Unchained Preppers
Off Topic/ B.S. => General Off Topic => Topic started by: NOLA556 on May 02, 2012, 03:28:31 AM
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I WOULDN'T LET NO GAY INTO MY GROUP! NO WAY, NO HOW!
actually, this guy happens to be straight, but he was raised by two gay women, and he's arguing in support for gay marriage. would you have a problem accepting him into your group? he seems ok to me.
I only post this to get some of you closed-minded guys thinking...
Zach Wahls Speaks About Family (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMLZO-sObzQ#ws)
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Its a non issue for me. As long as one maintains their discipline and manners. I don't care.
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I'm with Reaver, as long as they bring something to the table and pull their weight I really don't care. Although it maybe difficult for me to overlook if they're too overtly flamboyant.
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Hot lesbians are a-okay in my group <Wakka Chikka Wakka Chikka>
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My group yes, my butt no.
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>:D I have no problem with the handicapped as long as they don't preach their religion to me or demand privileged treatment.
Be careful it's a trap...
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Fine with me as long as they pull their weight
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I gotta be honest. I am still up in the air about this one. We all have friends or family members that are gay. A lot of it would depend on a lot of things for me. Like, why is it a WROL situation in the first place. Nuclear disaster, Economic crash, etc. I think I would want to keep things as simple as possible. We had gays back in the day, but they were in the closet and some of the societal turmoil didn't need to be dealt with. Some of the problems we have now is "Political Correctness" We all have to be accommodating to everybody's circumstances. When that happens, it's like trying to herd cats. You accommodate him or her, then you have to accommodate somebody else, then somebody else. My group would be like a small society. I would have to treat it as such, the simpler, the better. If they're in the closet and they don't need special treatment. That's one thing. I don't know. Like I said, I'm up in the air on this one. And a lot would depend on the circumstances. Just my .02.
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I don't give a shit as long as he is not in my fireteam.
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I don't give a shit as long as he is not in my fireteam.
I do detect a shit there.
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I don't give a shit as long as he is not in my fireteam.
I do detect a shit there.
[URL=http://www.smileyvault.co lol
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I do detect a shit there.
You'd be right, I am a little homophobic.
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This has got to be the funniest thread ever on SP. :D
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This has got to be the funniest thread ever on SP. :D
"Not ha-ha funny.....queer funny."
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Come on guys if your that hot were some gay guy cant keeps his hands off of you then you will have the same problem with the ladies! and i dont think any of us have that problem. Lets get real if someone has a value skill and/or is pulling their weight you need them in your group!
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--"
Key word being men. (thumps chest until wife asks what ups with that)
I don't care if they are gay. Do they add useful skills or knowledge to the group? If yes, no problem. If not, keep moving. Same as the test for anyone else.
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Non-Issue for me.
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Judge them by their actions, not by their beliefs. I imagine they might be hard to live around, but then again I imagine some of us would be, too. Think about that.
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Judge them by their actions, not by their beliefs. I imagine they might be hard to live around, but then again I imagine some of us would be, too. Think about that.
Yeah, living next to some of you animals would be pretty hard.
We'd be waking up daily hungover not remembering where we left off.
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This is good shit fellers. I'm 1000% pro LIFE, as in get one. If you are queer, or straight I don't care BUT some of these "lifestyle" choices indicate deeper emotional and psychological traumas. So there's that. Also I dont think alot of gay people/ drug addicts/ welfare moochers are going to make it out of the SHIT when it hits the fan. Weakness in general.
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We're all ignoring one crucial point here. We're all a bunch of racist homophobes... [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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Well this is a first, as long they treat me with me respect I don't care if they are gay, bi, tri, quatra or whatever.
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I will allow this thread provided that it remains positive. References to sexual preference as a handicap are below us, even if intended as humor.
Let's not stoop nor bow gentlemen.
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>:D I have no problem with the handicapped as long as they don't preach their religion to me or demand privileged treatment.
Be careful it's a trap...
i agree, alsong as we can acknowledge that homosexuality is a defect and isnt something one should hope to become im fine with it. i dont think i agree with the "gay pride" festivals and all that. you dont see people having festivals about how proud they are they got cancer. they hold charity events to raise money to help people get rid of the disease. some gays treat it as though they are happy they are defected. It is a human defect and isnt something to be happy you got.
beyond that even with defects they still have rights.
@TG i hope my factual opinion dosent cause the thread to be deleted.
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i agree, alsong as we can acknowledge that homosexuality is a defect and isnt something one should hope to become im fine with it. i dont think i agree with the "gay pride" festivals and all that. you dont see people having festivals about how proud they are they got cancer. they hold charity events to raise money to help people get rid of the disease. some gays treat it as though they are happy they are defected. It is a human defect and isnt something to be happy you got. beyond that even with defects they still have rights.
@TG i hope my factual opinion dosent cause the thread to be deleted.
