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Re: M1a?
« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2012, 10:30:56 PM »
i figured for the $$ on the one i was lookin at i might as well give it a try

looks like i got a good century wasr10/63
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Re: M1a?
« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2012, 11:05:19 PM »
You guys are the only people who can take a F'ing Troll thread and make a argument about m1a's.  lol
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Re: M1a?
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2012, 11:07:43 PM »
Well the title IS M1A ;)

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Re: M1a?
« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2012, 11:30:46 PM »
You guys are the only people who can take a F'ing Troll thread and make a argument about m1a's.  lol

Not only that.  We then turned it into a big game hunting and AK love fest.

Further proof that there is nothing that we cannot accomplish as a group.  All is possible!

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Re: M1a?
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2012, 12:04:38 AM »
Well, we could both go 'round and 'round in circles about the M1A...but we wouldn't get any further than we have already. So, I will agree to disagree with you.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

I've heard several experienced people say what you've already said, and I've also heard just as many say the opposite. So, I'm left to decide by myself...and I already own an M1A. Ultimately, every platform has its downsides. You just have to know your weapon, as you already said, Mtn.

***Oh, and I'm not 100% convinced that my Springfield is to blame for that ammo. I'll PM you when I discover what the problem is. I didn't clean the Cosmoline (bad advice from someone "experienced") out before I shot, so that may have been the problem. Also, the foreign milsurp ammo I got was .40 per round, not .60. The .60 I referred to is the American-made Lake City milsurp ammo on CTD.  ;)

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Re: M1a?
« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2012, 01:17:48 AM »
whats that ammo stamped?
i've heard the ones stamped MEN can have feed issues
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« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2012, 03:18:04 AM »
another great thing about the m1a it can be used as a bottle opener.

so F the AR.

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« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2012, 04:41:05 AM »
another great thing about the m1a it can be used as a bottle opener.

so F the AR.

Uhh . . . don't you have an AR?
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« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2012, 08:36:10 AM »
another great thing about the m1a it can be used as a bottle opener.

so F the AR.

 ???

News to me...LOL

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Re: M1a?
« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2012, 01:07:34 PM »
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Us low lands rednecks don't hunt anything taller than we are with anything less than a 30 caliber bullet.

Sledge hit the nail on the head with that one.

You know whats funny about all that talk though.... we have a lot of the smallest animals around.

Maybe it's because we value our lives. What do you think sledge?
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« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2012, 01:07:49 PM »
i knew you were trollin but i was just saying dont get rid of the 22 lol

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Re: M1a?
« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2012, 02:27:30 PM »
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Us low lands rednecks don't hunt anything taller than we are with anything less than a 30 caliber bullet.

Sledge hit the nail on the head with that one.

You know whats funny about all that talk though.... we have a lot of the smallest animals around.

Maybe it's because we value our lives. What do you think sledge?

or perhaps its because of a lack of skill on your part?
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Re: M1a?
« Reply #62 on: January 03, 2012, 02:40:48 PM »
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Us low lands rednecks don't hunt anything taller than we are with anything less than a 30 caliber bullet.

Sledge hit the nail on the head with that one.

You know whats funny about all that talk though.... we have a lot of the smallest animals around.

Maybe it's because we value our lives. What do you think sledge?

or perhaps its because of a lack of skill on your part?

Redneck... I don't care how skilled you are. Going up against a Tiger with a .22 caliber bullet on roids is just fucking stupid.
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Re: M1a?
« Reply #63 on: January 03, 2012, 02:59:59 PM »
Redneck... I don't care how skilled you are. Going up against a Tiger with a .22 caliber bullet on roids is just fucking stupid.
I'm currently living in a city with a world famous zoo AND some of the most relaxed exotic pet laws.  It's not uncommon here to see someone walking their baboon or tiger down the sidewalk.  Needless to say.....It's a good reason to switch to .308.
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Re: M1a?
« Reply #64 on: January 03, 2012, 03:39:26 PM »
if you are thinking there will be tigers roaming about your fuckin loony tunes  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

even at that, the chances of a predator ever attackng you is about as good as obama pulling his head out his ass
possible yes, but will it ever actually happen? NO
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« Reply #65 on: January 03, 2012, 04:06:29 PM »
if you are thinking there will be tigers roaming about your fuckin loony tunes 

LOL! Famous last words!  You may not have any zoo's up in the mountains.  But down here they are something to think about.  Also in some of those states that surround Colorado there are large wild animal ranches.

