I think a big mistake they made is not to set up official press and comm channels.
That leads to a lot of speculation and fear mongering and if things went wrong there is no proof of what really happened.
I think a big mistake they made is not to set up official press and comm channels.
That leads to a lot of speculation and fear mongering and if things went wrong there is no proof of what really happened.
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That leads to a lot of speculation and fear mongering and if things went wrong there is no proof of what really happened.
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That appears today that is a week after the event, a good comm channel should be working since day 1, specially when people was concentrated in the spot
I think a big mistake they made is not to set up official press and comm channels.
That leads to a lot of speculation and fear mongering and if things went wrong there is no proof of what really happened.
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That appears today that is a week after the event, a good comm channel should be working since day 1, specially when people was concentrated in the spot
Its been in place for a while. Its just not as fun as the alternative media fear mongering so nobody really spreads the word about it.
I think a big mistake they made is not to set up official press and comm channels.
That leads to a lot of speculation and fear mongering and if things went wrong there is no proof of what really happened.
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That appears today that is a week after the event, a good comm channel should be working since day 1, specially when people was concentrated in the spot
Its been in place for a while. Its just not as fun as the alternative media fear mongering so nobody really spreads the word about it.
I'm pretty sure I asked for someone reporting in real time in the other thread and never got a response, even when you were already there, so if the channel already existed it was the same as nothing as no one knew it existed.
Protestors should always do everything to keep a protest peaceful, even if the other side provokes violence. A gun battle does nothing, except create a lot of widows on both sides, not to mention gives the side with the power (government) the excuse to exercise a full-bore nation-wide roundup of those who it deems enemies of the state.
I would have no problem with open-carry of sidearms, but escalating to full battle-rattle militias was a bad idea, and lucky it didn't lead to a massive escalation of violence in a very short time. There is a time and place, this event was not it.
From what I've seen this was not the event/situation that everyone is chomping at the bit for. Although there seemed enough people trying their level best to make it so. Pointing my fingers at Alex Jones, Beck, and others so-called voices of the common man. The Occupy movement succeeded for many months without the need for 2nd Amendment solutions. Where will most of the Bundy supporters be in a few weeks? Back safe and sound lapping up whatever the media tells them to. Not saying that will be you Ken, but being realistic, this will mostly be forgotten in a month or two. What we can learn from Occupy is sustainability and organization, which I don't see coming from the Bundy event. And while Occupy may not be the force it was, at the moment, the efforts at grassroots organization are still very apparent is you look closely.Protestors should always do everything to keep a protest peaceful, even if the other side provokes violence. A gun battle does nothing, except create a lot of widows on both sides, not to mention gives the side with the power (government) the excuse to exercise a full-bore nation-wide roundup of those who it deems enemies of the state.
I would have no problem with open-carry of sidearms, but escalating to full battle-rattle militias was a bad idea, and lucky it didn't lead to a massive escalation of violence in a very short time. There is a time and place, this event was not it.
If not here then where? If not now then when? There isnt enough reason to stand up already? You're still looking for a reason to get serious? The event isnt important. Making progress for freedom is. The fact that men were in full battle rattle is what kept the protesters safe. You have NO rights if you dont have and exercise your 2nd constantly. The feds were willing to talk because the protesters had guys with big guns on their side. God only knows what they would have done without them there.
From what I've seen this was not the event/situation that everyone is chomping at the bit for. Although there seemed enough people trying their level best to make it so. Pointing my fingers at Alex Jones, Beck, and others so-called voices of the common man. The Occupy movement succeeded for many months without the need for 2nd Amendment solutions. Where will most of the Bundy supporters be in a few weeks? Back safe and sound lapping up whatever the media tells them to. Not saying that will be you Ken, but being realistic, this will mostly be forgotten in a month or two. What we can learn from Occupy is sustainability and organization, which I don't see coming from the Bundy event. And while Occupy may not be the force it was, at the moment, the efforts at grassroots organization are still very apparent is you look closely.Protestors should always do everything to keep a protest peaceful, even if the other side provokes violence. A gun battle does nothing, except create a lot of widows on both sides, not to mention gives the side with the power (government) the excuse to exercise a full-bore nation-wide roundup of those who it deems enemies of the state.