Defect? Wow..... just.... wow [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Ken, no offense, but that is THE MOST ASININE statement I've read here, or just about any other forum ever.
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i agree, alsong as we can acknowledge that homosexuality is a defect and isnt something one should hope to become im fine with it. i dont think i agree with the "gay pride" festivals and all that. you dont see people having festivals about how proud they are they got cancer. they hold charity events to raise money to help people get rid of the disease. some gays treat it as though they are happy they are defected. It is a human defect and isnt something to be happy you got. beyond that even with defects they still have rights.
@TG i hope my factual opinion dosent cause the thread to be deleted.
Defect? Wow..... just.... wow [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Ken, no offense, but that is THE MOST ASININE statement I've read here, or just about any other forum ever.
haha so im guessing you think the world was designed to thrive with organisms that are unable to reproduce?
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After thinking about it I'm having a hard time disagreeing with Ken's logic. None the less, if their trigger finger still works and they have other uses I have no problem with them in the group.
One less lion to compete against for the pride of lionesses for those who do like the idea of passing on their DNA..
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Gay people can reproduce just fine, just not when paired with the same sex. The only real defect I see is the inordinate fear of gayness by supposedly straight people. Besides, the hot lesbians in my WROL group trump whatever anyone else has, so there.
;D
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I will allow this thread provided that it remains positive. References to sexual preference as a handicap are below us, even if intended as humor.
Let's not stoop nor bow gentlemen.
Damn it TG, I had a pretty good one. Kill Joy. LOL
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Sledge you made my day with that comment hehehe >:D
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You said "factual" Ken, cite your sources or zip it.
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Being kinda involved here (quoted earlier) I'll toss some thoughts in the ring. First off if I make a personal attack it will be announced, sarcasm flows and I also usually have a smirk on my face that you can't see. It may be that I know something you do not know... or I'm just old and crazy.
Strictly from a cold hearted darwinian point of view any behavioral or physical condition that detracts from a species or one of its subgroups survival or propagation is in fact a defect or handicap. Physical capability means nothing without the mental capability in nature, having bypassed this thru our use of tools and technology we may have actually removed some element of natural selection of non viable aberrations, some examples of the species simply would not survive without the protective environment created by society (Matt Damon in Team America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWTzyU5MFgM#ws))
Add in the element of political correctness now scouring creative or independent thoughts of all traces of originality or the slightest controversy in this country like a sirocco and the actual cause or causes of homosexuality will probably never be known. To actually point to a cause would in itself imply a "cure" or "prevention" either of which would indicate a very politically offensive statement to start with. Only an insensitive knuckle draging lout would be so uncouth as to even suggest a cure or treatment for what is not a problem (Monty Python's Military Fairy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI#ws))
You said "factual" Ken, cite your sources or zip it.
Personal opinion here... An argument using logic should not require any source or credit be assigned but rather should simply be evaluated and considered on its own merit or logically dismembered (Monty Python-The Black Knight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4#))
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You said "factual" Ken, cite your sources or zip it.
i didnt click around much i hope this article covers me enough.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/gay-brain-science-homosexuality-a-birth-defect/ (http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/gay-brain-science-homosexuality-a-birth-defect/)
like columbo said... natural selection has been bypassed in humans through modern science. i do beleive the same gay traits may also occur in nature with other organisms from time to time but obviously the defect stops immediatly with no further breeding from the defected organism. It can only be obvious something IS wrong with a homosexual.... its silly to deny it... like all mammals were suppose to breed with the oposite sex. if an organism wishes only to try and breed with the same sex only failure will occur and eventually they will die with no children to carry the gene. unfourtunatly humans realise WHY they wont have kids mateing with the same sex so they some times will involve a member of the opposite sex or atleast their egg or sperm. essentially they are using a loop hole in nature. something that isnt suppose to happen. now im not saying if a homosexual has a kid the kid will be a homosexual too...but... im sure the percentage of that happening goes way up. its only would make sense if its a physical defect that the odds of a child born from one with that defect will be greater to also have the defect then a child born from two parents without the defect. im taller then average because my parents were. my sister is very short born from the same parents.. no gaurantees but the odds are higher. my brother also is bigger then the average male like me.
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There is no gay gene Ken. Though both pro and anti-gay's have tried to find it time and time again it's just not there. So the notion that homosexuality is passed on to any offspring is just ridiculous.
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There is no gay gene Ken. Though both pro and anti-gay's have tried to find it time and time again it's just not there. So the notion that homosexuality is passed on to any offspring is just ridiculous.
science aside ask any gay if he/she was born gay....they ALL say yes... if your born that way then its genetic. no one decides to be gay or has life experiences that turns them gay... if your born gay your gay. most know theyre gay very early in childhood even before puberty. if its not phsycological its physical. in the link i provided it says they notice a certain area of the brain in gay men is smaller like that of a straight woman... sounds pretty genetic to me.
