a tall person to present yourself as "tall". Take Ron Paul, he's not very tall at all, but he's the biggest SOB on that stage every night. (that was a lot of "all's")
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2011, 08:24:05 PM »
LOL!  How does kool aid make some people so drunk?  Are they putting alcohol in that stuff now?   :)



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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2011, 08:26:53 PM »
LOL!  How does kool aid make some people so drunk?  Are they putting alcohol in that stuff now?   :)

Actually lmao.  Just last night, vodka and cherry lol
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2011, 08:36:30 PM »
Thanks Skippy.

On another note: I will be voting in 2012 and I will vote for a slug over Barry everyday!
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2011, 08:39:19 PM »
Thanks Skippy.

On another note: I will be voting in 2012 and I will vote for a slug over Barry everyday!

Ditto!!!!   Let's hope the election machines aren't rigged and the slug wins.



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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2011, 08:44:04 PM »
 :)) Thanks Sledge.

OK guys and gals: Rank your top three candidates wth why- Good bad or ugly. 
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2011, 08:48:33 PM »
1) Gingrich - He can beat Obama
2) Romney - He can beat Obama
3) Paul - He'll tear the country apart (We'll see if he's a Lincoln) , but I can't help myself, I hate the Federal Reserve Corp.



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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2011, 09:09:49 PM »
Thanks Sledge  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

Whom else wants to step up to the plate?

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2011, 09:28:16 PM »
3) Paul - He'll tear the country apart (We'll see if he's a Lincoln)

I'm sorry, but I have to hear clarification on this. What from what Paul advocates, in addition to his voting record, hints that he will turn this nation upside-down in an unconstitutional way? He has been nothing but pro-Constitution from what I've seen. Lincoln purposefully manipulated the Sumter incident to spark a nationwide fervor for war, fanning it with his propaganda, to prevent several states from constitutionally seceding from the federal government (anybody want to argue with me? show me in the Constitution where, pre-1861, it forbade secession). He unlawfully authorized: the suspension of Posse Comitatus, imprisonment of dissenters, invasion of private residences without warrants, I could go on. All this in the name of war, and later, when his pro-war propaganda wore too thin, in the name of emancipation (but only in the Southern states...right....). Please explain how Ron Paul will do this.