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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2011, 09:53:06 PM »
Lincoln with the US Congresses help declared Martial Law in 1863 and the Suprem Court declared it unconstitutional in 1866. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

Now with that said, Newt was successful in getting both houses in congress and Clinton on board to achieve many good things in the mid-1990's like:

Balance the budget and
Wellform reform; to name a few.

With that said, Newt has a tendency to "step on his dick." I still think he believes that larger government can solve problems.

Let's look at Harding and Coolidge who were Presidents post Roosevelt and Wilson who were proponents of the Progressive movement.

Harding and Coolidge were able to take a post WW I depression into the roaring 20's. How you may ask- By reducing the size of government and doing away with restrictions. The explosion of the industrial age certainly helped too. Hence reduced restrictions.

Now ladies and gents, Barry will win IF there is some conflict between now and Nov 2, 2012. Here is a link to a site that shows what happens (Bush) when a disaster happens:

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/presidency/ig/Presidential-Approval/Bush-Aggregated--Total.htm

Be scared...Be very scared. Barry will do anyhting to stay in power.


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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2011, 10:21:18 PM »
I saw today that Ron "The Answer" Paul is tied with Newty in an Iowa poll.

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2011, 10:47:50 PM »
3) Paul - He'll tear the country apart (We'll see if he's a Lincoln)
Please explain how Ron Paul will do this.

First off, let me say that I like a lot of things about Dr. Paul and if he is the Republican nominee I will vote for him.  That said, his election would be problematic to the survival of the nation.  He references the Constitution a lot, which is good.  He also expresses many views which have nothing to do with the Constitution.

1) His view of foreign policy is basically live and let live.  Mind our own business.  Actually, this has been a popular idea and tried at a couple of different times in our nation's history.  The problem was that other nations didn't feel the same way and it provided an incentive for some of them to create wars that we were dragged into in both instances.  In other words, it didn't work.

To think that we could adopt that policy now would be extremely dangerous to our nation's survival.  In addition to Russia and China now actively seeking to expand their influence and power.   We also have regional players, Venezuela, Iran and probably Egypt in the near future, who are or will be trying to attempt the same feat.  Probably in coordination with one of the larger players. 

To think that should we adopt a "mind our own business" policy will ensure long term that they would continue to leave us alone out of the kindness and good will of their hearts is not something that we should be willing to bet our nation's future on.  If the U.S. did adopt that policy it should not surprise anyone if Russia and China both turned on India, and after completing that conquest simply split the rest of the world up.  Europe wouldn't be a problem.  Russia can take over Europe right now any winter it wants by turning off the heat.

After dividing up the rest of the world they would either turn on each other, or turn on us in unison and then on each other.


2)  Dr. Paul's strong support for the Constitution, surprisingly, would more than likely lead to a break up of the U.S.  Regardless of who wins the election, Paul, Romney, Gingrich, or the slug.  That in itself is not going to end our tall stack of problems or the 16 to 17 trillion dollars of debt we will incur by the time the election arrives.  The winner might be able to jump start employment by bringing some industry back to the U.S. to a degree.   But we are still going to be in the shitter for many years to come, collapse or not, as a result of our past sins. 

Not just the Federal Government, the individual States and Cities as well.  Even though all states are sucking wind right now, some states are in better shape than others due to mildly saner financial policies.  As tough as times are going to be, those saner states are going to be very resistant to bailing out the total whacko states. (Similar to Germany being unwilling to bail out Greece.)

Given Paul's respect for the Constitution, especially as recognized with state's rights to secession prior to Lincoln's transgression of  Posse Comitatus as you mentioned, many of those states will be incentivized to secede either individually or in groups for financial reasons if for none other.    It wouldn't surprise me if Texas were to secede if Dr. Paul didn't just return to Texas.

