Unchained Preppers
General Category => News & Politics => Topic started by: JohnyMac on December 13, 2011, 05:00:26 PM
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So how do you rank the Republican Presidential field and why.
I will stick out my neck here and post how I rank the Republican candidates in order of my preference and why.
Santorum: Conservative, never weavers from his answers, understands how congress runs,
pro Bill of Rights and the US Constitution, truly wants to fix the economy by in part
reducing the size of government and the restrictions imposed on business
Bachmann: Conservative, never flip flops, passionate about America and fixing our economy,
wants smaller government, understands how congress works, pro Bill of Rights and
the US Constitution; I do get tired of hearing about the kids she has adopted though
Cain: Conservative, not an insider has run large businesses as CEO, former director of
the Fed, pro Bill of Rights and the US Constitution; often puts foot in mouth, does
not know how Congress works so there would be a start-up lag time
Paul: Conservative, the only true Libertarian running, understands how congress works,
pro Bill of Rights and the US Constitution, would like to limit or kill the Fed, I have
not heard him flip flop as yet; gives some out there answers to questions, does not
have the respect of members of the congress, foreign policy is weak
Johnson: I haven't had the opportunity to vet him as all of the media has put him in the
background. Seems conservative and libertarian but I don't know, from what I have
read he was an outstanding governor in NM- A Democratic state
Romney: Has ran large businesses as CEO, turned the Olympics around, I feel he would
work hard to turn around the US economy, strong foreign policy stand, speaks well;
is a flip flopper, probably a right leaning moderate who watches which way the
political wind blows
Gingrich: Smart, very good speaker, knows how congress works so he can get things done,
strong foreign policy stand; his mouth is his own worst enemy, smug, a progressive-
Believes larger government can fix anything, pro larger government, I can't stand his
wife
Huntsman: Nothing good to say other then he can speak mandarin. Left leaning moderate-
Heck he is left of McCain.
So there you go- Let the slings and arrows follow. :)) But more important then my list prioritized what is yours?
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I'm not getting into this unless someone says something that puts me into my "I just can't stop myself" mode. :)
You guys vote for who you like. Anyone is better than Obama.
Gingrich for big government? I'm not sure where that came from. When he was speaker of the house, Clinton took credit for the downsizing of government that occurred.
I do have a question though. If Dr. Paul gets elected do you think the congress will work with him or will he be a lame duck President resulting in a Democratic win four years later? I'm just curious how you think a Paul win would change anything?
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My vote if he comes up on the ballot...
Johnson: I haven't had the opportunity to vet him as all of the media has put him in the
background. Seems conservative and libertarian but I don't know, from what I have
read he was an outstanding governor in NM- A Democratic state
The rest are bottom feeders, except for RP.
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I'm not getting into this unless someone says something that puts me into my "I just can't stop myself" mode. :)
You guys vote for who you like. Anyone is better than Obama.
Gingrich for big government? I'm not sure where that came from. When he was speaker of the house, Clinton took credit for the downsizing of government that occurred.
I do have a question though. If Dr. Paul gets elected do you think the congress will work with him or will he be a lame duck President resulting in a Democratic win four years later? I'm just curious how you think a Paul win would change anything?
I would ask you how any of the other candidates besides RP would do anything other than either keep us on our current path or make it worse?
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I'm not getting into this unless someone says something that puts me into my "I just can't stop myself" mode. :)
You guys vote for who you like. Anyone is better than Obama.
Gingrich for big government? I'm not sure where that came from. When he was speaker of the house, Clinton took credit for the downsizing of government that occurred.
I do have a question though. If Dr. Paul gets elected do you think the congress will work with him or will he be a lame duck President resulting in a Democratic win four years later? I'm just curious how you think a Paul win would change anything?
I would ask you how any of the other candidates besides RP would do anything other than either keep us on our current path or make it worse?
I don't think there is anyone in the Republican field who would keep us on the same path to socialism we are on now. Any of them will encourage job growth that we don't have now. ( That includes Ron Paul.)
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I'm for Ron Paul all the way!
I do have a question though. If Dr. Paul gets elected do you think the congress will work with him or will he be a lame duck President resulting in a Democratic win four years later? I'm just curious how you think a Paul win would change anything?
My 2 cents.....Ron Paul could change things the same way Baby Bush and Obama did ~ EXECUTIVE ORDERS OUT THE YIN-YANG!!! That seems to be the way things get done now. So what's good for the goose...
