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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2014, 07:57:07 PM »
"Propane price per gallon or liter - where do you get this info?  I've never needed to get propane." Wellie wrote  :lmfao:

Apparently Mr. WPW isn't a griller  ??? Well in all honesty I do not own a propane grill either. Strictly charcoal.  :thumbsUp:

Many mom & pop hardware stores sell propane for those small 5 gallon containers that hook onto many back yard grills. Here's a suggestion: As you drive your normal route keep you eye out for a sign that says "PROPANE!"

Many places post their prices right on the road like what you see for a gas station - Many do not. If they don't post their prices make note of their name/phone #/address and call them. Or stop in to pick up a can of "chew" and ask. 

Have you ever kissed a guy who chews tobacco? Well neither have I but I did date a gal A LONG TIME AGO that chewed. YUCK! Man O' man that was a short lived romance.  :facepalm:
 
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2014, 12:31:33 AM »
"Propane price per gallon or liter - where do you get this info?  I've never needed to get propane." Wellie wrote  :lmfao:


Check at any local campground.  THe vast majority will be able to fill the tanks on most campers.  Any Class A "motor coach" type has built in tanks that you have to fill by hose from the storage tank to the coach tank.

About any type camper has a propane fueled stove or furnace.  Tifton Ga KOA is $3 a gallon.  Been that number for near 5 years and no intent or need to change any time soon.

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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2014, 10:12:37 AM »
Cool, thanks!  And, no, Mr. WPW is not a griller.
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2014, 10:48:16 PM »
JM, I'm in Middle Tenn., so the southeast is my region.

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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2014, 04:32:08 PM »
O-Kay, attached is our first competitive shop project. A few things you should be aware of.

1) I changed the qty/size of a few items to try and standardize the items. Here are the changes:
    > 100 count Tylenol
    > 11.5 ounces of Folgers
    > Scott Toilet Tissue normal size 6 pack not mega size
    > Milk is by quart not gallon or half gallon
    > Cheerios is 8.9 ounce box which is standard cereal size.
2) If one or two of reported items did not fall into this category, I did not count them into the average
3) There are three attachments and they show:
     > Master, all reported prices rolled up into one screen shot
     > One screen shot of the prices in each region. If $0.00 shows for a category it is because you turned
         in an anomaly price due to size. Please reference number 1 from above
     > The actual Excel spreadsheet I am using.
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2014, 07:56:05 PM »
Awesome!  Thanks for doing this JM.
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2014, 12:20:47 AM »
OK my pencil neck is going to stick out a bit here.  On the upper one, with 3 sheets stacked on top of each other, it is a--  Competitive Chop Item.

On the lower list it is Shop Item.  I presume it is a typo.

Nemo   ???
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2014, 07:58:35 AM »
Thanks Nemo for the heads up  :thumbsUp: The typo will fixed in Aprils report.
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2014, 10:14:31 AM »
I listen to the Audible version of the Wall Street Journal every morning.  They had a brief blurb about how increases in grocery prices were affecting the economy.  Here's the piece on the website.  http://on.wsj.com/1nAEkIZ

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Morning Editorial Report: Why Food Prices Are Rising - Some drought conditions are man-made.
By James Freeman
March 18, 2014 8:34 a.m. ET

LOW INFLATION, EXCEPT AT THE DINNER TABLE
Tuesday's report on U.S. inflation is expected to show modest price increases. Economists polled by the Journal expect February data to show an annual increase of just 1.1%. But thanks to drought conditions in various regions, food prices are surging.

The Journal reports that "in California, the biggest U.S. producer of agricultural products, about 95% of the state is suffering from drought conditions, according to data from the U.S. Drought Monitor. This has led to water shortages that are hampering crop and livestock production."

But don't give Mother Nature all the blame. Allysia Finley recently explained in these pages how environmental regulations allegedly intended to protect fish like the tiny smelt are diverting water from California agriculture.

Now the federal government expects U.S. retail food prices to rise up to 3.5% this year. This would be the largest annual increase in three years, and would continue a decade-long trend of food prices rising faster than general inflation. Sounds like a war on the middle class.
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2014, 10:19:53 AM »
Great post Wellie!  :thumbsUp:

So we will be able to check in our small sampling how prices will change over the next 12 months.
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2014, 10:56:31 PM »
Dayum, Va and NC are the closest to me on that list.  I am at $3 a gallon for propane.  They are listed at $4.03 and $4.07.  Maybe I am not ripping people off enough or something.

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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2014, 10:13:36 AM »
Here is a good article with comparison of inflation on food products 1913 vs 2013, (except where noted in the footnote).
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101506892
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2014, 11:38:41 AM »
Thanks DM for posting the article.