Plus in Texas, next door to CO,  they have squirrels the size of brown bears.   Everything is bigger in Texas.  I won't go into what kind of nuts they store up for the winter.   :)








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Re: M1a?
« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2012, 04:24:29 PM »
if you are thinking there will be tigers roaming about your fuckin loony tunes  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

even at that, the chances of a predator ever attackng you is about as good as obama pulling his head out his ass
possible yes, but will it ever actually happen? NO

You have me wandering...What reality do you live in? [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
The "S" hasn't even "HTF" yet, and exotic cats on the loose are a real problem where I live.  It's in the news quite often.
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« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2012, 04:37:14 PM »
if you are thinking there will be tigers roaming about your fuckin loony tunes  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

even at that, the chances of a predator ever attackng you is about as good as obama pulling his head out his ass
possible yes, but will it ever actually happen? NO

You have me wandering...What reality do you live in? [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
The "S" hasn't even "HTF" yet, and exotic cats on the loose are a real problem where I live.  It's in the news quite often.


Same here.  And I read a headline that said there may be a problem with Black Panthers around the polling places on voting day.  I saw a discovery channel show where Jaguars have been expanding their territory from South America, through Mexico, and are now in the Southern U.S.  But who knew we would have a problem with them this soon?



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« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2012, 04:44:31 PM »
Same here.  And I read a headline that said there may be a problem with Black Panthers around the polling places on voting day.  I saw a discovery channel show where Jaguars have been expanding their territory from South America, through Mexico, and are now in the Southern U.S.  But who knew we would have a problem with them this soon?
We have one of the highest exotic pet populations here, and with the economy the way it's going, owners are finding out they can't afford their pets and just turning them loose!  Just this past summer, some guy opened the gates on his exotic cat sanctuary just before he committed suicide, leaving the locals and authorities to deal with a number of large cats.
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« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2012, 04:47:15 PM »
Tiger stir fry to go with all that rice I have stored. 
Elsa fritters anyone >:D

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Re: M1a?
« Reply #70 on: January 03, 2012, 04:51:42 PM »
if you are thinking there will be tigers roaming about your fuckin loony tunes  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

even at that, the chances of a predator ever attackng you is about as good as obama pulling his head out his ass
possible yes, but will it ever actually happen? NO

You have me wandering...What reality do you live in? [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
The "S" hasn't even "HTF" yet, and exotic cats on the loose are a real problem where I live.  It's in the news quite often.


you have tigers roaming your area?
because there is a big fuckin difference between a tiger and mtn lions, panthers, jaguars........
tigers are like 600lbs or more

whereas cougars panthers rarely hit 200lbs and jaguars "might" hit 300lbs
and none of em are very tough, shit 22mag revolvers is the preferred cougar hunting gun up here

you wish to talk reality, how many cougars jaguars and panthers have you seen in your life?
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Re: M1a?
« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2012, 04:59:29 PM »
if you are thinking there will be tigers roaming about your fuckin loony tunes  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

even at that, the chances of a predator ever attackng you is about as good as obama pulling his head out his ass
possible yes, but will it ever actually happen? NO

You have me wandering...What reality do you live in? [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
The "S" hasn't even "HTF" yet, and exotic cats on the loose are a real problem where I live.  It's in the news quite often.


you have tigers roaming your area?



Not Tigers yet.  But I have seen a couple of Florida Panthers in my yard, not to mention the bobcats.  I make a loud meeoowww at them and they dart off into the woods.

I haven't kept an exact count, but this should be close.
Tigers - 15 to 20
Cougars (Panthers) - 30 to 45
Jaguars - 0



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« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2012, 05:03:47 PM »
Well, I said I was going to let it be, but I cannot. Mountain, if you're not hating on the M1A, you're decrying the 7.62 NATO/.308 in favor of the 5.56/.223.

