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ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« on: April 11, 2012, 08:32:29 PM »
I thought that, considering the dire threats from individuals and groups relating to the Trayvon Martin shooting in Florida, it would be a good idea for those on the forum who have spare time and can keep track of the situation, to post significant developments here. There have been several incidents of threats (such as a mailbox in Wisconsin with "Kill Whitey" written on it), and some assaults that are supposedly linked to the media coverage of Trayvon's death.

I believe that, if someone notices a severe increase in these threats and assaults, especially in a particular area, he should post it here with a link. If it's a nationwide thing and not just localized to one state, I think there should be a call tree-type action among the board members. I work from 6 am to 4 pm, and I have no clue what's happening outside when I'm working. If I get a text informing me of the situation, I can make a rational decision of the threat level and act accordingly. I'm sure everyone else here would like the same thing.

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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2012, 08:35:42 PM »
i never clicked the link I'm about to refer to, so don't quote me here, but I got a headline in my newsfeed on facebook saying that Zimmerman was in custody and is being charged with 2nd degree murder.

if that's true then it should theoretically calm things down for a while. now, whenever he has his day in court, if he's found not-guilty, then I'd be damn worried about civil unrest.
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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2012, 08:43:15 PM »
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-charged-trayvon-martin-killing/story?id=16115469

something like this?


Things like that to keep up with the case, but also anything violent that may be associated with the case. For all I know, since he's been arrested and it's going through the court system everything may calm down. Then again, it could just remain a powder keg for racial hostilities.

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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2012, 08:47:37 PM »
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-charged-trayvon-martin-killing/story?id=16115469

something like this?


Things like that to keep up with the case, but also anything violent that may be associated with the case. For all I know, since he's been arrested and it's going through the court system everything may calm down. Then again, it could just remain a powder keg for racial hostilities.

Yeah, good thinking.

I'll keep an eye out.
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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2012, 09:46:46 PM »
My parents spend 90% of their year in Florida.  I advised them to come home as soon as possible.  Never know what evil elderly (am I allowed to state their color?) parents may be up to... [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2012, 10:29:31 PM »
yeah i heard about him being arrested on murder charges... this may just be a plan to help boil over the pot. they may just charge him and then push him through a not-guilty verdict very quickly to set things off.
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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2012, 12:05:38 AM »
or the Justice System could do it's job and they could convict this busy bodied ne'er do well... I know it's not likely but it would be nice.

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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2012, 03:34:17 AM »
I understand that there was a paper trail a mile long on Zimmerman, and he had been on police radar for years.  He may not be guilty of 1st degree premeditated murder, but he is grossly neglegent.  That's how the governman got OJ, the mafia, and I'm sure that's how they will get us.  On a technicality.    [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m

Fuck Zimmerman.  If you shoot at a sound without knowing what it is then you get to spend a night in the box.   

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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2012, 07:51:02 AM »
When the police officer told Zimmerman over the phone that he should NOT proceed with following the kid, that should've been the end of it. Time to pay the piper George, you fucked-up big time.

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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2012, 09:02:19 AM »
I recommend we stop talking about guilty or not guilty on this forum... you have about 1% of the needed info to form any legit opinion about if he is or is not guilty no matter how much research youve done. your relying on unreliable, bias sources of info to form a serious opinion. this is america and you are innocent until proven guilty and i know for a fact none of you have any proof hes guilty of any crime so keep your slander to yourselves please. your just embarassing yourselves.
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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2012, 09:51:35 AM »
I recommend we stop talking about guilty or not guilty on this forum... you have about 1% of the needed info to form any legit opinion about if he is or is not guilty no matter how much research youve done. your relying on unreliable, bias sources of info to form a serious opinion. this is america and you are innocent until proven guilty and i know for a fact none of you have any proof hes guilty of any crime so keep your slander to yourselves please. your just embarassing yourselves.
             

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A bigger concern to me is the timing of the trial assuming zimmerman makes it to one, I wouldn't be surprised if he's thrown into general population to make the whole thing go away.

Also, under Florida law there is a 90 day limit until a trial after a misdemeanor charge and 175 days for a felony. If the defense dosn't request or approve additional time we are looking at a possible unwanted October surprise.

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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2012, 10:10:43 AM »
When the police officer told Zimmerman over the phone that he should NOT proceed with following the kid, that should've been the end of it. Time to pay the piper George, you fucked-up big time.
A DISPATCHER is NOT a police officer and they cannot give orders.  NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE on this site knows what really happened that night.  So unless you intend to help the powers that are pushing all of this race war bullshit the judgment should be left to those who have the evidence.

Every single person here needs to think of one thing before the speak out in judgment against someone based solely on what is said in the media...