Cain: Conservative, not an insider has run large businesses as CEO, former director of the Fed, pro Bill of Rights and the US Constitution; often puts foot in mouth, does not know how Congress works so there would be a start-up lag time
I know that Cain is a moot point now, but I must question the logic of stating that a "former director of the Fed" is "not an insider."
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Even the President cannot executive order away a law passed by Congress. It's that separate but equal thing.
Edit: Just another point. Say Paul is elected. If for some reason Congress declared war on another country and the Commander In Chief failed to lead the military in that war he would be setting himself up on grounds for impeachment. Paul is a great guy, I like his thoughts on the Constitution, but honestly, he will be very problematic and result in the destruction of the country much the same as Obama is, only a different path.
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Good comments and questions Sledge.
On Glenn Beck's radio program last week, Newt said that he was a big Theodore Roosevelt supporter. Well Theodore Roosevelt was a big Progressive supporter. Roosevelt supported eugenics, he supported the Fed, He supported taking from the rich and redistributing to the less fortunate. Woodroe Wilson continued the Progressive theme.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics)
During the interview, Newt never said that he was against smaller government. In fact he said, that he supported larger government in the forms of restrictions, health care, etc.
http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/12/06/transcript-of-newt-gingrich-interview/ (http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/12/06/transcript-of-newt-gingrich-interview/)
Take a gander at the interview and I am curious of what you might say concerning Newt's postion on small government Vs. "government can solve all things." My interpretation of what Newt said not what he said verbatim.
I do think that if Paul is elected the GOP and Dems would make his life miserable. In theory, like what you questioned, he would e a lame duck president. However, it would be up to him to get the populace on his side to nudge Congress to do the right thing. Regan did it- Can Paul?
Last, you and I lived through Newts rein in the US House. Basically he did great things for the country by leading, e.g. balancing the budget, uniting the House, working with President Clinton. Yet he did some very self destructive things; to himself and ultimately the country.
Thank you Sledge for your comments and questions.
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Even the President cannot executive order away a law passed by Congress. It's that separate but equal thing.
He can undo previous executive orders and he can pardon till the cows come home. Think chess, not checkers.
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Romney- every once in a while says something I agree with, but overall I think he likes the camera too much. Also, if he finds himself in a pinch he'll always draw attention to how bad "our current president" is doing things.
Gingrich- too shifty with his views (and big, a fat president is bad for our image).
Bachman.....HAHAHAHAHAHA
Santorum- a short idiot with no confidence
Perry- Talks about how awesome texas is too much, and when he talks, he always sounds like he's saying it to get votes (but does it poorly). Also, doesn't think through what he's going to say before he says it.
Paul- Knows what he's talking about, plays it safe, but isn't afraid to call people out when they're wrong, hasn't said anything that I completely disagree with.
Huntsman/Johnson- Havn't heard them talk enough yet.
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Special,
Cain knew the working's of the Fed. Hence he would support on clipping it's wings. He knew where the bodies were buried. http://spectator.org/blog/2011/05/27/herman-cain-and-the-fed (http://spectator.org/blog/2011/05/27/herman-cain-and-the-fed)
However, to your point it is a moot point. :))
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Even the President cannot executive order away a law passed by Congress. It's that separate but equal thing.
He can undo previous executive orders and he can pardon till the cows come home. Think chess, not checkers.
LOL! oh, Ok. Chess huh? :)
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Skippy wrote:
Bachman.....HAHAHAHAHAHA
Santorum- a short idiot with no confidence
Without trying to troll here , please try to back up your opinion with facts.
Santorum is not; a person affected with extreme mental retardation. nor a foolish or stupid person Webster
Someone that is fat or short is not a reason to poo-poo them.
Come on guys and gals, back up your candidates with facts not platitude's or predigests.
Thanks.
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Actually, I'm considering writing in Reaver's name. But I haven't seen a copy of his BC yet. I'm thinking it would give a whole new meaning to getting an invitation to a dinner party at the White House. That ought to scare the illegals and liberals into leaving the country.
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Right on Sledge. The question is would Reaver invite you and I?
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WOW! I competly forgot Perry in my run down. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Sorry. I guess that tells you something. :))
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Skippy wrote:
Bachman.....HAHAHAHAHAHA
Santorum- a short idiot with no confidence
Without trying to troll here , please try to back up your opinion with facts.
Santorum is not; a person affected with extreme mental retardation. nor a foolish or stupid person Webster
Someone that is fat or short is not a reason to poo-poo them.