Would hormonal intervention work in humans? Should we try it? Some thinkers are intrigued. Last year, the Rev. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, wrote: ?If a biological basis is found, and if a prenatal test is then developed, and if a successful treatment to reverse the sexual orientation to heterosexual is ever developed, we would support its use.? Mohler told the Associated Press that morally, this would be no different from curing fetal blindness or any other ?medical problem.? The Rev. Joseph Fessio, editor of the press that publishes the pope?s work, agreed: ?Same-sex activity is considered disordered. If there are ways of detecting diseases or disorders of children in the womb ? that respected the dignity of the child and mother, it would be a wonderful advancement of science.?
So what do YOU call something your BORN with if not genetic? does it happen when the mother smokes while pregnant?... they are coming out gay one way or another. either its genetics or trauma durring pregnancy.
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while I don't agree with Ken that the tendency to be gay is genetic, I will concur that children raised by gays probably have a higher probability of being gay in their adult lives.
i guess the big difference is that I don't view it as the epidemic that some people view it as. even gay people will feel the need to carry on their name into the next generation, and if they can't do it through the natural means, surely someone will offer their services. so the whole "gay people will kill civilization" argument goes right out the window. IF we lived in a world where there was NO POSSIBLE WAY to conceive a child outside of a man and woman who were in love/lust/committed relationship, then that whole argument might hold water, but we don't live in that fictional world. there's a million different ways to have surrogate pregnancies and have that child delivered to you on voluntary terms.
is it unnatural? yes. of course it is. but is it going to bring down society? the Darwinian demise of mankind? no. of course it's not. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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Summed up....
Ken thinks being gay as a genetic defect, while most sane people do not.
You tried NOLA, but you know how this thread was going to turn out before you posted, right?
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while I don't agree with Ken that the tendency to be gay is genetic, I will concur that children raised by gays probably have a higher probability of being gay in their adult lives.
i guess the big difference is that I don't view it as the epidemic that some people view it as. even gay people will feel the need to carry on their name into the next generation, and if they can't do it through the natural means, surely someone will offer their services. so the whole "gay people will kill civilization" argument goes right out the window. IF we lived in a world where there was NO POSSIBLE WAY to conceive a child outside of a man and woman who were in love/lust/committed relationship, then that whole argument might hold water, but we don't live in that fictional world. there's a million different ways to have surrogate pregnancies and have that child delivered to you on voluntary terms.
is it unnatural? yes. of course it is. but is it going to bring down society? the Darwinian demise of mankind? no. of course it's not. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
im not sure if the whole "bring an end to mankind" comment was towards me or not so ill just clearify i dont have any concerns about gays slowing down the reproduction of mankind at all.
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while I don't agree with Ken that the tendency to be gay is genetic, I will concur that children raised by gays probably have a higher probability of being gay in their adult lives.
i guess the big difference is that I don't view it as the epidemic that some people view it as. even gay people will feel the need to carry on their name into the next generation, and if they can't do it through the natural means, surely someone will offer their services. so the whole "gay people will kill civilization" argument goes right out the window. IF we lived in a world where there was NO POSSIBLE WAY to conceive a child outside of a man and woman who were in love/lust/committed relationship, then that whole argument might hold water, but we don't live in that fictional world. there's a million different ways to have surrogate pregnancies and have that child delivered to you on voluntary terms.
is it unnatural? yes. of course it is. but is it going to bring down society? the Darwinian demise of mankind? no. of course it's not. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
im not sure if the whole "bring an end to mankind" comment was towards me or not so ill just clearify i dont have any concerns about gays slowing down the reproduction of mankind at all.
I suppose that one was just in reference to alot of the anti-gay arguments that I've heard in the past. you didn't say that directly but what you were saying was starting to remind me of that. anyway, all is well. nbd. (not sarcastic)
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It seems as though people have more FEELINGS on the subject then logical thinking. if some one wishes to explain how being born gay and it not being genetic can be possible please by all means speak up. as far as i can see theres only one side to this debate. zero evidence has been provided to support the contrary except FEELINGS about what peoplethink i spolitically correct. i just wish there was a gay person on here to back me up. saying Gays are born gay isnt like the "N" word guys its ok i swear. just like the "N" word even THEY say it.
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Summed up....
Ken thinks being gay as a genetic defect, while most sane people do not.
You tried NOLA, but you know how this thread was going to turn out before you posted, right?
I thought i knew but actually the response has be unexpectedly positive.
