gay people in WROL

[NOLA556]

In a debate one guy says some thing and then the other guy talks on what he said and comes back with his own points. in this debate id just continue to repeat "almost all gays claim they were born gay" on each turn until i got a response to it. but i have a feeling i may never get one.

Ken, almost all morons claim that they're not morons. that doesn't make it true.

[Kentactic]

Ken, I suggest you find some gay folks and have this discussion with them on your factual opinion that being gay is a defect. Your just using a circular argument as far as I can see. Going to bed now.

Funny thing is i have had this conversation with gays. they usually say they realise its not normal and wish they werent gay just because life would be easier. im assuming youve had the exact opposite conversations...

[Kentactic]

complete and totally different story bro. being born with or without physical deformities has completely and totally outside of what we're talking about. if a little boy decided that he liked to play with barbie dolls when he was a toddler, and the parents took the barbies away from him, odds are he'd turn out just like every other man. but if they allowed him to obsess over the barbies, he may adopt a more feminine demeanor. again, not genetics, environment, and (here's a new one) EXPOSURE

YOUR argument is its not a physical defect, MY argument is it is...thats the whole basis of the argument so its not outside the confines of the argument. now if what your saying is true and gays are gay because of environmental effects on their mind then id assume that a phsychiatrist could perhaps "talk them through" there gayness and correct them. but also it would seem that there would be a more 50/50 ratio of gays to straights if it was a "normal" mental change. if it is a rare occurance that makes it a defect because very specific things must "go wrong" if you will... that would create a homosexual.

You also used the example of blacks in poor communities tend more towards crime then in rich ones. yet it seems almost in ANY environment you can find gays. yes more in certain geological areas then others like anything else but you can find gays equally through all races, income brackets, etc . to point out that you dont find as many gays in a religion that says gays are sinners isnt a fair example. thats like saying if blacks a defect then why arent there any in the KKK.

[NOLA556]

complete and totally different story bro. being born with or without physical deformities has completely and totally outside of what we're talking about. if a little boy decided that he liked to play with barbie dolls when he was a toddler, and the parents took the barbies away from him, odds are he'd turn out just like every other man. but if they allowed him to obsess over the barbies, he may adopt a more feminine demeanor. again, not genetics, environment, and (here's a new one) EXPOSURE

YOUR argument is its not a physical defect, MY argument is it is...thats the whole basis of the argument so its not outside the confines of the argument. now if what your saying is true and gays are gay because of environmental effects on their mind then id assume that a phsychiatrist could perhaps "talk them through" there gayness and correct them. but also it would seem that there would be a more 50/50 ratio of gays to straights if it was a "normal" mental change. if it is a rare occurance that makes it a defect because very specific things must "go wrong" if you will... that would create a homosexual.

You also used the example of blacks in poor communities tend more towards crime then in rich ones. yet it seems almost in ANY environment you can find gays. yes more in certain geological areas then others like anything else but you can find gays equally through all races, income brackets, etc . to point out that you dont find as many gays in a religion that says gays are sinners isnt a fair example. thats like saying if blacks a defect then why arent there any in the KKK.

well no, i didn't say that you can't find gays within a particular RELIGION, I said you'd be hardpressed to find them within a community that is heavily dominated by a Christian mindset. point being: explain why there's a like a bajillion gays in sanfran (pardon the silly "number"), and like, almost zero in Tuscaloosa?

[hjmoosejaw]

Maybe it's not genetics. there are other things that make people different. Mutations, things that go wrong while the mother is carrying, etc. Not saying that being gay is any of these. But Ken has a point in that most gays say they are born like that. People say you are not suppose to blame them, they can't help it that they are attracted to the same sex. But let me play devil's advocate here. Going with that reasoning , are we suppose to be tolerant of somebody that is attracted to children or animals? Those two are definitely socially and morally wrong. But what if it is a physiological or psychological difference from the norm? Remember, I'm just playing devil's advocate. If you can say "It's not their fault they're gay" then you have to say " It's not their fault they like sheep". Wouldn't both have to be understood? Being that we are on page three of this subject makes me think that one being in a group would take away from my prior notion of keeping things simple within my group. I don't know. Still up in the air. While I don't care what a consenting adult does in his own bedroom, messing with kids is beyond any acceptable activity, and I don't care if somebody shoots ya for it. My .02   

[crudos]

Ken, I suggest you find some gay folks and have this discussion with them on your factual opinion that being gay is a defect. Your just using a circular argument as far as I can see. Going to bed now.