Come on guys and gals, back up your candidates with facts not platitude's or predigests.
Thanks.
Bachman- Misquotes her competitors, does not present herself as much of an authority figure, and IMO some of the things she says are just not smart. Also, her smile is fake as hell
Santorum- I don't agree with a lot of what he says, he dances around a lot of questions (at the same time he's not a good dancer).
As far as the short thing goes, I was part joking, part not. The way a person presents themselves is key in leadership, and Santorum does not present himself as "tall". You don't have to be a tall person to present yourself as "tall". Take Ron Paul, he's not very tall at all, but he's the biggest SOB on that stage every night. (that was a lot of "all's")
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LOL! How does kool aid make some people so drunk? Are they putting alcohol in that stuff now? :)
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LOL! How does kool aid make some people so drunk? Are they putting alcohol in that stuff now? :)
Actually lmao. Just last night, vodka and cherry lol
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Thanks Skippy.
On another note: I will be voting in 2012 and I will vote for a slug over Barry everyday!
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Thanks Skippy.
On another note: I will be voting in 2012 and I will vote for a slug over Barry everyday!
Ditto!!!! Let's hope the election machines aren't rigged and the slug wins.
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:)) Thanks Sledge.
OK guys and gals: Rank your top three candidates wth why- Good bad or ugly.
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1) Gingrich - He can beat Obama
2) Romney - He can beat Obama
3) Paul - He'll tear the country apart (We'll see if he's a Lincoln) , but I can't help myself, I hate the Federal Reserve Corp.
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Thanks Sledge [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
Whom else wants to step up to the plate?
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3) Paul - He'll tear the country apart (We'll see if he's a Lincoln)
I'm sorry, but I have to hear clarification on this. What from what Paul advocates, in addition to his voting record, hints that he will turn this nation upside-down in an unconstitutional way? He has been nothing but pro-Constitution from what I've seen. Lincoln purposefully manipulated the Sumter incident to spark a nationwide fervor for war, fanning it with his propaganda, to prevent several states from constitutionally seceding from the federal government (anybody want to argue with me? show me in the Constitution where, pre-1861, it forbade secession). He unlawfully authorized: the suspension of Posse Comitatus, imprisonment of dissenters, invasion of private residences without warrants, I could go on. All this in the name of war, and later, when his pro-war propaganda wore too thin, in the name of emancipation (but only in the Southern states...right....). Please explain how Ron Paul will do this.
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Lincoln with the US Congresses help declared Martial Law in 1863 and the Suprem Court declared it unconstitutional in 1866. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law)
Now with that said, Newt was successful in getting both houses in congress and Clinton on board to achieve many good things in the mid-1990's like:
Balance the budget and
Wellform reform; to name a few.
With that said, Newt has a tendency to "step on his dick." I still think he believes that larger government can solve problems.
Let's look at Harding and Coolidge who were Presidents post Roosevelt and Wilson who were proponents of the Progressive movement.
Harding and Coolidge were able to take a post WW I depression into the roaring 20's. How you may ask- By reducing the size of government and doing away with restrictions. The explosion of the industrial age certainly helped too. Hence reduced restrictions.
Now ladies and gents, Barry will win IF there is some conflict between now and Nov 2, 2012. Here is a link to a site that shows what happens (Bush) when a disaster happens:
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/presidency/ig/Presidential-Approval/Bush-Aggregated--Total.htm (http://uspolitics.about.com/od/presidency/ig/Presidential-Approval/Bush-Aggregated--Total.htm)
Be scared...Be very scared. Barry will do anyhting to stay in power.
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I saw today that Ron "The Answer" Paul is tied with Newty in an Iowa poll.
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3) Paul - He'll tear the country apart (We'll see if he's a Lincoln)
Please explain how Ron Paul will do this.
First off, let me say that I like a lot of things about Dr. Paul and if he is the Republican nominee I will vote for him. That said, his election would be problematic to the survival of the nation. He references the Constitution a lot, which is good. He also expresses many views which have nothing to do with the Constitution.
1) His view of foreign policy is basically live and let live. Mind our own business. Actually, this has been a popular idea and tried at a couple of different times in our nation's history. The problem was that other nations didn't feel the same way and it provided an incentive for some of them to create wars that we were dragged into in both instances. In other words, it didn't work.
To think that we could adopt that policy now would be extremely dangerous to our nation's survival. In addition to Russia and China now actively seeking to expand their influence and power. We also have regional players, Venezuela, Iran and probably Egypt in the near future, who are or will be trying to attempt the same feat. Probably in coordination with one of the larger players.