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while I don't agree with Ken that the tendency to be gay is genetic, I will concur that children raised by gays probably have a higher probability of being gay in their adult lives.
i guess the big difference is that I don't view it as the epidemic that some people view it as. even gay people will feel the need to carry on their name into the next generation, and if they can't do it through the natural means, surely someone will offer their services. so the whole "gay people will kill civilization" argument goes right out the window. IF we lived in a world where there was NO POSSIBLE WAY to conceive a child outside of a man and woman who were in love/lust/committed relationship, then that whole argument might hold water, but we don't live in that fictional world. there's a million different ways to have surrogate pregnancies and have that child delivered to you on voluntary terms.
is it unnatural? yes. of course it is. but is it going to bring down society? the Darwinian demise of mankind? no. of course it's not. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
im not sure if the whole "bring an end to mankind" comment was towards me or not so ill just clearify i dont have any concerns about gays slowing down the reproduction of mankind at all.
I suppose that one was just in reference to alot of the anti-gay arguments that I've heard in the past. you didn't say that directly but what you were saying was starting to remind me of that. anyway, all is well. nbd. (not sarcastic)
Gotcha thanks for clearifying sir [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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It seems as though people have more FEELINGS on the subject then logical thinking. if some one wishes to explain how being born gay and it not being genetic can be possible please by all means speak up. as far as i can see theres only one side to this debate. zero evidence has been provided to support the contrary except FEELINGS about what peoplethink i spolitically correct. i just wish there was a gay person on here to back me up. saying Gays are born gay isnt like the "N" word guys its ok i swear. just like the "N" word even THEY say it.
well it's the same way religious people (of ALL different persuasions) KNOW that their faith is THE ONE TRUE FAITH.
let me throw you a curveball here. ok, the majority of crime is committed by blacks, even though blacks only make up less than 20% of the population. so does that mean that blacks' brains are less developed, therefore more proned to criminal activity? or does it mean that poor standards of living breeds criminal behavior? I choose the latter.
so basically your theory that homosexuality is genetic, is no different from saying that criminal behavior among blacks is genetic. it doesn't make sense. if it were genetic, you'd have the same gay demographic per capita within rural Christian communities as you do in heavy libturd communities like L.A. and SanFran... just the same as you'd have the same demographic of criminality amongst wealthy blacks living in quiet neighborhoods.
it's environmental, not genetic.
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It seems as though people have more FEELINGS on the subject then logical thinking. if some one wishes to explain how being born gay and it not being genetic can be possible please by all means speak up. as far as i can see theres only one side to this debate. zero evidence has been provided to support the contrary except FEELINGS about what peoplethink i spolitically correct. i just wish there was a gay person on here to back me up. saying Gays are born gay isnt like the "N" word guys its ok i swear. just like the "N" word even THEY say it.
Dude, you dug a impossible hole when you said being gay was a defect. Is being white a defect? How about black? How about high IQ people? Here are your exact words....
i agree, alsong as we can acknowledge that homosexuality is a defect and isnt something one should hope to become im fine with it.
My feelings have little to do with anything in this thread.
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It seems as though people have more FEELINGS on the subject then logical thinking. if some one wishes to explain how being born gay and it not being genetic can be possible please by all means speak up. as far as i can see theres only one side to this debate. zero evidence has been provided to support the contrary except FEELINGS about what peoplethink i spolitically correct. i just wish there was a gay person on here to back me up. saying Gays are born gay isnt like the "N" word guys its ok i swear. just like the "N" word even THEY say it.
well it's the same way religious people (of ALL different persuasions) KNOW that their faith is THE ONE TRUE FAITH.
let me throw you a curveball here. ok, the majority of crime is committed by blacks, even though blacks only make up less than 20% of the population. so does that mean that blacks' brains are less developed, therefore more proned to criminal activity? or does it mean that poor standards of living breeds criminal behavior? I choose the latter.
so basically your theory that homosexuality is genetic, is no different from saying that criminal behavior among blacks is genetic. it doesn't make sense. if it were genetic, you'd have the same gay demographic per capita within rural Christian communities as you do in heavy libturd communities like L.A. and SanFran... just the same as you'd have the same demographic of criminality amongst wealthy blacks living in quiet neighborhoods.
it's environmental, not genetic.
the main error in the example your giving is that if you ask a black male who just robbed a liquor store why he did it youll 99% of the time not get the answer "ive known i would rob that liquor store since i was 4 years old". Gays almost ALL claim they were BORN gay... youll never find a black man who claims he was born to be a criminal litterally.
Next thing is your saying that youd have the same gay ratio in all communities if it was genetic...but why? theres more mexicans in a certain area of the country and theres more gays in particular areas aswell.. thats just how the breeding happened.
Do you deny my claim that most gays say they were born gay? the people in question are saying it... how can you dispute that? its like asking a guy with one leg where his other leg went and he says he was born with only one leg and then you say no your environment made you lose that leg... i think the guy knows if he had a darn leg when he was born.
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It seems as though people have more FEELINGS on the subject then logical thinking. if some one wishes to explain how being born gay and it not being genetic can be possible please by all means speak up. as far as i can see theres only one side to this debate. zero evidence has been provided to support the contrary except FEELINGS about what peoplethink i spolitically correct. i just wish there was a gay person on here to back me up. saying Gays are born gay isnt like the "N" word guys its ok i swear. just like the "N" word even THEY say it.
