Home defense gun?

[tony1111]

So lately ive been putting alot of thought towards what gun i use for home defense and i was thinking if i shoot some one with my AR what will the court think about all the shit on my rifle, especially these days with all the stuff people are putting on their rifle (i.e laser/ir lasers, lights, red dots, bayos, and tons of other crap). Knowing must left wing people who dont know anything about guns theyll say "thats a muder gun", "you bought that gun just to kill people", or "that guns made to kill" some BS along those lines, so Ive been thinking about what gun to use and i went with the tried and true basic Remmy 870 with a light for "hog hunting" or a single shot H&R 12 ga with a butt cuff on it and ill run it like Clint Smith. If any one else has some thoughts on this please chime in and tell me what you think  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

[Kobalt]

Sounds good to me.

[sledge]

The 870 was a pretty good decision.   

[Kentactic]

i use my g23 when sleeping and the 870 follows me around the house during the day and when im up after dark (with lights still on in the house) and once i get a "hog light" on it, it will be the all time home defense gun.

[rah45]

I know that FrontSight Firearms Institute advocates using a medium or full-size pistol for in-home defense. Reasons: wall penetration is less of an issue, magazines are easily changed, it provides many shots that you can fire rapidly, it cuts corners extremely well, a taclight easily fits on it and is easily accessible without too much effort, it's not a "murder gun," and they're relatively cheap to purchase and train with. Plus, if you train with it for carry or home defense, you also have that training for the other. Double the benefit. I know that I don't train to carry my 870 around. When I train for carry or in-home defense, I use my secondary.

[Kentactic]

I know that FrontSight Firearms Institute advocates using a medium or full-size pistol for in-home defense. Reasons: wall penetration is less of an issue, magazines are easily changed, it provides many shots that you can fire rapidly, it cuts corners extremely well, a taclight easily fits on it and is easily accessible without too much effort, it's not a "murder gun," and they're relatively cheap to purchase and train with. Plus, if you train with it for carry or home defense, you also have that training for the other. Double the benefit. I know that I don't train to carry my 870 around. When I train for carry or in-home defense, I use my secondary.

i agree with all of that except the part where you said mags are easily changed... i dont sleep with my belt holding spare mags on it. most dont. i wear underwear to bed and thats it. and my underwear has no pockets. when some ones breaking into your house or is already in your house you better not be trying to put on some belt with spare mags on it. so unless im carrying the spare mags in my hands then there will be no reloading with my secondary. and carrying mags around with you in your hands while you clear the house compromises your ability to shoot and keep a grip on the pistol (god forbid a bad guy reaches for it out of a blind corner or something.) among other things. so mag changes are not going to happen as far as im concerned and i doubt ill live to need to reload my pistol anyways. if i missed that many times im in bad shape.

[special-k]

You mean I'm the only dude who sleeps with a loaded mag jammed up their ass? 

Gives new meaning to "stovepiping." [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

[Ghost]

You mean I'm the only dude who sleeps with a loaded mag jammed up their ass? 

Gives new meaning to "stovepiping." [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

Best thing I've read all day lol.

[tony1111]

You mean I'm the only dude who sleeps with a loaded mag jammed up their ass? 

Gives new meaning to "stovepiping." [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

Bahahahaha! Thank you sir, that was a good laugh.

Brings new meaning to having a shitty reload. Sorry couldn't help myself.

Haha! dude i dont think ive laughed that hard in forever! nice one you guys! 

[tony1111]

My secondary sits in condition 1 with a mounted light within arms reach of the bed, it also follows me wherever I go 24/7; so I've inherently become most comfortable with it's functionality and therefore have selected it for my HD choice. If my 590 had a rail attachment for a light, I might consider it for the HD role for it's superior firepower. Downsides; low ammunition capacity compared to other options and tactically more difficult to move around with in a CQB scenario (with a full stock in my instance.)

One plus to the shotgun is it's extra devastating stopping power. But I don't buy into the whole shotgun being the ultimate HD gun because you can hit your target blind mentality. No matter what weapon system a person chooses they can miss and it's their responsibility to be proficient with it; obviously that all goes without saying.

I'd pick a handgun IMO, it just seems to have more pros than cons.

I think those all good points! My point is just making my HD gun not look like a "murder gun". I like pistols to especially if you have kids and you might have to grab one of them and shoot at the same time and there more maneuverable 

[rah45]

I'm not saying that you'll have time to "gear up." That would be ridiculous. I'm saying that if you have a spare, loaded mag next to your pistol, if you have something on that has a pocket you can always jam that mag in it. Takes only a second or two, and you'll have double your ammo capacity. Choose a shotgun, and you'll be either going with what's on the stock and sling, or jamming shells into your pocket.

Also, personally I think that a BOOM *miss* "click-clack" is worse than a POP *miss* POP *miss* POP *hit!*

[goodnightChesty1775]

or you can buy a blackhawk riggers belt like 35 bucks and keep 2 mags on that, you can put that thing on in less than 3 secs easy....

[tony1111]

I'm not saying that you'll have time to "gear up." That would be ridiculous. I'm saying that if you have a spare, loaded mag next to your pistol, if you have something on that has a pocket you can always jam that mag in it. Takes only a second or two, and you'll have double your ammo capacity. Choose a shotgun, and you'll be either going with what's on the stock and sling, or jamming shells into your pocket.

Also, personally I think that a BOOM *miss* "click-clack" is worse than a POP *miss* POP *miss* POP *hit!*

For gear in the middle of the night I go with the Clint Smith way skip to 1:07 for the part im talking about

Home Defense

[goodnightChesty1775]

thats an awesome idea, you could do that with any misc pouch and some 550 cord

[backwoodsboy]

went duck huntin this morning with the 870 20 gauge but no ducks, put down one speck and was the only one to kill one, everyone else was shooting beretta 3 1/2 in semi autos, not trying to brag, just saying you dont need the most expensive shotgun to get the job done.

[crudos]

Home defense gun? Mosin Nagant 91/30 with bayonet attached. Because you never know when you might need to go on a bayonet charge down your hallway. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

[backwoodsboy]

 i thought it might be a good idea to put paracord across the hallway about ankle high so if someone charges u they will hopefully trip and fall but i dont live by myself so thats a no no.

[themighty9mm]

Whats that sayin? Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6? I put full faith in that. IF, it ever comes down to I am going to need to defend my life or my families life inside my own home, I am going to use the best possible means to do so. If I could get my hands on a man portable dillon mini gun, then thats what I'd use. Given what I own in my home, I myself will always choose my AR's. I'll worry about the after math/what people think after I know me and mine is out of harms way. Besides, many states have or are adopting the castle laws, or similar. Self defence is self defence, many people reckognize this as fact reguardless of what you use. Minus the most uber left wing in most cases ofcourse. Something else to think about, AR's have become fairly well reckognized as small to mid sized game guns, by both left and right wing. Configuration dependant ofcourse.

That being said if you feel for your needs the remington is the best choice for you in your situation, by all means go for it

[backwoodsboy]

good point about that for sure, +1 for u 9mm

[themighty9mm]

My secondary sits in condition 1 with a mounted light within arms reach of the bed, it also follows me wherever I go 24/7; so I've inherently become most comfortable with it's functionality and therefore have selected it for my HD choice. If my 590 had a rail attachment for a light, I might consider it for the HD role for it's superior firepower. Downsides; low ammunition capacity compared to other options and tactically more difficult to move around with in a CQB scenario (with a full stock in my instance.)

One plus to the shotgun is it's extra devastating stopping power. But I don't buy into the whole shotgun being the ultimate HD gun because you can hit your target blind mentality. No matter what weapon system a person chooses they can miss and it's their responsibility to be proficient with it; obviously that all goes without saying.

I'd pick a handgun IMO, it just seems to have more pros than cons.

I do agree no matter the system good practice is key
Other downside to shot guns much slower reload in general, much slower follow up shot, should one be needed.

I dont much buy into stopping power. Shots on target, into vitals is what will stop an assailant the quickest. Even then outside of a brain shot (not just head shot) or upper spinal column shot, the attacker can still function enough to continue pulling the trigger in most cases. A heart shot is a close seconed, but can still allow the attacker to continue an attack for a breif period of time.

[tony1111]

Whats that sayin? Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6? I put full faith in that. IF, it ever comes down to I am going to need to defend my life or my families life inside my own home, I am going to use the best possible means to do so. If I could get my hands on a man portable dillon mini gun, then thats what I'd use. Given what I own in my home, I myself will always choose my AR's. I'll worry about the after math/what people think after I know me and mine is out of harms way. Besides, many states have or are adopting the castle laws, or similar. Self defence is self defence, many people reckognize this as fact reguardless of what you use. Minus the most uber left wing in most cases ofcourse. Something else to think about, AR's have become fairly well reckognized as small to mid sized game guns, by both left and right wing. Configuration dependant ofcourse.

That being said if you feel for your needs the remington is the best choice for you in your situation, by all means go for it

I dont blame you i think the AR is great for HD, i would just go with good ammo and something thats not going to go through a wall

[Kentactic]

I'm not saying that you'll have time to "gear up." That would be ridiculous. I'm saying that if you have a spare, loaded mag next to your pistol, if you have something on that has a pocket you can always jam that mag in it. Takes only a second or two, and you'll have double your ammo capacity. Choose a shotgun, and you'll be either going with what's on the stock and sling, or jamming shells into your pocket.

Also, personally I think that a BOOM *miss* "click-clack" is worse than a POP *miss* POP *miss* POP *hit!*

yeah ive always said the auto-loading pistol is the best option for home defense if you live in a normal size house or smaller. the reason im planning on making the switch is my shotgun is my primary. and your primary is suppose to be your go to gun. its what you always will reach for when you hear a supicious sound. and mine also holds 12 rounds securely on the gun. 6 in the tube and 6 on the side saddle...thats one more round then my pistol (10+1). and as far as working the action on a shotgun between shots that are missing. there are guys that can shoot a pump as fast as other guys shoot there semi-auto shotguns. the racking of the action takes place as second nature as if your shooting a semi-auto shotgun. by the time recoils done and the guns settled down again theres already a new round ready to go.

[Hondokov]

Home defense gun? Mosin Nagant 91/30 with bayonet attached. Because you never know when you might need to go on a bayonet charge down your hallway. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

Great rifle...... mine doubles as a paddle for my canoe.

[themighty9mm]

Whats that sayin? Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6? I put full faith in that. IF, it ever comes down to I am going to need to defend my life or my families life inside my own home, I am going to use the best possible means to do so. If I could get my hands on a man portable dillon mini gun, then thats what I'd use. Given what I own in my home, I myself will always choose my AR's. I'll worry about the after math/what people think after I know me and mine is out of harms way. Besides, many states have or are adopting the castle laws, or similar. Self defence is self defence, many people reckognize this as fact reguardless of what you use. Minus the most uber left wing in most cases ofcourse. Something else to think about, AR's have become fairly well reckognized as small to mid sized game guns, by both left and right wing. Configuration dependant ofcourse.

That being said if you feel for your needs the remington is the best choice for you in your situation, by all means go for it

I dont blame you i think the AR is great for HD, i would just go with good ammo and something thats not going to go through a wall

Actually in many cases the 5.56 goes through less interior walls than even a 9mm or 12 guage. Even at that. ANY caliber one would comfortably use in self defence with will pass right through several interior walls. Dont think for a seconed that a 12 guage stops at the first wall. Exceptions being (not 12 guage) frangible ammunition. Even with frangible, it can pass through a walls

[sledge]

Whats that sayin? Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6? I put full faith in that. IF, it ever comes down to I am going to need to defend my life or my families life inside my own home, I am going to use the best possible means to do so. If I could get my hands on a man portable dillon mini gun, then thats what I'd use. Given what I own in my home, I myself will always choose my AR's. I'll worry about the after math/what people think after I know me and mine is out of harms way. Besides, many states have or are adopting the castle laws, or similar. Self defence is self defence, many people reckognize this as fact reguardless of what you use. Minus the most uber left wing in most cases ofcourse. Something else to think about, AR's have become fairly well reckognized as small to mid sized game guns, by both left and right wing. Configuration dependant ofcourse.

That being said if you feel for your needs the remington is the best choice for you in your situation, by all means go for it

I dont blame you i think the AR is great for HD, i would just go with good ammo and something thats not going to go through a wall

Actually in many cases the 5.56 goes through less interior walls than even a 9mm or 12 guage. Even at that. ANY caliber one would comfortably use in self defence with will pass right through several interior walls. Dont think for a seconed that a 12 guage stops at the first wall. Exceptions being (not 12 guage) frangible ammunition. Even with frangible, it can pass through a walls

Just don't forget to take the safety off and start pulling the trigger if someone you weren't expecting suddenly kicks in your front door.  Otherwise you could wind up on the floor gasping for air for an hour with 27 slugs in you.