Funny thing is i have had this conversation with gays. they usually say they realise its not normal and wish they werent gay just because life would be easier. im assuming youve had the exact opposite conversations...

Yep, sure have.

[Kentactic]

complete and totally different story bro. being born with or without physical deformities has completely and totally outside of what we're talking about. if a little boy decided that he liked to play with barbie dolls when he was a toddler, and the parents took the barbies away from him, odds are he'd turn out just like every other man. but if they allowed him to obsess over the barbies, he may adopt a more feminine demeanor. again, not genetics, environment, and (here's a new one) EXPOSURE

YOUR argument is its not a physical defect, MY argument is it is...thats the whole basis of the argument so its not outside the confines of the argument. now if what your saying is true and gays are gay because of environmental effects on their mind then id assume that a phsychiatrist could perhaps "talk them through" there gayness and correct them. but also it would seem that there would be a more 50/50 ratio of gays to straights if it was a "normal" mental change. if it is a rare occurance that makes it a defect because very specific things must "go wrong" if you will... that would create a homosexual.

You also used the example of blacks in poor communities tend more towards crime then in rich ones. yet it seems almost in ANY environment you can find gays. yes more in certain geological areas then others like anything else but you can find gays equally through all races, income brackets, etc . to point out that you dont find as many gays in a religion that says gays are sinners isnt a fair example. thats like saying if blacks a defect then why arent there any in the KKK.

well no, i didn't say that you can't find gays within a particular RELIGION, I said you'd be hardpressed to find them within a community that is heavily dominated by a Christian mindset. point being: explain why there's a like a bajillion gays in sanfran (pardon the silly "number"), and like, almost zero in Tuscaloosa?

not sure what the poluation looks like out there but if there werent any of a certain race i could say "the same reason theres not many blacks there." or what ever the rare race out there is. point is genetics dosent guarantee an even distribution throughout the land. your question almost supports my theory that its genetics because if it were environmental then youd see them the same everywhere like you see depressed people everywhere or other environment created mental disorders.

To see a stronger consentration of gays in a certain area would make perfect sense. it would mean more gays are breeding in that area. where your point would be made is if you saw less gays in upper class familys or something like that. where its environment has changed within the same geographical regoin. but i dont see that as the case. which would mean lower upper and middle class familys all are pumping out the same ratio of gays to straights lets says its 50/1 that seems to be the same all across the board with lifestyle and social environment not playing any role.

[NOLA556]

i don't think you're seeing my point but it's been drug out long enough, lol. nbd.

[EJR914]

Fine with me as long as they pull their weight

I concur.  Also knowing medicine, engineering, or even firearms is a plus.  I happen to know a guy who is gay, who is really into firearms, preparedness, and training.  I didn't even know he was guy until he told me months after we had been to a political rally.  I was in shock.  It happens to him a lot, as there is nothing about him in the way he acts, talks, or any other indicator that he is gay.  You'd never know it if he didn't tell you.  I usually have good gay-dar as well.  Well it failed.  He's a pilot as well.  I could see how that could come in handy as well.

[NOLA556]

Fine with me as long as they pull their weight

I concur.  Also knowing medicine, engineering, or even firearms is a plus.  I happen to know a guy who is gay, who is really into firearms, preparedness, and training.  I didn't even know he was guy until he told me months after we had been to a political rally.  I was in shock.  It happens to him a lot, as there is nothing about him in the way he acts, talks, or any other indicator that he is gay.  You'd never know it if he didn't tell you.  I usually have good gay-dar as well.  Well it failed.  He's a pilot as well.  I could see how that could come in handy as well.

those people are everywhere. this is exactly why I can't help but  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at at people who see homosexuality as a "defect"..
(no offense Ken, just being honest here)

there's a large demographic of gays who want to "identify" with a community, so they go to extremes to alter the way they talk, act, dress, behave.. etc. just like soft suburban white kids who pretend they're "from the streets" and act all "gangsta"...they want to identify with a trend that happens to be popular at the moment.
I think this even goes further to prove my point against Ken's argument. if it's genetic, then why do these kids talk, and act perfectly normal like any other kid, and then at a certain part in their life, they all the sudden start talking "gay"... their parents didn't talk that way, they LEARNED to talk that way from the group of people that they want to identify with.