I would have no problem with open-carry of sidearms, but escalating to full battle-rattle militias was a bad idea, and lucky it didn't lead to a massive escalation of violence in a very short time. There is a time and place, this event was not it.
If not here then where? If not now then when? There isnt enough reason to stand up already? You're still looking for a reason to get serious? The event isnt important. Making progress for freedom is. The fact that men were in full battle rattle is what kept the protesters safe. You have NO rights if you dont have and exercise your 2nd constantly. The feds were willing to talk because the protesters had guys with big guns on their side. God only knows what they would have done without them there.
Kenny you earned your III brother
Kenny you earned your III brother
I don't know about Beck or Jones I just want to ask a lot of questions. I guess I want to be supporting the right side when the next event happens.
If my life would have turned out differnet. ( minus the views )
I would take leave from work. Get in my four wheel drive with all kit related. Pickup around 4 people that would be down ( or go alone if the are to chicken shit ) and be enroute.
Me personally. I'm hoping Hoping that some casualties arise and it is the shot heard round.
I'm tired of the grind. It's time to take our freedom back for good. Our only option is violence.
Every time we try something peacefully some sort of side with their own views on creating their own non-republic screws it up. Mainly because their on the same damn side.
Till Valhalla.
If my life would have turned out differnet. ( minus the views )
I would take leave from work. Get in my four wheel drive with all kit related. Pickup around 4 people that would be down ( or go alone if the are to chicken shit ) and be enroute.
Me personally. I'm hoping Hoping that some casualties arise and it is the shot heard round.
I'm tired of the grind. It's time to take our freedom back for good. Our only option is violence.
Every time we try something peacefully some sort of side with their own views on creating their own non-republic screws it up. Mainly because their on the same damn side.
Till Valhalla.
No, I know what I'm asking for entirely. I'm willing to except the consequences.
The life we live is not the life we are supposed to be living.
No - I said that I respected him as a leader and, before his actions showed otherwise, he was an example of the sort of leader that could galvanize a country (as he so clearly did in the 2008 elections).
Personally, I don't thinkanyone in their right mindwants a civil war. It would bring death, destruction, chaos, and untold amounts of pain to our country.like every war and false flag that we the " peaceful voter have already allowed ? I think we all have varying complaints of varying levels of severity of varying levels of validity about what our "freedoms" are and how they're being denied/protected/aided/trampled. I have yet to see anything that would make me take up arms against the government, but others on here have differing tolerance levels.the government engaging civilian forces at a ranch in Nevada maybe?
I'm not naive enough to say that violence never solves anything. However, I think if we ever have the choice, non-violence can effect as much or more change in its own way than violence can, and with farther-reaching consequences and impacts. There are times, though, "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation." Also, "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." (In fact, it's enlightening to read the reasons listed in the Declaration given for throwing off George III and England. Some of them sound downright familiar. *ahem, government shutdown* [url]http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html[/url] ([url]http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html[/url]))
As to an SOP, I think we're missing an important piece of it: Leaders whom we can respect. While I respect Ken's choice to go and support this, I don't think people like Bundy, or some of the rabble rousers like Beck, are people that a majority of folks would respect and follow. I was (and to some extent still am) a huge fan of what President Obama has written and said about our country. I am very disappointed in his actions, and before his second term (when we could no longer blame everything on Bush ;) ) I might have followed him if he thought there was reason. Speakers like him who are respectable, earnest, well-spoken, thoughtful, and whose lives reflect their stated values are the sorts of people that would have to be involved before I'd even consider taking up arms, assuming I believed in the cause in the first place, of course.
Essentially hes a good bullshitter right?