What happens when it is YOU that they claim is a racist murderer, an enemy spy or even a child molester?  Would you agree with any mob that would gather to hang you from the nearest tree?  And how can you say you believe in the constitution and the RIGHTS granted us BY "GOD" in the Bill of Rights which guarantees a SUSPECTED party of a crime DUE PROCESS.  How can we claim to stand for a system if we do not at first try to work within it to fix it or even try to let it work as it is supposed to???


The major issue here is not one of "the system protecting the white man" or of race at all.  It is about POWER and FREEDOM.  When a mans actions are subject to the words and whims of a select few, how free is he?  The people with "POWER", be it legal or social in nature (i.e. Clinton/Sharpton) seek only one thing and that is to keep and expand their power.  And how do they do that?  They first need to be relevant.  So you need a HOT BUTTON issue that has been around for DECADES and is quick to get people out of their seats, especially when a large number of people are afraid of this issue.  Racism.  Now, once these people are up in arms and you have CHOAS in the streets, you step in with your authority, bring order at the cost of freedom due to the severity of the situation.
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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2012, 10:12:20 AM »
For the Record : Trayvon Killing


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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2012, 10:30:44 AM »
A DISPATCHER is NOT a police officer and they cannot give orders.  NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE on this site knows what really happened that night.  So unless you intend to help the powers that are pushing all of this race war bullshit the judgment should be left to those who have the evidence.
My knowledge of the case is that George didn't call the 911 dispatcher. He called the police directly to a non-emergency number and was talking to a actual police officer at the time. That is what I've heard, for whatever it's worth. The only people pushing race war is the damn radio talking heads. The family of the kid aren't and seem to be doing their best to stay away from any of that. At least the truth will come out now that there will be a trial, and that is all most folks ever wanted.

In the end, there are much bigger things going in, and this is just another distraction for the sheep. Sucks the kid was shot and killed, sucks that Zimmerman didn't exercise better judgement. The whole thing sucks, but it's time to move on and get on with living life and trying to make your world a better place.
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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2012, 10:33:08 AM »
(i.e. Clinton/Sharpton) seek only one thing and that is to keep and expand their power.  And how do they do that?  They first need to be relevant.  So you need a HOT BUTTON issue

I knew Sharpton had something to do with this shooting!  I heard from someone, who heard from someone, that Trayvon was doing his daughter and wouldn't own up to being the baby daddy.  So Sharpton hired Zimmerman to lean on him a little.  But it got out of hand and turned tragic when Trayvon was heard on the phone saying,  "I'm not marrying that ho, do you have a problem with that?"  Zimmerman was overheard by a witness, one that is rumored to spend a little too much time at his window peering into a telescope pointed at his neighbors windows saying, "then she wants the hoodie she gave you back!"  To which Travon said, "Here, it's your problem now!" and then punched Zimmerman in the nose.  You know where it all went from there.


So add another rumor to the pile.  What say we all just get drunk, break into the jail and hang the sob.  Trial and the justice system be damned.  With proof like that which is listed above, who needs a trial.  The SOB is guilty.  After all, some body who told some body wouldn't lie. 




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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2012, 02:49:38 PM »
I'm so fucking tired of this case  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

Pick his ass up.

give him a trial.

acquit him.

let the riots begin.
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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2012, 12:40:51 AM »
Not knowing all of the facts. I'm not going to judge. But I am sick of everybody posting pictures of Martin from when he was younger, and they keep emphasizing how he was unarmed. So I guess if somebody attacks you and they are not armed, you just have to tolerate it. People are always bitching about violence. "Something has got to be done about the world today" " You can't go anywhere any more without worrying about somebody attacking you" or "People are just crazy nowadays" You can't keep bitching about the violence and then bitch when somebody doesn't put up with it. Now, there has to be all these rules. You have to be a certain age, a certain height and weight. You can beat somebody with your hands and feet, maybe on a good day, you can use a ball bat. People carry firearms to defend themselves. Here's a thought. Don't beat somebody's head into the sidewalk. There are little guys that can beat the hell out of big guys. Old women that can beat young whipper snappers. You shouldn't have to break out a book of etiquette while you are being attacked. Nobody has the right to lay their hands on you. I say if they take it upon themselves to attack you, they take whatever they get. I know it sounds a little extreme. But this body has got to get me through many more years.( hopefully) I want to keep it in one piece as long as I can. So just generally speaking, keep your f#@k#@g hands off of me! We'll get along just fine. If you attack me, do it at your own risk. If you feel the need to beat somebody's ass, by all means, beat it. If they shoot you while you are beating it. Oh well. 