I personally know a dude (half brother of one of my ex girlfriends) that was as normal as a middle class white kid could be, and he "came out" when he was about 19 yrs old and over the next several months after that, he gradually became a STEREOTYPICAL gay dude. limp wrist, "fashion sense", talking with a lisp, the whole 9 yards. there's nothing genetic about that. he went out of his way to behave that way so he could identify with the larger community. (and btw, he SWEARS that he was born that way...)

anyway.. my whole point in this thread is that regardless what the real reasons for homosexuality are, either way, they're still people and they're still capable of everything that anyone else is capable of.

[WhiskeyJack]

Crudos and NOLA  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

It really is a non issue. How does one persons sexuality really affect you?
I may as well get upset at the truck or car my neighbor drives.
And in a post SHTF world I see no reason why gay or lesbian couples could not raise some of the millions of orphans that will left behind.
And as far as fighting side by side. One of my oldest Friends is a lesbian who served in Bosnia and Iraq as an MP. She has kicked in more doors and dropped more enemy targets than the average straight person. And i would rather have her at my side than some closed minded simpleton who cant see that his or her opinion on how others live their lives is not only unnecessary but unwelcome. It amounts to someone telling me I'm defective for owning guns and prepping.

[NOLA556]

OWNED

[NegligentDischarge]

I got a neighbor that is a gay homosexual and I don't care if he is an super handy and well prepared too. He isn't good enough to fight next to me so long as he doesn't agree with every bit of my belief system.

[NOLA556]

I got a neighbor that is a gay homosexual and I don't care if he is an super handy and well prepared too. He isn't good enough to fight next to me so long as he doesn't agree with every bit of my belief system.

lol... errmm... i'll assume this is sarcasm until stated otherwise. 

[NegligentDischarge]

I got a neighbor that is a gay homosexual and I don't care if he is an super handy and well prepared too. He isn't good enough to fight next to me so long as he doesn't agree with every bit of my belief system.

lol... errmm... i'll assume this is sarcasm until stated otherwise.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them Leviticus 20:13

If his blood is upon me then I'll catch the AIDS for sure!

[NOLA556]

scroll up to reply #62

[NegligentDischarge]

scroll up to reply #62

You're one of them aren't you?

[NOLA556]

 

[rah45]

Where is the damn eating-popcorn emote?

[WhiskeyJack]

Nola. reply 62 was awsome. Thats some hero worthy shit right there bro. I luaghed my ass off. Thanks for the share.
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[special-k]

[RS762]

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lol #62 was indeed hilarious

[Colombo]

Is there any dead horse left?

A defect is a defect is a defect no matter what the current politically correct Orwellian newspeak happens to be. My baldness is a clear sign of a defect as well as any psychological aberrations I may have. To pussy foot around a simple scientific analysis is nothing but a sign of mental inability to either make an emotionally detached observation or cowardice in the face of mob opinion. As a citizen born with the rights outlined in the Constitution I chose to no longer remain quiet while propaganda makes more and new mandarin classes of fellow citizen whom use law or popular opinion to silence, gain privilege or advantage or squelch free speech. I will respect gay individuals rights under the same constitution so long as those rights remain the same as all other citizens. The moment we gave special consideration or protections to groups was the moment we began the balkanization of our country with the inevitable result that historically follows.

I personally couldn't care less about this issue until the "special" laws and protections were given to a select few citizens and the media scum decided on a reeducation program. Anyone pushing privileged status ranks right down there with politicians, the originators of special status. Feel free to call me a libertarian with strict constitutional attitudes or an asshole.

scroll up to reply #62

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[crudos]

That horse looks a tad defective to me.

[Kentactic]

Colombo puts it VERY well and i wont even try to speak on the same level.

But i will say one more thing and be done. even the idea that a human would want to be homosexual even if it isnt genetic still means its a defect. its a defect developed one way or another. bottom line the mind isnt working correctly no matter how it happened be it volountarily, gentically, socially developed, or any other way. it all is a defect that has occured. i for one feel its gentics in a lot of cases. even if you cant agree with that theres no denying its a defect in that particular human. even if the person is trying to be gay consiously they are still defected because they want to be gay.

Bottom line... its a DEFECT.....