Dude, you dug a impossible hole when you said being gay was a defect. Is being white a defect? How about black? How about high IQ people? Here are your exact words....
i agree, alsong as we can acknowledge that homosexuality is a defect and isnt something one should hope to become im fine with it.
My feelings have little to do with anything in this thread.
Do most gays say they were born gay?
Im not in any hole.....
being white is genetic. if i was black and lost my skin tone from vitilgo (loss of pigmintation) then yes that would be a defect. having blue eyes isnt a defect but being born blind in one eye is. your crossing a distinct line that cant be comparable to the discussion. In your rational being born blind isnt a defect. in your rational being born with three eyes isnt a defect.
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In a debate one guy says some thing and then the other guy talks on what he said and comes back with his own points. in this debate id just continue to repeat "almost all gays claim they were born gay" on each turn until i got a response to it. but i have a feeling i may never get one.
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It seems as though people have more FEELINGS on the subject then logical thinking. if some one wishes to explain how being born gay and it not being genetic can be possible please by all means speak up. as far as i can see theres only one side to this debate. zero evidence has been provided to support the contrary except FEELINGS about what peoplethink i spolitically correct. i just wish there was a gay person on here to back me up. saying Gays are born gay isnt like the "N" word guys its ok i swear. just like the "N" word even THEY say it.
well it's the same way religious people (of ALL different persuasions) KNOW that their faith is THE ONE TRUE FAITH.
let me throw you a curveball here. ok, the majority of crime is committed by blacks, even though blacks only make up less than 20% of the population. so does that mean that blacks' brains are less developed, therefore more proned to criminal activity? or does it mean that poor standards of living breeds criminal behavior? I choose the latter.
so basically your theory that homosexuality is genetic, is no different from saying that criminal behavior among blacks is genetic. it doesn't make sense. if it were genetic, you'd have the same gay demographic per capita within rural Christian communities as you do in heavy libturd communities like L.A. and SanFran... just the same as you'd have the same demographic of criminality amongst wealthy blacks living in quiet neighborhoods.
it's environmental, not genetic.
the main error in the example your giving is that if you ask a black male who just robbed a liquor store why he did it youll 99% of the time not get the answer "ive known i would rob that liquor store since i was 4 years old". Gays almost ALL claim they were BORN gay... youll never find a black man who claims he was born to be a criminal litterally. it doesn't matter what bullshit answer THEY give you. people who are raised in anti-gay environments turn out anti-gay. people who are raised in comfortable environments generally don't turn to crime. the actually people involved will offer all kinds of silly reasons, but as a third party looking in, the true answer is obvious.
Next thing is your saying that youd have the same gay ratio in all communities if it was genetic...but why? theres more mexicans in a certain area of the country and theres more gays in particular areas aswell.. thats just how the breeding happened. so you're saying that it has NOTHING to do with the politics of the area? NOTHING to do with geographical proximity to Mexico?... lol. cmon bro. there's more Mexicans out your way because you're right next to Me-hee-co, *sensing opportunity to make auxiliary point!!*... hence the larger number of sympathizers of illegal aliens, and people who oppose border protection. like I stated before, environment, not genetics.
Do you deny my claim that most gays say they were born gay? the people in question are saying it... how can you dispute that? its like asking a guy with one leg where his other leg went and he says he was born with only one leg and then you say no your environment made you lose that leg... i think the guy knows if he had a darn leg when he was born. complete and totally different story bro. being born with or without physical deformities has completely and totally outside of what we're talking about. if a little boy decided that he liked to play with barbie dolls when he was a toddler, and the parents took the barbies away from him, odds are he'd turn out just like every other man. but if they allowed him to obsess over the barbies, he may adopt a more feminine demeanor. again, not genetics, environment, and (here's a new one) EXPOSURE
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Ken, I suggest you find some gay folks and have this discussion with them on your factual opinion that being gay is a defect. Your just using a circular argument as far as I can see. Going to bed now.
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In a debate one guy says some thing and then the other guy talks on what he said and comes back with his own points. in this debate id just continue to repeat "almost all gays claim they were born gay" on each turn until i got a response to it. but i have a feeling i may never get one.
Ken, almost all morons claim that they're not morons. that doesn't make it true.
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Ken, I suggest you find some gay folks and have this discussion with them on your factual opinion that being gay is a defect. Your just using a circular argument as far as I can see. Going to bed now.
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Funny thing is i have had this conversation with gays. they usually say they realise its not normal and wish they werent gay just because life would be easier. im assuming youve had the exact opposite conversations...