3)  There are other reasons why I think he, as a good man, could do extreme harm to the country.  For one the Congress and Supreme Court would not work with him and would most likely look for a reason to do away with his Presidency.  Another is that Dr. Paul has never managed anything other than his medical practice.  He has never been the person responsible for dealing with a crisis on a local level much less a national or world wide level.  Honestly, after watching him struggle with pressure during some answers in the debates, I don't think he is capable of handling the most high pressure job on the planet.  But then, neither is Barry.

All this said, if he gets the nomination I will vote for him over Barry.  But it will be problematic.                     



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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2011, 11:02:12 PM »
First off, let me say that I like a lot of things about Dr. Paul and if he is the Republican nominee I will vote for him.  That said, his election would be problematic to the survival of the nation.  He references the Constitution a lot, which is good.  He also expresses many views which have nothing to do with the Constitution.

Thank you for your response. I appreciate it.  :)

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2011, 12:42:52 AM »
I'm voting third party this election cycle. The current top crop of Republicans are just more of the same old crud who helped get us were we are today. They will get nothing done, thanks to huge problems leftover from Obama and Bush. Sick of voting for the lessor of two evils, and will be voting with my heart this time. Sorry to the original poster, but the GOP ain't so grand anymore.

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2011, 09:44:42 AM »
Crudos,
Thank you for your comments. In part I agree with you comments concerning Bush & Barry.

If you choose to vote third party who might that be? Trump?

Please keep in mind, if you vote third party this will guarantee that Barry has a second term; However, thank you for voting. So many folks will stay home and not vote.

What I am disappointed about is no candidate is detailing what his/her plan will be. I am a business man and before I roll out a project like an acquisition of another company, I have a plan. I share the plan with other folks. My superiors, my colleagues and my subordinates because I do not have all of the answers but they do. I just have to compile that info and start the snow ball rolling down the hill.

Where is the plan to get our country back on track? It does not have to be perfect but share it.
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2011, 10:37:57 AM »
Whoever we vote for...I feel that it's going to be too little too late.
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2011, 10:49:16 AM »
I rank it as pathetic.

Is this the best our country has to offer or is this what the corporations are offering? I'm beginning to think I should just vote for barry, go home, lock the place down and get ready for the collapse, rioting and starvation. I think I would prefer a stand up fight to more slow decay and undermining of the constitution.

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2011, 11:01:59 AM »
If you choose to vote third party who might that be? Trump?

Please keep in mind, if you vote third party this will guarantee that Barry has a second term; However, thank you for voting. So many folks will stay home and not vote.
Trump? No way in hell. Will wait and see what develops, and who gets nominated by the Libertarians. See where Gary Johnson ends up.

I'm an sick to death of somehow my vote guarantees the incumbent winning. I've been voting ever since I was legal to do so (1984). Sometimes I voted in that manner, but really, I vote for the person who I think will do a good job. I am not tied to any one party (been there, done that, won't do it again). I really hope with all the displeasure toward the major parties, that a strong third party will rise up again. Not sure if anyone remembers Ross Perot and the Reform Party, but we need something like that again. Such efforts, unfortunately will require a pretty big cash source to compete with the status quo.

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2011, 11:02:59 AM »
Colombo,
in times of weakness I sometime think as you do.

You know, in the big picture, the USA or this election is so small it isn't even funny. What I think is important is: liberty and freedom which we have lost.

Whether Barry or the GOP wins the election we are entering into a time of shear darkness. I pray each night that we all pull together and fight back the darkness. When the light shines again, which it will, I pray that what is left is liberty and freedom as we have never enjoyed in our lifetimes.

Think positive man...Think positive. 
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2011, 11:26:14 AM »
Colombo,
in times of weakness I sometime think as you do.

You know, in the big picture, the USA or this election is so small it isn't even funny. What I think is important is: liberty and freedom which we have lost.

Whether Barry or the GOP wins the election we are entering into a time of shear darkness. I pray each night that we all pull together and fight back the darkness. When the light shines again, which it will, I pray that what is left is liberty and freedom as we have never enjoyed in our lifetimes.

Think positive man...Think positive.