One line really caught my eye which basically saw we had a .4% increase in food during February. Half a percent isn't much but if you expand that out over 12 months (All things being equal to February) we are looking for a 4.8% food increase within the next year.

Add to that higher gas prices which is surly to happen based on what is happening in the middle east, Ukraine and not happening here is the States.

Add to that the easing of the monthly Quantitative Easing in April of another $10B (Going from $65B to $55B) and Janet Yellen's announcement yesterday of continued easing on the monthly QEing through September of this year (Maybe $10B a month).

Add to that the economic downturn the Chinese economy is seeing.

Add to that the resent discovery (Admission) that the Russian government in 2008 was planning with China to dump US Treasury bonds on the market.

Add to that US and EU weak response to the Russians taking over Crimea and subsequent (Prediction) other annexing former Soviet states. 

We could see Jimmy Carter era inflation rates of high single digit to moderate teens by year end.

For kicks and giggles lets throw into this stew the following:

> November elections in the USofA
> Man made drought in CA. (Darter fish) which has closed 1/5th of farming area of for the country
> $17.6T in national debt and another
> $210T of unfunded debt, e.g. Fireman, police, state workers, federal workers, teacher,......Retirement
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> Countries already trading using only gold, e.g. China, Australia, Iran, to name a few not petrodollars
> What am I missing? 

Again folks, you are living history here. Take a minute and turn off "Dancing with the stars"  :dancingBanana: and do some research on economies that have fallen recently (Within the past 100 years)  and in past history (Rise & Fall of Roman Empire). Make a time line of these earlier economies from start to collapsed and determine where you think the USofA, EU, China, Russia are on that timeline.

I know I sound like chicken little here  :deadHorse:
   
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2014, 04:08:51 PM »
Our gasoline costs will rise in the near future with the seasonal switch over to summer blend fuel components, say $.25 / gallon or so.

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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2014, 07:05:43 PM »
Yup DC...
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2014, 01:48:09 PM »
Don't know how I missed this thread, this is awesome!

However, I never do the shopping. I did once, and the wife forcibly prevents me from grocery shopping again. Apparently, I don't get the right stuff. Hey, hamburger buns are hamburger buns.  :what:

If I'm ever allowed to shop again, I'll hop in on this.

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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #42 on: March 24, 2014, 02:50:23 PM »
Thx Rah  :thumbsUp:

I just printed out the list and gave it to my wife to fill out while she was at the str. Works good BUT she came home with more stuff then she was planning on buying.

Many women spend money on diamonds and furs not MrsMac. To her a supermarket is better than Tiffanies.  :facepalm:

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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2014, 11:22:36 PM »
I use Scott toilet paper and I can't recall seeing a 6 roll pack in any brand... ever.  I've only seen single roll, 4, 12, 16 & 24 roll packs.  Could we change it to something more common like a 4 or 12-pack?
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2014, 08:24:58 AM »
Yupper...I agree. What size do you want SK?
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2014, 09:02:13 AM »
They seem to have the Scott blue labeled 4-packs everywhere.
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2014, 11:08:09 AM »
Done! I will make the change today. Thanks  :thumbsUp:
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2014, 10:22:43 AM »
So it is that time again food shoppers to get prices for the ongoing research to see if food prices are going up or not and by what %.

Attached is your updated shopping list. Please post your prices here and I will compile the info. If you could do by weekend, I would appreciate it.

Thanks!
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #48 on: April 14, 2014, 08:26:28 PM »
All brands, sizes & varieties are exactly as requested unless otherwise noted:

Tylenol                  8.99
Flour                     2.69
Sugar                    3.19
Coffee                   4.29  (classic roast - 11.3 oz.)
Gasoline                3.59
Diesel                   3.79
Propane                xxx     (I will have to call around.)
Peanut Butter        2.99
Ground Beef          2.99/lb.
Chicken breasts     1.99/lb.  (Tyson w/rib + skin)
Toilet Paper           4.19
Bread                    2.29  (Wonder Bread Classic White)
Red Potatoes           .60/lb.  (5 lbs / $2.99)
Apples                  1.69/lb.  (No Macintosh - Gala, Jazz, Granny Smith, Fuji, Red & Gold delicious are all $1.69/lb.)
Milk                      1.48/qt.  ($1.99 half gal., $2.99 gal.)
Cheerios               3.09
« Last Edit: April 15, 2014, 04:34:44 AM by special-k »
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Re: 2014: Inflation or Deflation
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2014, 08:44:02 AM »
Thx SK!  :thumbsUp:

A friendly reminder folks, we only want regular prices NO SALE PRICES.  ;)


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