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complete and totally different story bro. being born with or without physical deformities has completely and totally outside of what we're talking about. if a little boy decided that he liked to play with barbie dolls when he was a toddler, and the parents took the barbies away from him, odds are he'd turn out just like every other man. but if they allowed him to obsess over the barbies, he may adopt a more feminine demeanor. again, not genetics, environment, and (here's a new one) EXPOSURE
YOUR argument is its not a physical defect, MY argument is it is...thats the whole basis of the argument so its not outside the confines of the argument. now if what your saying is true and gays are gay because of environmental effects on their mind then id assume that a phsychiatrist could perhaps "talk them through" there gayness and correct them. but also it would seem that there would be a more 50/50 ratio of gays to straights if it was a "normal" mental change. if it is a rare occurance that makes it a defect because very specific things must "go wrong" if you will... that would create a homosexual.
You also used the example of blacks in poor communities tend more towards crime then in rich ones. yet it seems almost in ANY environment you can find gays. yes more in certain geological areas then others like anything else but you can find gays equally through all races, income brackets, etc . to point out that you dont find as many gays in a religion that says gays are sinners isnt a fair example. thats like saying if blacks a defect then why arent there any in the KKK.
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complete and totally different story bro. being born with or without physical deformities has completely and totally outside of what we're talking about. if a little boy decided that he liked to play with barbie dolls when he was a toddler, and the parents took the barbies away from him, odds are he'd turn out just like every other man. but if they allowed him to obsess over the barbies, he may adopt a more feminine demeanor. again, not genetics, environment, and (here's a new one) EXPOSURE
YOUR argument is its not a physical defect, MY argument is it is...thats the whole basis of the argument so its not outside the confines of the argument. now if what your saying is true and gays are gay because of environmental effects on their mind then id assume that a phsychiatrist could perhaps "talk them through" there gayness and correct them. but also it would seem that there would be a more 50/50 ratio of gays to straights if it was a "normal" mental change. if it is a rare occurance that makes it a defect because very specific things must "go wrong" if you will... that would create a homosexual.
You also used the example of blacks in poor communities tend more towards crime then in rich ones. yet it seems almost in ANY environment you can find gays. yes more in certain geological areas then others like anything else but you can find gays equally through all races, income brackets, etc . to point out that you dont find as many gays in a religion that says gays are sinners isnt a fair example. thats like saying if blacks a defect then why arent there any in the KKK.
well no, i didn't say that you can't find gays within a particular RELIGION, I said you'd be hardpressed to find them within a community that is heavily dominated by a Christian mindset. point being: explain why there's a like a bajillion gays in sanfran (pardon the silly "number"), and like, almost zero in Tuscaloosa?
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Maybe it's not genetics. there are other things that make people different. Mutations, things that go wrong while the mother is carrying, etc. Not saying that being gay is any of these. But Ken has a point in that most gays say they are born like that. People say you are not suppose to blame them, they can't help it that they are attracted to the same sex. But let me play devil's advocate here. Going with that reasoning , are we suppose to be tolerant of somebody that is attracted to children or animals? Those two are definitely socially and morally wrong. But what if it is a physiological or psychological difference from the norm? Remember, I'm just playing devil's advocate. If you can say "It's not their fault they're gay" then you have to say " It's not their fault they like sheep". Wouldn't both have to be understood? Being that we are on page three of this subject makes me think that one being in a group would take away from my prior notion of keeping things simple within my group. I don't know. Still up in the air. While I don't care what a consenting adult does in his own bedroom, messing with kids is beyond any acceptable activity, and I don't care if somebody shoots ya for it. My .02
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Ken, I suggest you find some gay folks and have this discussion with them on your factual opinion that being gay is a defect. Your just using a circular argument as far as I can see. Going to bed now.
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Funny thing is i have had this conversation with gays. they usually say they realise its not normal and wish they werent gay just because life would be easier. im assuming youve had the exact opposite conversations...
Yep, sure have.
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complete and totally different story bro. being born with or without physical deformities has completely and totally outside of what we're talking about. if a little boy decided that he liked to play with barbie dolls when he was a toddler, and the parents took the barbies away from him, odds are he'd turn out just like every other man. but if they allowed him to obsess over the barbies, he may adopt a more feminine demeanor. again, not genetics, environment, and (here's a new one) EXPOSURE
YOUR argument is its not a physical defect, MY argument is it is...thats the whole basis of the argument so its not outside the confines of the argument. now if what your saying is true and gays are gay because of environmental effects on their mind then id assume that a phsychiatrist could perhaps "talk them through" there gayness and correct them. but also it would seem that there would be a more 50/50 ratio of gays to straights if it was a "normal" mental change. if it is a rare occurance that makes it a defect because very specific things must "go wrong" if you will... that would create a homosexual.
You also used the example of blacks in poor communities tend more towards crime then in rich ones. yet it seems almost in ANY environment you can find gays. yes more in certain geological areas then others like anything else but you can find gays equally through all races, income brackets, etc . to point out that you dont find as many gays in a religion that says gays are sinners isnt a fair example. thats like saying if blacks a defect then why arent there any in the KKK.
well no, i didn't say that you can't find gays within a particular RELIGION, I said you'd be hardpressed to find them within a community that is heavily dominated by a Christian mindset. point being: explain why there's a like a bajillion gays in sanfran (pardon the silly "number"), and like, almost zero in Tuscaloosa?
not sure what the poluation looks like out there but if there werent any of a certain race i could say "the same reason theres not many blacks there." or what ever the rare race out there is. point is genetics dosent guarantee an even distribution throughout the land. your question almost supports my theory that its genetics because if it were environmental then youd see them the same everywhere like you see depressed people everywhere or other environment created mental disorders.
To see a stronger consentration of gays in a certain area would make perfect sense. it would mean more gays are breeding in that area. where your point would be made is if you saw less gays in upper class familys or something like that. where its environment has changed within the same geographical regoin. but i dont see that as the case. which would mean lower upper and middle class familys all are pumping out the same ratio of gays to straights lets says its 50/1 that seems to be the same all across the board with lifestyle and social environment not playing any role.
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i don't think you're seeing my point but it's been drug out long enough, lol. nbd.
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Fine with me as long as they pull their weight
I concur. Also knowing medicine, engineering, or even firearms is a plus. I happen to know a guy who is gay, who is really into firearms, preparedness, and training. I didn't even know he was guy until he told me months after we had been to a political rally. I was in shock. It happens to him a lot, as there is nothing about him in the way he acts, talks, or any other indicator that he is gay. You'd never know it if he didn't tell you. I usually have good gay-dar as well. Well it failed. He's a pilot as well. I could see how that could come in handy as well.
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Fine with me as long as they pull their weight
I concur. Also knowing medicine, engineering, or even firearms is a plus. I happen to know a guy who is gay, who is really into firearms, preparedness, and training. I didn't even know he was guy until he told me months after we had been to a political rally. I was in shock. It happens to him a lot, as there is nothing about him in the way he acts, talks, or any other indicator that he is gay. You'd never know it if he didn't tell you. I usually have good gay-dar as well. Well it failed. He's a pilot as well. I could see how that could come in handy as well.
those people are everywhere. this is exactly why I can't help but [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at at people who see homosexuality as a "defect"..
(no offense Ken, just being honest here)
there's a large demographic of gays who want to "identify" with a community, so they go to extremes to alter the way they talk, act, dress, behave.. etc. just like soft suburban white kids who pretend they're "from the streets" and act all "gangsta"...they want to identify with a trend that happens to be popular at the moment.
I think this even goes further to prove my point against Ken's argument. if it's genetic, then why do these kids talk, and act perfectly normal like any other kid, and then at a certain part in their life, they all the sudden start talking "gay"... their parents didn't talk that way, they LEARNED to talk that way from the group of people that they want to identify with.
I personally know a dude (half brother of one of my ex girlfriends) that was as normal as a middle class white kid could be, and he "came out" when he was about 19 yrs old and over the next several months after that, he gradually became a STEREOTYPICAL gay dude. limp wrist, "fashion sense", talking with a lisp, the whole 9 yards. there's nothing genetic about that. he went out of his way to behave that way so he could identify with the larger community. (and btw, he SWEARS that he was born that way...)
anyway.. my whole point in this thread is that regardless what the real reasons for homosexuality are, either way, they're still people and they're still capable of everything that anyone else is capable of.
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It really is a non issue. How does one persons sexuality really affect you?
I may as well get upset at the truck or car my neighbor drives.
And in a post SHTF world I see no reason why gay or lesbian couples could not raise some of the millions of orphans that will left behind.
And as far as fighting side by side. One of my oldest Friends is a lesbian who served in Bosnia and Iraq as an MP. She has kicked in more doors and dropped more enemy targets than the average straight person. And i would rather have her at my side than some closed minded simpleton who cant see that his or her opinion on how others live their lives is not only unnecessary but unwelcome. It amounts to someone telling me I'm defective for owning guns and prepping.
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I got a neighbor that is a gay homosexual and I don't care if he is an super handy and well prepared too. He isn't good enough to fight next to me so long as he doesn't agree with every bit of my belief system.
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I got a neighbor that is a gay homosexual and I don't care if he is an super handy and well prepared too. He isn't good enough to fight next to me so long as he doesn't agree with every bit of my belief system.
lol... errmm... i'll assume this is sarcasm until stated otherwise. :-X
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I got a neighbor that is a gay homosexual and I don't care if he is an super handy and well prepared too. He isn't good enough to fight next to me so long as he doesn't agree with every bit of my belief system.
lol... errmm... i'll assume this is sarcasm until stated otherwise.
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them Leviticus 20:13
If his blood is upon me then I'll catch the AIDS for sure!
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scroll up to reply #62
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scroll up to reply #62
You're one of them aren't you?