P.S. It seems strange to me that after police interviewing Zimmerman for 5 hours after the shooting happened and then he was allowed to go free because they couldn't see that he had broken any laws. And he remained free. To go from nothing to hold him on , to charges of 2nd degree murder, Wow, that's a stretch. I don't know all the facts but can you say political pressure?     
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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2012, 01:19:33 AM »
allshallperish... who was chasing who in that video? the report that you quoted said that the victim was chasing the shooter, in which case I'd rule it self defense as well. I'm confused by this post.
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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2012, 01:25:56 AM »
......P.S. It seems strange to me that after police interviewing Zimmerman for 5 hours after the shooting happened and then he was aloud to go free because they couldn't see that he had broke any laws. And he remained free. To go from nothing to hold him on , to charges of 2nd degree murder, Wow, that's a stretch. I don't know all the facts but can you say political pressure?     
I think it's a political stunt to appease the masses.  It goes something like this:  The prosecution over-charges him with murder knowing full well, at best, the evidence might only show manslaughter (murder will be ruled out because there was obvious "aggravation" perpetrated by the victim.)  Thing is, the prosecution will insist on NOT accepting a plea of manslaughter during the trial, knowing full well the jury will not convict for murder once they have been informed of the conditions that must be met for a murder conviction.  Then the defendant goes scott free.  The whole thing is a put on, a circus, just so they can say "We tried to get him..." in order to please the masses by giving the appearance that they tried to do their job.
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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2012, 01:39:05 AM »
I thought so, but it seems that they would be prolonging the potential riots. people would still flip when and if they say "Not Guilty".  This really hurt the "Stand your ground" law. OR maybe it will end up reinforcing it. We can hope. 

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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2012, 01:43:50 AM »
I thought so, but it seems that they would be prolonging the potential riots. people would still flip when and if they say "Not Guilty".  This really hurt the "Stand your ground" law. OR maybe it will end up reinforcing it. We can hope.
There's less chance of rioting from a "not guilty" verdict from a jury of his peers than there will be from not being charged in the first place.
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2012, 01:45:30 AM »
I thought so, but it seems that they would be prolonging the potential riots. people would still flip when and if they say "Not Guilty".  This really hurt the "Stand your ground" law. OR maybe it will end up reinforcing it. We can hope.
There's less chance of rioting from a "not guilty" verdict from a jury of his peers than there will be from not being charged in the first place.

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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2012, 03:52:49 AM »
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Man tells police group yelled ?Trayvon,' then beat him

Police are investigating the ?racially motivated? beating of a 27-year-old man who was walking home from midtown bars early Saturday when he said he was jumped by five to eight men who shouted ?Trayvon? before the attack....

We do believe that the crime was racially motivated,? Gainesville Police Department spokeswoman Cpl. Angelina Valuri said....

During what he told police was a five-minute beating, he sustained injuries to the left eye, abrasions to his palms and a cut on his right kneecap, and Valuri said he would likely have ?permanent disfigurement to the left side of his face....?


Read much more here:  http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120409/ARTICLES/120409617/1182?Title=Man-tells-police-group-yelled-8216-Trayvon-then-beat-him&tc=ar

Maybe after this beating that he took, he would have been justified in using legal self-defense.  Probably only after they permanently disfigured his face, though, because before that, the evidence of the beating just wouldn't have been bad enough to justify self-defense.

I would hate to see someone else get Zimmerman'd by special prosecutors, the media, and many fellow carriers alike. 

Shame he was unarmed, also I don't know the drinking and carrying laws in FL, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say he couldn't have been CCW anyway, because he was at a bar.

If you're a Caucasian, or white Hispanic, be careful out there this summer.  Also, be careful who you use your gun in self-defense, towards.  Make sure you've got a huge disparity of force like multiple attackers, and make sure you sustain major permanently disfiguring injuries to your face before you ever think about pulling your gun in lawful self-defense.  I'd hate to see anyone here get Zimmerman'd.

Also, the first thing I'm going to do when I get the chance financial is going to be to get some good hand to hand techniques training so that a firearm is not my only option, maybe something good for us all to look into, in case its just a single attacker sitting on top of you beating you.  (If you haven't already done so)  I carry way too much crap with me to carry something non-lethal on top of a firearm.  So hand to hand would be the way to go for me, even though I have back problems. 

Be careful out there this summer, and be careful when you decide to use self-defense as well.

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Re: ALERT thread for Trayvon Martin crisis
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2012, 08:03:33 AM »
Friends of mine are carrying these: http://www.kimberamerica.com/pepperblaster

They have CCW's but do not carry handguns as they don't believe in lethal force due to the legal implications involved in a shooting.

Just a thought.
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