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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2014, 09:36:14 AM »
Found this on FB. It has a video you guys should watch. I don't know how to embed it on this site, though. It's not a YT vid.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/footage-bundy-massacre/

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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2014, 11:08:19 AM »
Great find Rah!  :thumbsUp: Thanks for posting!!
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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2014, 08:51:35 AM »
Interesting Burt.

I read a short article about this yesterday and I poo poo's it. Maybe I shouldn't have.

You would hope that the Bundy family does a good job of documenting the killing's and damage to the land - Then publish it.

On another note: I have read that the only national news organization that was there was Fox. Even the local affiliates did not cover the event in any detail. I wonder why?

If the BLM/Feds don't take the proper & easy way out (File a lien on the Bundy Ranch) and come back to do what they went there originally for; I think it will be a telltale of things to come in all four corners of America.

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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2014, 11:09:17 AM »
The Fox news truck was the only truck that had its name on the side. There was a channel 13 truck aswell but no obvious CNN etc. However they did have coverage so perhaps they contracted out to small reporters.

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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2014, 12:41:25 PM »
If my life would have turned out differnet. ( minus the views )
I would take leave from work. Get in my four wheel drive with all kit related. Pickup around 4 people that would be down ( or go alone if the are to chicken shit ) and be enroute.


Me personally. I'm hoping Hoping that some casualties arise and it is the shot heard round.

I'm tired of the grind. It's time to take our freedom back for good. Our only option is violence.
Every time we try something peacefully some sort of side with their own views on creating their own non-republic  screws it up. Mainly because their on the same damn side.

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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2014, 12:48:06 PM »
If my life would have turned out differnet. ( minus the views )
I would take leave from work. Get in my four wheel drive with all kit related. Pickup around 4 people that would be down ( or go alone if the are to chicken shit ) and be enroute.


Me personally. I'm hoping Hoping that some casualties arise and it is the shot heard round.

I'm tired of the grind. It's time to take our freedom back for good. Our only option is violence.
Every time we try something peacefully some sort of side with their own views on creating their own non-republic  screws it up. Mainly because their on the same damn side.

Till Valhalla.

Grandma used to say, "Be careful what you ask for.  You might get it.  And you might not like it when you do."



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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2014, 11:11:21 PM »
If my life would have turned out differnet. ( minus the views )
I would take leave from work. Get in my four wheel drive with all kit related. Pickup around 4 people that would be down ( or go alone if the are to chicken shit ) and be enroute.


Me personally. I'm hoping Hoping that some casualties arise and it is the shot heard round.

I'm tired of the grind. It's time to take our freedom back for good. Our only option is violence.
Every time we try something peacefully some sort of side with their own views on creating their own non-republic  screws it up. Mainly because their on the same damn side.

Till Valhalla.

Id rather just walk the tyrants onto boats at gunpoint. This thing will eventually come down to one question, perhaps asked in many different ways and maybe sometimes recieving the answer without asking. We might even get a country wide answer at some point.

"Hey government! Do you want to do this the easy way or the hard way?".

Their wish is my command.
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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2014, 02:07:46 AM »
No, I know what I'm asking for entirely.  I'm willing to except the consequences. 


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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2014, 11:55:46 AM »
No, I know what I'm asking for entirely.  I'm willing to except the consequences. 


The life we live is not the life we are supposed to be living.

I will not knock anyone with your viewpoint. I think every man has that voice screaming in his head to some degree. Personally ive just got a better muzzle on mine for the time being. My response is "well lets hope we can end this peacefully" but in my head im yelling "FUCK YA!".
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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2014, 01:43:31 PM »
Personally, I don't think anyone in their right mind wants a civil war.  It would bring death, destruction, chaos, and untold amounts of pain to our country.  I think we all have varying complaints of varying levels of severity of varying levels of validity about what our "freedoms" are and how they're being denied/protected/aided/trampled.  I have yet to see anything that would make me take up arms against the government, but others on here have differing tolerance levels.