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:-X
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Where is the damn eating-popcorn emote?
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Nola. reply 62 was awsome. Thats some hero worthy shit right there bro. I luaghed my ass off. Thanks for the share.
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lol #62 was indeed hilarious
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Is there any dead horse left?
A defect is a defect is a defect no matter what the current politically correct Orwellian newspeak happens to be. My baldness is a clear sign of a defect as well as any psychological aberrations I may have. To pussy foot around a simple scientific analysis is nothing but a sign of mental inability to either make an emotionally detached observation or cowardice in the face of mob opinion. As a citizen born with the rights outlined in the Constitution I chose to no longer remain quiet while propaganda makes more and new mandarin classes of fellow citizen whom use law or popular opinion to silence, gain privilege or advantage or squelch free speech. I will respect gay individuals rights under the same constitution so long as those rights remain the same as all other citizens. The moment we gave special consideration or protections to groups was the moment we began the balkanization of our country with the inevitable result that historically follows.
I personally couldn't care less about this issue until the "special" laws and protections were given to a select few citizens and the media scum decided on a reeducation program. Anyone pushing privileged status ranks right down there with politicians, the originators of special status. >:D Feel free to call me a libertarian with strict constitutional attitudes or an asshole.
scroll up to reply #62
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That horse looks a tad defective to me.
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Colombo puts it VERY well and i wont even try to speak on the same level.
But i will say one more thing and be done. even the idea that a human would want to be homosexual even if it isnt genetic still means its a defect. its a defect developed one way or another. bottom line the mind isnt working correctly no matter how it happened be it volountarily, gentically, socially developed, or any other way. it all is a defect that has occured. i for one feel its gentics in a lot of cases. even if you cant agree with that theres no denying its a defect in that particular human. even if the person is trying to be gay consiously they are still defected because they want to be gay.
Bottom line... its a DEFECT.....
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Thanks for sharing.
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Yeah this thread dosnt make us look like a hate group at all. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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Not in the slightest Whiskey.. not in the slightest
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The whole gay thing doesn't even matter to me. What matters to me is what can you offer the tribe? Medical, politics, intel, engineering, growing food, food storage, getting water, storage of water, firearms, training, ect. ect. ect. That's what matters to me. Can this person help our tribe, pull their own weight, and help us survive in some valuable way. That's the same question I would ask anyone before letting anyone in my tribe, no matter race, religion, sexual orientation, whatever. I would hold everyone to the same standard, just as I do now.
If I just thought anyone, gay or straight, was a completely useless human being and could only add negatives and knew nothing about our operations I'd either send them on their way. or they could make useful fuel.
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Bwhahahaha!!!!!
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I like your responce EJR. It was well put. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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Yeah this thread dosnt make us look like a hate group at all.
we can have opinions about all sorts of controversial crap and no one says anything... but point out medical facts about a sexual orientation and your a hate group?... while were at it lets let all the illegals in because who are we to say they cant live off of our system... wouldnt wanna look like a hate group against illegals or anything... let me show you to a warm fuzzy seat to the left of the aisle... [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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illegals
Fuck them too. No dirty Messycans gonna fight next to me!
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illegals
Fuck them too. No dirty Messycans gonna fight next to me!
PM sent.
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illegals
Fuck them too. No dirty Messycans gonna fight next to me!
PM sent.
Good catch dude.
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Yeah this thread dosnt make us look like a hate group at all.
we can have opinions about all sorts of controversial crap and no one says anything... but point out medical facts about a sexual orientation and your a hate group?... while were at it lets let all the illegals in because who are we to say they cant live off of our system... wouldnt wanna look like a hate group against illegals or anything... let me show you to a warm fuzzy seat to the left of the aisle... [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
LMAO. I'm just bustin chops bro. I don't agree with you on this one man, but I actually find your argument far more palatable than the guys who shout Leviticus Stick their fingers in their ears and shout LALALALALALALA. And I actually have to agree that I do find myself quite upset by the illegal immigration issues. But I'm pretty sure I'm more upset at my govs policies than at the illegals them selves. While i wish they would stand in line and stop using my tax dollar funded welfare system. I do understand the desire to better ones life. And I guess ill clarify. I was being sarcastic with the hate group remark. Butt the Fuzzy seat on the left comment was hilarious.
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ok I think I've changed my mind.... I don't want aids..
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well no, i didn't say that you can't find gays within a particular RELIGION, I said you'd be hardpressed to find them within a community that is heavily dominated by a Christian mindset. point being: explain why there's a like a bajillion gays in sanfran (pardon the silly "number"), and like, almost zero in Tuscaloosa?
let me tell you something about small religious communities, a shit load of em have gays, just deep under cover
the difference between there and san fransisco is in the small place they keep it private or they will be rejected in san fransisco they are taught to be proud of it so they are open to it, thus attracting more of the same to that region