If the 7.62 NATO did not have superior capabilities to the 5.56, why do police forces and the U.S. military (as well as militaries around the world) use it as a DM cartridge to reliably and accurately kill humans at distances of greater than 100-200 yards? If the 5.56 was so capable that it can easily do whatever the 7.62 NATO can, why would these organizations invest in more than one platform? The answer: the 5.56 is NOT as capable as the 7.62 NATO in fulfilling certain roles. Sure, a skilled shooter can make it perform excellently with a lot of time and practice. An equally skilled shooter could boost the 7.62 NATO's performance just as much. An AR15 could probably bring down a bear if you wanted to do so, but only if you have a combination of luck and excellent skill in shot placement. Sure, a 5.56 or a .22 can bring down a deer/human/whatever, but, again, it's all about shot placement. What if the many outside factors affecting your shot (how tired you are during WROL, how cold/hot you are, how uncomfortable you are, the adrenaline running through you, your heart rate, your breathing) prevent you from achieving that shot placement and you either miss or hit an area in which the 5.56 is not capable of seriously affecting?

If the 5.56 is just as effective as the 7.62 NATO, why have I talked to many Marines and soldiers who said they wished they could have had a FAL or an M1A chambered in 7.62 NATO issued to them instead of an M16/M4 variant, because of the enemy's ability to outdistance them or shoot through "cover" with an older, higher-caliber bolt-action rifle?

If you want to rely on the 5.56 and are comfy with it, then that's your choice and you should. You know your own mind, your own capabilities, and your own territory when it comes to defense. If you are comfortable with the thought that it will probably take 2-3 shots to knock an adrenaline-filled enemy effectively out of the fight, then go with the 5.56. No matter how you analyze it, any 5.56 load, when compared with a similar 7.62 NATO load, is not as powerful as a 7.62 NATO. If you want to be able to spray/suppress a lot more than 7.62 NATO users, then cool. Don't try to tell everybody else that because they take a different approach to defense that they are inferior. My M1A may have 10 fewer rounds per magazine, be heavier, and use more expensive ammunition, but the design is still battle-proven and reliable, uses a more powerful ammunition that is more likely to effectively take down a target in the first shot, is still able to make reliable kill shots at several hundred yards away if necessary, and can penetrate certain types of "cover" in an urban environment that the 5.56 cannot.

I prefer to have less ammo and a heavier rifle because I believe those two tools provide me with better abilities to survive: better chance to eliminate target with one shot, deny "cover" to the enemy, and make accurate kill shots at long ranges. If you like the faster-shooting, higher-cap AR system, I applaud you. You should fit your equipment to your mindset and your strategy. Just don't think that the M1A/7.62 NATO is inferior to the AR/5.56 in every essential way. It isn't. I've seen too many reports of failures of the 5.56 to stop hostiles in Afghanistan and Iraq, combined with the in-person reports I previously described, to possibly make me think that the 5.56 is just as capable of stopping a human (or anything else of similar size) as a 7.62 NATO. Shot placement, you say? Sure, if you can make the shot in that kill zone. Your target won't be standing still, you won't be calm, the environment won't always be nice for you, you won't always have time for precise aiming, and it is proven through battlefield reports that an adrenaline-filled enemy can not only withstand one round of 5.56, he can still return fire effectively despite it.

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« Reply #73 on: January 03, 2012, 05:24:42 PM »
Right tool for the job guys. If you have a choice consider yourself in a good place. If I'm on a walk in the woods dealing with mosquito bitten COD fags the ar or ak is just peachy with me, a slight preference for the ar myself. If I'm manning the road block against rabid starving yuppies driving VWs BMWs and Subaru SUVs with their attack shitzu or jack russel ready to tear me up and looking to loot my bulk packaged captain crunch and canisters of tang I want at least a 308 or 30-06, maybe 12 gauge slugs to slow down those horseless wheeled devil wagons.


I think this is my new favorite topic.

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« Reply #74 on: January 03, 2012, 05:57:16 PM »
Right tool for the job guys. If you have a choice consider yourself in a good place. If I'm on a walk in the woods dealing with mosquito bitten COD fags the ar or ak is just peachy with me, a slight preference for the ar myself. If I'm manning the road block against rabid starving yuppies driving VWs BMWs and Subaru SUVs with their attack shitzu or jack russel ready to tear me up and looking to loot my bulk packaged captain crunch and canisters of tang I want at least a 308 or 30-06, maybe 12 gauge slugs to slow down those horseless wheeled devil wagons.


LOL!  I got a kick out of reading that.   :)    Attack shitzu's, horseless wheeled devil wagons, good stuff.



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