I think we all get that way sometimes. I know that I do. I was just thinking today about the fact that I have never experienced real freedom, and that to do so I would probably have to purchase my own ship, and go someplace where no nation has jurisdiction. Doing this is the only way I can see that you can be "legally" free anymore.

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2011, 11:43:54 AM »
I'm ponying up a buck for a lotto ticket tonight, if I win I'm gonna make a go for Antarctica everyone's invited. I'm convinced you could live underground there. I wonder how deep the permafrost is.

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2011, 12:08:04 PM »
And think Colombo, you won't need a fridge to keep your beer cold.  :))
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2011, 11:30:57 PM »
I'm sorry for not complying with the terms and conditions of the thread but:

c'mon guys. Ron Paul is the only legit candidate no matter which way you cut it. I won't bother giving a long explanation because everyone else in this thread who supported Paul has said everything I would have said. (well done boys, especially Rah)

call it KoolAid, call it whatever. don't matter none to me.

all the other candidates are so down low in the back of my mind I won't even bother (unless provoked, but be prepared for me to write you a fucking novel if I'm provoked  :)))

PS (I actually like Johnson, so he's not on my shit-list)
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2011, 03:54:09 AM »
if you don't support this man for president then you're not a fucking human being. period.

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2011, 08:23:06 AM »
Wow NOLA.

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if you don't support this man for president then you're not a fucking human being. period.

After reading the above comment from you I immediately thought of this series of lines from Shakespear's, Merchant of Venice

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...If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison
us, do we not die?...


Well, Paul's not my first choice, however I think I am a "human being."  :))
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2011, 08:23:28 AM »
if you don't support this man for president then you're not a fucking human being. period.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel#p/u


Whatever.   By the way he is going to be on the tonight show with Jay Leno on Friday.  You can get your fix twice this week.  Thursday is the Fox debate which he'll be on and then Friday with Jay.   :) 



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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2011, 08:45:19 AM »
I'm really not sold on any of them right now.  As usual there is no perfect candidate.  There are things I like about all of them.  There are also problems I can see with all of them.  But any of them will be better than Barry assuming we get to vote and the election isn't rigged.  The best we can hope for is that whoever wins will put us on the right track to start to repair the damage that's been done over the past 100 years. 

That's not saying things will be good, at this point that isn't even a possibility.  What a fricking mess.  Buy what supplies you can.  This ride is something that is going to be talked about for generations.  Disney World eat your heart out!



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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2012, 02:55:58 PM »
Honestly, the GOP field in a direct reflection of the nation. Overall, shitty. I am a RP guy, but I have to say he will have a difficult time if he does get the nomination against Barry. One of his biggest weaknesses is his inability to get his point across, which is hard anyway due to the history he has to provide to support his argument. He has to constantly school the other candidates on history to convey to the American people his views. I believe the ultimate nominee would be his son, Rand. This guy has got what it takes!

Overall, no matter who is at the helm, this ship's going down, its just a matter of how fast. I continue to prep and pray, and the rest is left to our Father.
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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2012, 04:15:06 PM »
Honestly, the GOP field in a direct reflection of the nation. Overall, shitty. I am a RP guy, but I have to say he will have a difficult time if he does get the nomination against Barry. One of his biggest weaknesses is his inability to get his point across, which is hard anyway due to the history he has to provide to support his argument. He has to constantly school the other candidates on history to convey to the American people his views. I believe the ultimate nominee would be his son, Rand. This guy has got what it takes!

Overall, no matter who is at the helm, this ship's going down, its just a matter of how fast. I continue to prep and pray, and the rest is left to our Father.

I have to agree with most of what you said.

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Re: How do you rank the Republican field
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2012, 09:45:09 AM »
With Huntsman bowing out and throwing his support behind Romney will Gingrich bow out and throw his support behind Santorum OR visa versa? By Next Monday the field could be down to...

Santorum/Gingrich
Paul
Romney.

Stay tuned.  :))
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