To think that should we adopt a "mind our own business" policy will ensure long term that they would continue to leave us alone out of the kindness and good will of their hearts is not something that we should be willing to bet our nation's future on. If the U.S. did adopt that policy it should not surprise anyone if Russia and China both turned on India, and after completing that conquest simply split the rest of the world up. Europe wouldn't be a problem. Russia can take over Europe right now any winter it wants by turning off the heat.
After dividing up the rest of the world they would either turn on each other, or turn on us in unison and then on each other.
2) Dr. Paul's strong support for the Constitution, surprisingly, would more than likely lead to a break up of the U.S. Regardless of who wins the election, Paul, Romney, Gingrich, or the slug. That in itself is not going to end our tall stack of problems or the 16 to 17 trillion dollars of debt we will incur by the time the election arrives. The winner might be able to jump start employment by bringing some industry back to the U.S. to a degree. But we are still going to be in the shitter for many years to come, collapse or not, as a result of our past sins.
Not just the Federal Government, the individual States and Cities as well. Even though all states are sucking wind right now, some states are in better shape than others due to mildly saner financial policies. As tough as times are going to be, those saner states are going to be very resistant to bailing out the total whacko states. (Similar to Germany being unwilling to bail out Greece.)
Given Paul's respect for the Constitution, especially as recognized with state's rights to secession prior to Lincoln's transgression of Posse Comitatus as you mentioned, many of those states will be incentivized to secede either individually or in groups for financial reasons if for none other. It wouldn't surprise me if Texas were to secede if Dr. Paul didn't just return to Texas.
3) There are other reasons why I think he, as a good man, could do extreme harm to the country. For one the Congress and Supreme Court would not work with him and would most likely look for a reason to do away with his Presidency. Another is that Dr. Paul has never managed anything other than his medical practice. He has never been the person responsible for dealing with a crisis on a local level much less a national or world wide level. Honestly, after watching him struggle with pressure during some answers in the debates, I don't think he is capable of handling the most high pressure job on the planet. But then, neither is Barry.
All this said, if he gets the nomination I will vote for him over Barry. But it will be problematic.
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First off, let me say that I like a lot of things about Dr. Paul and if he is the Republican nominee I will vote for him. That said, his election would be problematic to the survival of the nation. He references the Constitution a lot, which is good. He also expresses many views which have nothing to do with the Constitution.
Thank you for your response. I appreciate it. :)
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I'm voting third party this election cycle. The current top crop of Republicans are just more of the same old crud who helped get us were we are today. They will get nothing done, thanks to huge problems leftover from Obama and Bush. Sick of voting for the lessor of two evils, and will be voting with my heart this time. Sorry to the original poster, but the GOP ain't so grand anymore.
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Crudos,
Thank you for your comments. In part I agree with you comments concerning Bush & Barry.
If you choose to vote third party who might that be? Trump?
Please keep in mind, if you vote third party this will guarantee that Barry has a second term; However, thank you for voting. So many folks will stay home and not vote.
What I am disappointed about is no candidate is detailing what his/her plan will be. I am a business man and before I roll out a project like an acquisition of another company, I have a plan. I share the plan with other folks. My superiors, my colleagues and my subordinates because I do not have all of the answers but they do. I just have to compile that info and start the snow ball rolling down the hill.
Where is the plan to get our country back on track? It does not have to be perfect but share it.
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Whoever we vote for...I feel that it's going to be too little too late.
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I rank it as pathetic.
Is this the best our country has to offer or is this what the corporations are offering? I'm beginning to think I should just vote for barry, go home, lock the place down and get ready for the collapse, rioting and starvation. I think I would prefer a stand up fight to more slow decay and undermining of the constitution.
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If you choose to vote third party who might that be? Trump?
Please keep in mind, if you vote third party this will guarantee that Barry has a second term; However, thank you for voting. So many folks will stay home and not vote.
Trump? No way in hell. Will wait and see what develops, and who gets nominated by the Libertarians. See where Gary Johnson ends up.
I'm an sick to death of somehow my vote guarantees the incumbent winning. I've been voting ever since I was legal to do so (1984). Sometimes I voted in that manner, but really, I vote for the person who I think will do a good job. I am not tied to any one party (been there, done that, won't do it again). I really hope with all the displeasure toward the major parties, that a strong third party will rise up again. Not sure if anyone remembers Ross Perot and the Reform Party, but we need something like that again. Such efforts, unfortunately will require a pretty big cash source to compete with the status quo.