I'm not naive enough to say that violence never solves anything.  However, I think if we ever have the choice, non-violence can effect as much or more change in its own way than violence can, and with farther-reaching consequences and impacts.  There are times, though, "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."  Also, "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."  (In fact, it's enlightening to read the reasons listed in the Declaration given for throwing off George III and England.  Some of them sound downright familiar. *ahem, government shutdown* http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html)

As to an SOP, I think we're missing an important piece of it: Leaders whom we can respect.  While I respect Ken's choice to go and support this, I don't think people like Bundy, or some of the rabble rousers like Beck, are people that a majority of folks would respect and follow.  I was (and to some extent still am) a huge fan of what President Obama has written and said about our country.  I am very disappointed in his actions, and before his second term (when we could no longer blame everything on Bush  ;) ) I might have followed him if he thought there was reason.  Speakers like him who are respectable, earnest, well-spoken, thoughtful, and whose lives reflect their stated values are the sorts of people that would have to be involved before I'd even consider taking up arms, assuming I believed in the cause in the first place, of course. 

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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2014, 01:53:44 PM »
WPW did you just say Obama is the kind of guy you'd get behind for these types of causes?
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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2014, 02:03:39 PM »
No - I said that I respected him as a leader and, before his actions showed otherwise, he was an example of the sort of leader that could galvanize a country (as he so clearly did in the 2008 elections).
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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2014, 03:05:55 PM »
No - I said that I respected him as a leader and, before his actions showed otherwise, he was an example of the sort of leader that could galvanize a country (as he so clearly did in the 2008 elections).

Oh I see. Essentially hes a good bullshitter right? :P
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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2014, 04:46:33 PM »
 :facepalm: Welcome back Wellie!

You all know my thoughts on our Leader however I do want to interject a few points. I did not vote for him in 2008 and I wasn't overly excited when he was sworn in as president. I said to myself, "Lets see what he can do. He did a great job uniting folks to vote for him hopefully he will do the same for the whole country ."

By the end of his first year I was blown away by his inability to unite the country. This man had the bully pulpit and used it to advance his socialist agenda rather than use it to bring the left and right together. There is a lot more that we have in common then we do apart.

Just think what he could of done if he said things like:
> Single parenthood is unacceptable. You make a baby get married
> Wearing your pants around your ankles is not the best way to go to a job interview
> Jamming through a bill that will affect 1/6th of the economy without input from across the aisle is
   short sighted
> Pitting the rich against the wealthy does not support harmony
> Pitting one ethnicity against the other does not unite a country

I am just blown away why this man wasted eight years of his life, creating such disharmony in a country that almost went into collapse in 2008. What a waste!

It boggles my mind.   
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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2014, 06:41:34 PM »
Personally, I don't think anyone in their right mind wants a civil war.  It would bring death, destruction, chaos, and untold amounts of pain to our country.like every war and false flag that we the " peaceful voter have already allowed ?  I think we all have varying complaints of varying levels of severity of varying levels of validity about what our "freedoms" are and how they're being denied/protected/aided/trampled.  I have yet to see anything that would make me take up arms against the government, but others on here have differing tolerance levels.the government engaging civilian forces at a ranch in Nevada maybe?

I'm not naive enough to say that violence never solves anything.  However, I think if we ever have the choice, non-violence can effect as much or more change in its own way than violence can, and with farther-reaching consequences and impacts.  There are times, though, "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."  Also, "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."  (In fact, it's enlightening to read the reasons listed in the Declaration given for throwing off George III and England.  Some of them sound downright familiar. *ahem, government shutdown* http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html)

As to an SOP, I think we're missing an important piece of it: Leaders whom we can respect.  While I respect Ken's choice to go and support this, I don't think people like Bundy, or some of the rabble rousers like Beck, are people that a majority of folks would respect and follow.  I was (and to some extent still am) a huge fan of what President Obama has written and said about our country.  I am very disappointed in his actions, and before his second term (when we could no longer blame everything on Bush  ;) ) I might have followed him if he thought there was reason.  Speakers like him who are respectable, earnest, well-spoken, thoughtful, and whose lives reflect their stated values are the sorts of people that would have to be involved before I'd even consider taking up arms, assuming I believed in the cause in the first place, of course.
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Re: Post Bundy Drama Thoughts
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2014, 06:51:08 PM »
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Essentially hes a good bullshitter right?


 :fuckYeah: There's so many places to go with this....If you like your health care you can keep it, same for doctor. I don't think he galvanized anything when he ran the first time, nor has he ever. It was all people caught up in the novelity. Essentially, if his mouth is moving, he's lying. I will not ever respect a liar.

I'll just put this here. Plenty of documentation.

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies