Post by: tony1111 on December 30, 2011, 07:34:02 PM
Post by: Kobalt on December 30, 2011, 07:37:28 PM
Post by: sledge on December 30, 2011, 08:21:06 PM
Post by: Kentactic on December 30, 2011, 08:24:28 PM
Post by: rah45 on December 30, 2011, 08:53:36 PM
Post by: Kentactic on December 30, 2011, 09:08:37 PM
I know that FrontSight Firearms Institute advocates using a medium or full-size pistol for in-home defense. Reasons: wall penetration is less of an issue, magazines are easily changed, it provides many shots that you can fire rapidly, it cuts corners extremely well, a taclight easily fits on it and is easily accessible without too much effort, it's not a "murder gun," and they're relatively cheap to purchase and train with. Plus, if you train with it for carry or home defense, you also have that training for the other. Double the benefit. I know that I don't train to carry my 870 around. When I train for carry or in-home defense, I use my secondary.
i agree with all of that except the part where you said mags are easily changed... i dont sleep with my belt holding spare mags on it. most dont. i wear underwear to bed and thats it. and my underwear has no pockets. when some ones breaking into your house or is already in your house you better not be trying to put on some belt with spare mags on it. so unless im carrying the spare mags in my hands then there will be no reloading with my secondary. and carrying mags around with you in your hands while you clear the house compromises your ability to shoot and keep a grip on the pistol (god forbid a bad guy reaches for it out of a blind corner or something.) among other things. so mag changes are not going to happen as far as im concerned and i doubt ill live to need to reload my pistol anyways. if i missed that many times im in bad shape.
Post by: special-k on December 30, 2011, 09:18:08 PM
You mean I'm the only dude who sleeps with a loaded mag jammed up their ass???? :o
Gives new meaning to "stovepiping." [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Post by: Ghost on December 30, 2011, 09:20:36 PM
Best thing I've read all day lol.You mean I'm the only dude who sleeps with a loaded mag jammed up their ass???? :o
Gives new meaning to "stovepiping." [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Post by: tony1111 on December 30, 2011, 09:35:13 PM
You mean I'm the only dude who sleeps with a loaded mag jammed up their ass???? :o
Gives new meaning to "stovepiping." [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Bahahahaha! Thank you sir, that was a good laugh.
Brings new meaning to having a shitty reload. Sorry couldn't help myself.
Haha! dude i dont think ive laughed that hard in forever! nice one you guys! :D
Post by: tony1111 on December 30, 2011, 09:38:33 PM
My secondary sits in condition 1 with a mounted light within arms reach of the bed, it also follows me wherever I go 24/7; so I've inherently become most comfortable with it's functionality and therefore have selected it for my HD choice. If my 590 had a rail attachment for a light, I might consider it for the HD role for it's superior firepower. Downsides; low ammunition capacity compared to other options and tactically more difficult to move around with in a CQB scenario (with a full stock in my instance.)
One plus to the shotgun is it's extra devastating stopping power. But I don't buy into the whole shotgun being the ultimate HD gun because you can hit your target blind mentality. No matter what weapon system a person chooses they can miss and it's their responsibility to be proficient with it; obviously that all goes without saying.
I'd pick a handgun IMO, it just seems to have more pros than cons.
I think those all good points! My point is just making my HD gun not look like a "murder gun". I like pistols to especially if you have kids and you might have to grab one of them and shoot at the same time and there more maneuverable
Post by: rah45 on December 30, 2011, 10:10:20 PM
Also, personally I think that a BOOM *miss* "click-clack" is worse than a POP *miss* POP *miss* POP *hit!*
Post by: goodnightChesty1775 on December 30, 2011, 10:17:21 PM
Post by: tony1111 on December 30, 2011, 10:20:52 PM
I'm not saying that you'll have time to "gear up." That would be ridiculous. I'm saying that if you have a spare, loaded mag next to your pistol, if you have something on that has a pocket you can always jam that mag in it. Takes only a second or two, and you'll have double your ammo capacity. Choose a shotgun, and you'll be either going with what's on the stock and sling, or jamming shells into your pocket.
Also, personally I think that a BOOM *miss* "click-clack" is worse than a POP *miss* POP *miss* POP *hit!*
For gear in the middle of the night I go with the Clint Smith way skip to 1:07 for the part im talking about
Home Defense (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly_7RF0oJsk#)
Post by: goodnightChesty1775 on December 30, 2011, 10:40:06 PM
Post by: backwoodsboy on December 30, 2011, 11:40:00 PM
Post by: crudos on December 30, 2011, 11:45:10 PM
Post by: backwoodsboy on December 30, 2011, 11:57:45 PM
Post by: themighty9mm on December 30, 2011, 11:58:29 PM
That being said if you feel for your needs the remington is the best choice for you in your situation, by all means go for it
Post by: backwoodsboy on December 31, 2011, 12:01:02 AM
Post by: themighty9mm on December 31, 2011, 12:06:21 AM
My secondary sits in condition 1 with a mounted light within arms reach of the bed, it also follows me wherever I go 24/7; so I've inherently become most comfortable with it's functionality and therefore have selected it for my HD choice. If my 590 had a rail attachment for a light, I might consider it for the HD role for it's superior firepower. Downsides; low ammunition capacity compared to other options and tactically more difficult to move around with in a CQB scenario (with a full stock in my instance.)I do agree no matter the system good practice is key
One plus to the shotgun is it's extra devastating stopping power. But I don't buy into the whole shotgun being the ultimate HD gun because you can hit your target blind mentality. No matter what weapon system a person chooses they can miss and it's their responsibility to be proficient with it; obviously that all goes without saying.
I'd pick a handgun IMO, it just seems to have more pros than cons.
Other downside to shot guns much slower reload in general, much slower follow up shot, should one be needed.
I dont much buy into stopping power. Shots on target, into vitals is what will stop an assailant the quickest. Even then outside of a brain shot (not just head shot) or upper spinal column shot, the attacker can still function enough to continue pulling the trigger in most cases. A heart shot is a close seconed, but can still allow the attacker to continue an attack for a breif period of time.
Post by: tony1111 on January 01, 2012, 04:55:57 AM
Whats that sayin? Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6? I put full faith in that. IF, it ever comes down to I am going to need to defend my life or my families life inside my own home, I am going to use the best possible means to do so. If I could get my hands on a man portable dillon mini gun, then thats what I'd use. Given what I own in my home, I myself will always choose my AR's. I'll worry about the after math/what people think after I know me and mine is out of harms way. Besides, many states have or are adopting the castle laws, or similar. Self defence is self defence, many people reckognize this as fact reguardless of what you use. Minus the most uber left wing in most cases ofcourse. Something else to think about, AR's have become fairly well reckognized as small to mid sized game guns, by both left and right wing. Configuration dependant ofcourse.
That being said if you feel for your needs the remington is the best choice for you in your situation, by all means go for it
I dont blame you i think the AR is great for HD, i would just go with good ammo and something thats not going to go through a wall
Post by: Kentactic on January 01, 2012, 11:28:59 AM
I'm not saying that you'll have time to "gear up." That would be ridiculous. I'm saying that if you have a spare, loaded mag next to your pistol, if you have something on that has a pocket you can always jam that mag in it. Takes only a second or two, and you'll have double your ammo capacity. Choose a shotgun, and you'll be either going with what's on the stock and sling, or jamming shells into your pocket.
Also, personally I think that a BOOM *miss* "click-clack" is worse than a POP *miss* POP *miss* POP *hit!*
yeah ive always said the auto-loading pistol is the best option for home defense if you live in a normal size house or smaller. the reason im planning on making the switch is my shotgun is my primary. and your primary is suppose to be your go to gun. its what you always will reach for when you hear a supicious sound. and mine also holds 12 rounds securely on the gun. 6 in the tube and 6 on the side saddle...thats one more round then my pistol (10+1). and as far as working the action on a shotgun between shots that are missing. there are guys that can shoot a pump as fast as other guys shoot there semi-auto shotguns. the racking of the action takes place as second nature as if your shooting a semi-auto shotgun. by the time recoils done and the guns settled down again theres already a new round ready to go.
Post by: Hondokov on January 01, 2012, 06:32:25 PM
Home defense gun? Mosin Nagant 91/30 with bayonet attached. Because you never know when you might need to go on a bayonet charge down your hallway. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/atGreat rifle...... mine doubles as a paddle for my canoe.
Post by: themighty9mm on January 01, 2012, 06:46:50 PM
Whats that sayin? Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6? I put full faith in that. IF, it ever comes down to I am going to need to defend my life or my families life inside my own home, I am going to use the best possible means to do so. If I could get my hands on a man portable dillon mini gun, then thats what I'd use. Given what I own in my home, I myself will always choose my AR's. I'll worry about the after math/what people think after I know me and mine is out of harms way. Besides, many states have or are adopting the castle laws, or similar. Self defence is self defence, many people reckognize this as fact reguardless of what you use. Minus the most uber left wing in most cases ofcourse. Something else to think about, AR's have become fairly well reckognized as small to mid sized game guns, by both left and right wing. Configuration dependant ofcourse.
That being said if you feel for your needs the remington is the best choice for you in your situation, by all means go for it
I dont blame you i think the AR is great for HD, i would just go with good ammo and something thats not going to go through a wall
Actually in many cases the 5.56 goes through less interior walls than even a 9mm or 12 guage. Even at that. ANY caliber one would comfortably use in self defence with will pass right through several interior walls. Dont think for a seconed that a 12 guage stops at the first wall. Exceptions being (not 12 guage) frangible ammunition. Even with frangible, it can pass through a walls
Post by: sledge on January 01, 2012, 06:51:38 PM
Whats that sayin? Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6? I put full faith in that. IF, it ever comes down to I am going to need to defend my life or my families life inside my own home, I am going to use the best possible means to do so. If I could get my hands on a man portable dillon mini gun, then thats what I'd use. Given what I own in my home, I myself will always choose my AR's. I'll worry about the after math/what people think after I know me and mine is out of harms way. Besides, many states have or are adopting the castle laws, or similar. Self defence is self defence, many people reckognize this as fact reguardless of what you use. Minus the most uber left wing in most cases ofcourse. Something else to think about, AR's have become fairly well reckognized as small to mid sized game guns, by both left and right wing. Configuration dependant ofcourse.
That being said if you feel for your needs the remington is the best choice for you in your situation, by all means go for it
I dont blame you i think the AR is great for HD, i would just go with good ammo and something thats not going to go through a wall
Actually in many cases the 5.56 goes through less interior walls than even a 9mm or 12 guage. Even at that. ANY caliber one would comfortably use in self defence with will pass right through several interior walls. Dont think for a seconed that a 12 guage stops at the first wall. Exceptions being (not 12 guage) frangible ammunition. Even with frangible, it can pass through a walls
Just don't forget to take the safety off and start pulling the trigger if someone you weren't expecting suddenly kicks in your front door. Otherwise you could wind up on the floor gasping for air for an hour with 27 slugs in you.
Post by: themighty9mm on January 01, 2012, 11:53:18 PM
Post by: sledge on January 02, 2012, 12:16:44 AM
Sledge, I'm not real sure how to take that? Explain please?
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/05/28/20110528tucson-swat-team-kills-ex-marine-jose-guerena.html (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/05/28/20110528tucson-swat-team-kills-ex-marine-jose-guerena.html)
There have been several home invasions over the past couple of years where the criminals or gangs kick the door in yelling "police". They then proceed to rape, rob and kill.
If LE ever wants to talk to me for any reason they had better knock and they won't have a problem.
My decision is that anyone that comes into my house unannounced by kicking in my door or any other way is gonna have a serious problem. Especially at 4 in the morning. They'll find themselves trapped in a hallway with no good way to get out of. If they're cops they better make damn sure they throw a badge under the bedroom door quick as I'll be instructing them to do.
Post by: themighty9mm on January 02, 2012, 12:38:30 AM
On that note I fully agree. I have read a storry or 2 similar to the one you posted. Diddnt read it, but from the title. I think it was the former marine who had an AR and the cops took down the wrong house. The kid was defending himself, n the cops shot him in the hallway. At 4am or any AM. If its the cops I better see blue and red flashing lights outside. Like you my hallway is definatly a funnel, no badge, then they get the door prize, 1,798 grains of green tip, or whatever it takes to make them no longer a threat. If more than one, I'll divided it equally to the best of my abilities ofcourse. Any loud band in the AM I take as a serious threat
Post by: sledge on January 02, 2012, 12:47:49 AM
Ahh gotcha. Not my initiall thoughts at all lol. Sorta thought you were taking a cheap shot at me. Trying to imply something about training or something like that.
LOL! Really! No man, that's not me. I'm not into cheap shots. I'm not sure what your training is but I hope you have plenty of it. :)
Post by: mountainredneck2051 on January 02, 2012, 04:03:19 PM
if you need more than 8 rounds of 00buckshot your fucked anyways
Post by: thedigininja on July 21, 2014, 03:57:10 PM
i thought it might be a good idea to put paracord across the hallway about ankle high so if someone charges u they will hopefully trip and fall
I have a similar idea except my design uses a high strength gut and fish hooks(I'll be adding this in my poisons post). Yeah you would have to make sure everyone in your habitat is on board and briefed if you would intend to do that.
Post by: TrailingSpouse on August 29, 2014, 10:17:16 AM
So far so good.
When I lived in London it was the opposite, I regularly couldn't get into my house for forensic tape across the junction. One bad summer there were two separate stabbings and a shooting literally on my doorstep, plus a machine gun attack on a shop opposite. Sirens ALL night every night :( Always felt safe though - it was Turkish gangsters battling over the smack trade, or black kids doing their gang thing. Nonetheless I locked the doors and kept a crowbar by the bed.
Now I'm in living in the Congo - it feels different, and now I wish I had a gun. They seem to be illegal and, well, there are reasons I don't want to go there, even though I have heard you can get an AK47 for 50$
We have pretty good security but the bars could be ripped off with a scaffolding pole or a rope attached to a vehicle. The shatterproof film on the windows would add another minute or two delay. We also have a Safe Room with reinforced door - but the walls on either side could be kicked down in no time. My active resistance plan involves some combination of throwing all the valuables out of the window, a very bright torch, paintball marker loaded with marbles ( I have a bunch of refillable caps which I plan to put pepper in... ), pepper spray (bear strength) and... the old crowbar :P Also got a crossbow which looks badass and might be a good deterrent (but not much cop in a fire-fight... Several longbows - which might be handy once I have made some arrows. Ammonia (would poke a hole in the lid and squirt it). The Wife *eek*.
Trip wire sounds good - I think I might go one step further and stock some razor wire to fill the stair-way with - much easier to defend over/ through that. And if they have guns... hmmm... escape out the window? Grrrr.... back to wanting a gun (although a .68 cal marble at 200fps might ruin your day - and I can get off maybe 7 rps...)
Post by: thedigininja on August 29, 2014, 11:17:41 AM
Post by: Burt Gummer on August 29, 2014, 01:00:17 PM
seriously a shiver just ran down my spine, that's some type of nightmare "i'm not waring any pants" situation for me.
Post by: thatGuy on August 29, 2014, 06:54:13 PM
Post by: TrailingSpouse on August 30, 2014, 06:25:10 AM
You're in the Congo, without a firearm?
Yeah - a friend said exactly the same thing.
"....Wouldn't get me there without at least THREE guns!"
digininja - good to hear a pb marker plus marbles isn't entirely ineffective! I must do some 'proper' tests with watermelons or something.
Here's a video I worked on (as SFX technician) showing eggs being destroyed by various things: knife, mallet, spoon, bb gun, air rifle, pistol crossbow and pb marker with marbles!
UNILEVER EGGS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siZI_iW9YKs#ws)
Post by: Burt Gummer on August 30, 2014, 12:27:43 PM
I imagine a lot of loose fitting clothing shirts constantly untucked.
What kind of situation could you imagine where where you would get "caught" possessing one that you can't bribe yourself out of...?
Post by: TrailingSpouse on August 30, 2014, 02:14:37 PM
Now - the thing is I've fired a shot gun many times - hunting rabbits and ducks mostly. Also worked as Armourer's assistant on a few films - fired, even stripped all sorts of weapons - but they are all imitation, de-acs or blank firers. I've never fired an actual bullet!!!! Can I come and stay with one of you guys - get some time on a range? :)
Post by: Burt Gummer on August 30, 2014, 03:29:31 PM
How does that work in the Congo? people just shoot in the bush? Are there ranges? Would they be safe?
Wow I just realized it's like you're on an other planet to me... I've got absolutely no point of refference.
Granted you have a strong internet connection Youtube has ton's of beginner handgun instructional video's. buy yourself a toy gun a practice with it.
Post by: TrailingSpouse on August 31, 2014, 05:33:22 AM
So, I've been asking around a little - there's no public ranges.
There are hunting reserves - left over from Belgian Colonial times. But tricky to get to (any roads the Belgians built are long gone).
So that's the route: hunting / hunting rifle. At least it appears I could be entirely legal this way, and get some practice.
Actually getting hold of a rifle here... hmmm.... more research needed. Could maybe import one... again not sure how, license-wise.
The actual paperwork required here is anyone's guess. Normally there is a whole string of people wanting their 'petit envelope'.
You are right - in the meantime I should get some airsoft pistols - and find some folks to practice tactics with (I've watched the youtube vids ;) ) But I want the noise, the recoil, the danger too :p
Post by: Nemo on August 31, 2014, 10:50:31 AM
Nemo
Post by: JohnyMac on August 31, 2014, 12:38:20 PM
All of the components are easy to buy separately and with a minimal amount of milling; you will have the firearm of your dreams. Even weapons that may have had their fire pins altered are easy to fix with spare parts that you can buy anywhere on the internet.
I can not speak for other countries however here in the USofA, you are breaking no laws by having parts. It's when you put them all together when you might get in a little hot water. ;)
Post by: rah45 on August 31, 2014, 02:02:32 PM
Another option might be an M1A variant. They can come with 5-rd, 10 - rd, 20 - rd and 30-rd magazines, so if you could label it as a hunting rifle with a 5 or 10 round magazine, you could purchase some 20 rd mags for a just in case scenario, and only use them if the government has lost control and you're on your own. Or you could just get two 10 rd mags, and utilize the stripper clip function for quick reloads.
Another plus is that both those rifles can visually pass as hunting rifles from a distance, if you have a flush fitting magazine.
Those are just a couple of examples that I know of, and there may be other ways to legally maximize your options via technicalities.
Post by: Burt Gummer on August 31, 2014, 04:04:52 PM
Rah I love you post because it's very sincere, but Mr.Spouse is in central africa.
American legal weapons jargon means little to nothing outside the first world.
Even if the Congo has a fastidious bureaucrat in charge of small arms policy who writes up the laws the enforcement of those arbitrary dictates are not likely to happen.
The only thing Mr.Spouse in all likely hood has to be weary of is the weapons policy of the compound/building/gated neighborhood he lives in and your random street cop looking to make an extra buck on the side by "doing his job".
Post by: rah45 on August 31, 2014, 04:14:29 PM
Post by: thatGuy on September 01, 2014, 01:37:48 PM
The laws in the 2 Congos are confusing.. you have no right to own a firearm.
Post by: TrailingSpouse on September 02, 2014, 04:19:18 AM
The laws are confusing here. Nobody is sure of even the basic traffic rules for a junction: priority for traffic from the right, unless you are within two blocks north of the main strip then its priority to those going parallel to the strip, but if you have a big car or big balls then you have priority :p Its worse than Cairo! Last Sunday we drove 25k out to a Hash... I saw so many RTAs (two rolled cars and a mini bus with crushed roofs - dozens of minor prangs) and sadly, two mangled dead people. Had to emergency stop when some fucker forced me out of my lane towards a pile of bricks (The mind boggles - bricks on the highway would be a news item in the UK! They'll probably still be there if I go back next month...) The warning cones here are made of concrete. There are spikes in the road to stop you changing lanes (Very effective but.....?!?!?!?) The police wave people through red lights (they are watching out for the right kinds of vehicles to fleece). I've had spikes thrown under the car for stopping over a non-existent line - I drove away when they tried to get me to pull over. It goes on..........
Just checked out GunPolicy.org
Yes - confusing!!! Just asking for clarity on that kind of information could get me in all kinds of bother.
Interesting that the GunPolicy says you can get a license for a handgun. But 'background checks' lol, nobody really gives a shit - anything goes if you pay the right people. The system is designed that way (you can't have the police arresting people for breaking the law when the lawmakers are doing the same) I also note the number of different agencies involved. That's bad news. Being white it would undoubtedly cost ALOT to move those checks along, and you would have to keep paying to 'renew'.
Making.... hmmm - always wanted the excuse for buying a milling machine :D Maybe could make something like a multi-barreled muzzle-loading 'swivel gun' (actually you wouldn't need a milling machine for this!) mounted on a tripod behind razor wire :p Muzzle loading because of the ammo - I make a very nice BP among other things :) Speaking of which I mustn't forget defensive grenades, claymores etc. Got plenty of transferable skills in this area from my time in film SFX - and its always good to go with what you know eh?
Maybe I should stop posting on this stuff ;)
Post by: TrailingSpouse on September 02, 2014, 05:18:46 AM
Colt Defender - looks doable
or this
(http://guntech.com/hillberg/liberator2.jpg)
designed to be doable :p
from
http://guntech.com/hillberg/ (http://guntech.com/hillberg/)
Post by: thedigininja on September 02, 2014, 06:58:25 AM
Post by: thedigininja on September 02, 2014, 07:39:23 PM
That "defender" looks kick ass btw @tspouse.
Post by: Nemo on September 02, 2014, 09:10:00 PM
This might meet your needs.
Nemo
http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/index.html (http://www.ruger.com/products/gunsiteScoutRifle/index.html)
Post by: TrailingSpouse on September 03, 2014, 05:54:12 AM
Both those rifles look great! :( Thanks for the suggestions.
A few more enquires down the line and… well… basically its not going to happen. To progress this further legally I would need to physically go to the various offices (there's no postal service here) with wads of cash to grease the wheels - a big expensive headache - and no guarantees of a result. And that's before actually sourcing a shooter.
In a true SHTF - one option would be to buy an AK from someone. 1k$ should do it, especially when 'normal' price is 50$. Not to say that the purchasing process itself would be easy!
In the meantime its razor wire strung across the stairway (?electrified from a car battery?), pb marker with marbles and pepper, ammonium hydroxide in a squeezy bottle, various SFX, bricks, bats and knives. Now I think about it a load of ammonia cleaning solution poured on the stone floor would be a great area denial tool - stinky and slippery. (Actually its maybe too toxic, even at 10%, and I only have one set of SCUBA gear for the whole family…would need the meth lab type full face mask respirators I guess) Plus - laying out valuables at the front door with a nice note ("Please help yourselves - there's nothing else of value in here - any intrusion will be met with determined and lethal force."). The theory being that the main risk will be from looters, and they'll go for low-lying fruit first.
Also - additional strengthening, improved advance warning systems, and most importantly an escape route and / or alternative hiding places.
Oh and the piece de resistance - some kind of fetish hung on the doorway would scare the crap out of most people here.
(http://myauctionfinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/fetish2.jpg)
Post by: JohnyMac on September 03, 2014, 08:26:03 AM
Post by: thedigininja on September 03, 2014, 08:41:45 AM
Post by: TrailingSpouse on September 03, 2014, 02:15:05 PM
hehe - I ask myself the same question… Short answer is that my wife took a post here - she's a humanitarian aid worker. And we like a challenge :) Its not that bad really, at least not where we live. In terms of everyday violent crime, London was far worse. But here there's the potential - last attempted coup there were allegedly people eating the genitals of dead combatants (for their power). When it kicks off - it kicks off.
digininja
I agree wholeheartedly - never needed a gun yet :p and been in a few scrapes… For me the gun is about having options, and handling, or scaring-off multiple home invaders, or a home invader with a gun. You mention knife - I agree too. I'm sure you know the 21ft rule - but boy that would take some mighty big cojones! I'm a black belt in karate :p although I realise its more about attitude at the end of the day. To be honest - I'm not the most macho type - prefer to run and hide if possible :D But if my family was threatened, I wouldn't hesitate. Some guy was banging on the car door window where my daughter was sitting, some intimidation thing, I dunno. I got out and wanted to hurt him but my wife pulled me away. Red mist - not me at all - sort of effective, but am guessing I had tunnel vision and all that (not good). Can you train to be cool when the adrenalin is flowing?
As an aside - I hate it when people say that active resistance (or having a gun) might get you into more trouble. I can understand the arguments - but on the whole its not true, is it?
Post by: Nemo on September 03, 2014, 09:27:47 PM
Nemo
Post by: JohnyMac on September 04, 2014, 09:24:59 AM
TS, thanks for the explanation. All makes sense now. :thumbsUp:
Post by: thedigininja on September 04, 2014, 06:56:27 PM
As for training to act coherently in an adrenaline fuelled situation I think it's more about having confidence in your ability and being able to identify a threat before it becomes apparent. Like your car incident for example I've been in similar situations and I would not have gotten out. here they often do that and the moment you leave the vehicle another guy hidden nearby will jump in and take the vehicle. If that happened and your young'n was still in the car, I shudder to think. Safety over pride ALWAYS. However both krav maga and kfm have high intensity training where you need to fend off multiple attackers which really gets the adrenaline flowing and helps you to focus. I believe there is similar in the marine corps fighting technique but I speak without experience there.
Post by: JohnyMac on September 06, 2014, 09:58:19 AM
It was 1993 and the company I worked for was going to expand from the west coast to the east in a big time fashion. I was the district manager for the 18 or so stores in the PNW (Pacific Northwest) and they had a brilliant idea to transfer me to the Florida area to oversee that expansion. I was game but had to convince MrsMac so the company flew us out to Miami to "check things out."
Things were going well and I think MrsMac was convinced on moving to Florida till one day.
We had just come from visiting a couple we knew form MDR (Marina del Rey) who were circumnavigating the world via their sailboat. They were in Miami berthed at the Marina attached to the downtown Hilton hotel working to refill their cruising kitty.
MrsMac and I had a grand old time catching up on their travels. The sun was setting over the yardarm so it was time to leave. We said our good-by's and were on our way.
As we approached the I-95 on ramp there was a stop light with a car already stopped. As I slowed down to stop behind the car, all of a sudden a bunch of people came out from under the over pass not unlike a scene from the Walking Dead.
The Zombies pounced on the car already stopped screaming for money. Out of the corner of my eye I saw another covey of Zombies heading towards our car so I stomped on the accelerator, weaved around the car encased with Zombies; zipped through the red light and onto I -95.
Once on the high way my MrsMac turned to me and asked, "Did what happen really happen?" With a adrenalin shaking voice I responded..."Holy shit. YES!"
To this day I do not think I hit any of the Zombies however there were a few scrapes on our rental car that were either there when we picked it up or not. By the way, I did not take the new assignment in Florida but stayed in the PNW for three more years till we did move east.
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