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The E.M.P. proof vehicle
« on: March 22, 2012, 07:44:33 PM »
These days its really hard to find a vehicle that will be emp proof. New vehicle can be converted over to the old style technologies but it would be a real pain. I will break things down in a list of what can get fried in an emp and what you can do to avoid them being a problem.

1. Computer(s) almost every 1996 and up vehicle has at least 3. One for the engine, one for the transmission, and one for all the interior goodies (power seats, door locks, windows, alarm etc. etc.)
2. Ignition control module (on older vehicles IE still has a carb. but electronic controlled ignition, no points)
3. Fuel pump( still an electric motor run too much power through it an its dead.)
4. Coil
5.Shift solenoids in your automatic transmission

1.So how do we avoid having any computers in a vehicle, buy one pre 1974 or buy something newer domestic and with a v-8. If you buy say a early to mid 90's suburban with a 350 in it, you will not have a hard time at all doing away with the computers. Change the trans to a turbo 350 or turbo 400 (eliminates the tcm). Change the intake manifold throw a new carb on it, and a new distributor (non electronic uses points). Granted there will be all sorts of lights on on the dash and you probably wont pass emissions but it will run.

2. The ignition control module (like I said older vehicles 70's to late 80's), This one is easy just go to an older style distributor that uses points.

3. The fuel pump most v-8's up until the early 90's still had the old mechanical fuel pumps that's what you want. If you are looking for a vehicle just to be emp proof this is a must, check to verify that it is mechanical before you buy it. The mechanical fuel pumps are on the side of the engine block so there is no way to retro fit one if didn't have the allowance for it from the factory.

4. The coil may be able to take an emp but it never hurts to have a couple lying around. The coil is just 2 sets of wire windings in a container so frankly why risk it.

5. Shift solenoids are extremely sensitive to voltage and easily fried. The only way to get rid of them is to change out the transmission. The reason I mention the solenoids is because even if you have a spare transmission control module in a Faraday cage the trans is likely going to be shot.

Also remember on most new vehicles they have a passive anti theft system in them, i.e. the chipped keys, that info is programmed into the power train control module( main engine computer). So if you have a nice new computer in a cage waiting when you plug it in, it wont do anything.

If I were looking for a plain looking just blend in emp proof vehicle, I would by an early 90's Chevy suburban or truck 4x4 preferably manual transmission. I would look for one with a 350 and no power options. Why the 350? The parts you are going to be looking for are likely going to be on the shelf at your local parts supplier. Well why is that? The Chevy 350 is the most raced engine in america and most race cars dont run an electronics, its just more stuff to go wrong. And 350 parts are cheaper for this reason. If your not a Chevy guy or lady, go with a for 302 or a dodge 360.

What tools and parts are a must? Points (and lots of them they should be changed every oil change) and a point file, feeler gauges, spark plugs and wires, distributor caps and rotor buttons, A good quality set of basic mechanics tools(they dont have to be snap on or mac, get craftsman), radiator, then your oils and fluids and of course gas.

This is just for gas engine vehicles I'm not a diesel guy if someone has the info on them comment away.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2012, 08:03:49 PM by gapatriot »

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Re: The E.M.P. proof vehicle
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2012, 07:54:07 PM »
it's like you're speaking another language.
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Re: The E.M.P. proof vehicle
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2012, 08:01:59 PM »
Too hard to understand? I tried to simplify things as much as I could while still keeping it as technical as possable.

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Re: The E.M.P. proof vehicle
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2012, 08:07:24 PM »
well i don't know anything about anything under the hood so that's not helping.

but it does seem to be just a bit more confusing than usual (I can typically figure things out by reviewing a manual, even if it's not my area of expertise)

just some friendly constructive-criticizm..  :D
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Re: The E.M.P. proof vehicle
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2012, 09:19:45 PM »
Simple enough and well explained. That's a fair amount of work and good bit of pocket change. Well, for me anyways. I always thought it'd be easier to shield than basically gut all the electronics.
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Re: The E.M.P. proof vehicle
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2012, 09:23:46 PM »
Whitewolf not too bad cost wise on a 5speed 4x4 truck with no power options it could be done for under $1000 using brand new parts. If you go to junk yards and check craigslist it could probably be done for under $500.

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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2012, 09:36:28 PM »
I'll have to consider it. I'm planning to ditch my car this year. I'm in deep need of new tires, new suspension, a new radiator (already sealed it twice lol), and my ABS is out lol. Oh and I believe a new air pump. I'd like to put a couple propane tanks in that bitch and  [img]http://www.smileydesign.n It'd probably take me a minute, but I think I could handle what you listed solo. If not a I know a couple master techs.  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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Re: The E.M.P. proof vehicle
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2012, 11:34:49 PM »
Would a 1995 jeep wrangler do ok?
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Re: The E.M.P. proof vehicle
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2012, 12:03:57 AM »
You would have to check parts availability to see if you can get the parts for a conversion. If its a 5 speed you don't have to worry about the transmission, only the engine computer, and maybe the fuel pump. I cant remember all the specifics on it. Good choice by the way if it has the 4 liter.

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2012, 01:46:32 AM »
Walker, thanks for the reply. There arent many studies talking about the effects on vehicles from emp's, and there is alot of debate on what would actually happen. But I can say I have seen what a near lighting strike can do to a cars electrical system. I had a car come into the dealer I was working at about 3 years ago, it came in as a no start and I got lucky enough to pull that repair order. The car was garage kept the lighting hit a tree next to the garage (according to the customer, sometimes they lie to make sure things get covered under warrenty rather than file insurance). It fried the pcm, tcm, cpu, and burnt some wiring (pcm being engine computer, tcm transmission,and cpu being interior). Thats my personal experiance with it, but over the years I have seen it several times in the shop. Like I said not an emp but in my mind anyway a small scale test of a cars system. But I can see what they are seeing with the study you are talking about, most sensors run on a 5v dc "referance voltage" if it reads above 9 volts it shuts down the computer as a fail safe. This is to protect the circuit board from over loading, so it is possable that no damge will occure.

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Re: The E.M.P. proof vehicle
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2012, 07:25:05 AM »
Great report Gapatriot! [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

Basically, buy a car / truck pre 1980 that has a manual transmission. Then store a supply of parts that could burn out, e.g. wires, points, etc. and a supply of basic items like spark plugs, oil, transmission fluid, etc.
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Re: The E.M.P. proof vehicle
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2012, 08:10:38 AM »
I wonder if you stored a vehicle and extra electrical parts in a faraday cage built up within an existing garage?

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« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2012, 09:52:32 AM »
I wonder if you stored a vehicle and extra electrical parts in a faraday cage built up within an existing garage?


Yeah that would work, but it'd probably be cheaper to do what GP is saying and actually be able to drive the damn thing pre EMP also. Besides, what do you do if you're on vacation or a long a good distance away and your current vehicle craps out? Walk home?  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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Re: The E.M.P. proof vehicle
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2012, 08:54:25 AM »
Good info, I didn't know some of that stuff.

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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2012, 11:01:47 PM »
If some of you guys are completely lost (nola) then there seems to be an area of prepping that needs to be explored, knowing carbs is great not just for your vehicles but small engines aswell like generators and small atvs. Great post gapatriot.