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Colombo,
in times of weakness I sometime think as you do.
You know, in the big picture, the USA or this election is so small it isn't even funny. What I think is important is: liberty and freedom which we have lost.
Whether Barry or the GOP wins the election we are entering into a time of shear darkness. I pray each night that we all pull together and fight back the darkness. When the light shines again, which it will, I pray that what is left is liberty and freedom as we have never enjoyed in our lifetimes.
Think positive man...Think positive.
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Colombo,
in times of weakness I sometime think as you do.
You know, in the big picture, the USA or this election is so small it isn't even funny. What I think is important is: liberty and freedom which we have lost.
Whether Barry or the GOP wins the election we are entering into a time of shear darkness. I pray each night that we all pull together and fight back the darkness. When the light shines again, which it will, I pray that what is left is liberty and freedom as we have never enjoyed in our lifetimes.
Think positive man...Think positive.
I think we all get that way sometimes. I know that I do. I was just thinking today about the fact that I have never experienced real freedom, and that to do so I would probably have to purchase my own ship, and go someplace where no nation has jurisdiction. Doing this is the only way I can see that you can be "legally" free anymore.
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I'm ponying up a buck for a lotto ticket tonight, if I win I'm gonna make a go for Antarctica everyone's invited. I'm convinced you could live underground there. I wonder how deep the permafrost is.
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And think Colombo, you won't need a fridge to keep your beer cold. :))
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I'm sorry for not complying with the terms and conditions of the thread but:
c'mon guys. Ron Paul is the only legit candidate no matter which way you cut it. I won't bother giving a long explanation because everyone else in this thread who supported Paul has said everything I would have said. (well done boys, especially Rah)
call it KoolAid, call it whatever. don't matter none to me.
all the other candidates are so down low in the back of my mind I won't even bother (unless provoked, but be prepared for me to write you a fucking novel if I'm provoked :)))
PS (I actually like Johnson, so he's not on my shit-list)
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if you don't support this man for president then you're not a fucking human being. period.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel#p/u (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel#p/u)
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Wow NOLA.
if you don't support this man for president then you're not a fucking human being. period.
After reading the above comment from you I immediately thought of this series of lines from Shakespear's, Merchant of Venice
...If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison
us, do we not die?...
Well, Paul's not my first choice, however I think I am a "human being." :))
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if you don't support this man for president then you're not a fucking human being. period.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel#p/u[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel#p/u[/url])
Whatever. By the way he is going to be on the tonight show with Jay Leno on Friday. You can get your fix twice this week. Thursday is the Fox debate which he'll be on and then Friday with Jay. :)
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I'm really not sold on any of them right now. As usual there is no perfect candidate. There are things I like about all of them. There are also problems I can see with all of them. But any of them will be better than Barry assuming we get to vote and the election isn't rigged. The best we can hope for is that whoever wins will put us on the right track to start to repair the damage that's been done over the past 100 years.
That's not saying things will be good, at this point that isn't even a possibility. What a fricking mess. Buy what supplies you can. This ride is something that is going to be talked about for generations. Disney World eat your heart out!
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Honestly, the GOP field in a direct reflection of the nation. Overall, shitty. I am a RP guy, but I have to say he will have a difficult time if he does get the nomination against Barry. One of his biggest weaknesses is his inability to get his point across, which is hard anyway due to the history he has to provide to support his argument. He has to constantly school the other candidates on history to convey to the American people his views. I believe the ultimate nominee would be his son, Rand. This guy has got what it takes!
Overall, no matter who is at the helm, this ship's going down, its just a matter of how fast. I continue to prep and pray, and the rest is left to our Father.
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Honestly, the GOP field in a direct reflection of the nation. Overall, shitty. I am a RP guy, but I have to say he will have a difficult time if he does get the nomination against Barry. One of his biggest weaknesses is his inability to get his point across, which is hard anyway due to the history he has to provide to support his argument. He has to constantly school the other candidates on history to convey to the American people his views. I believe the ultimate nominee would be his son, Rand. This guy has got what it takes!
Overall, no matter who is at the helm, this ship's going down, its just a matter of how fast. I continue to prep and pray, and the rest is left to our Father.
I have to agree with most of what you said.
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With Huntsman bowing out and throwing his support behind Romney will Gingrich bow out and throw his support behind Santorum OR visa versa? By Next Monday the field could be down to...
Santorum/Gingrich
Paul
Romney.
Stay tuned. :))