Pistol caliber carbines.

[Kobalt]

What do you guys think about them?

[Reaver]

I think they serve a purpose. If that purpose is well within your needs then go for it.
As for me, I don't see a need.
I can do better with an " assault " cartridge.

Honestly if I where going to get a pistol Caliber Carbine it would be something like a 357 rifle, or  a 44 magnum. Only because of ammo availability & the fact that I have a firearm in that caliber already. The fact that it does this or that to velocity is pretty irrelevant to me. It may seem stubborn, but really what can I do with 44 magnum rifle that I cant do with a Draco Pistol?

[Kobalt]

$300 bucks for a draco, Is better than $1500 for a Hk usc. When I can Ill try to get a draco

[CrystalHunter1989]

You could always go with those short-barrled .45 LC lever guns from Puma and Henry. They are classified as pistols but have enough of the shoulder stock left you could fire it from a stable position. Most pistol carbines are 'civillianized' submachine guns, and get played down by the majority of gun owners. Although, I've been very tempted by the prospects of an Uzi....

[UnBroken]

I believe  Pistol caliber carbines  have a place. i think they are great when you are working for inside security. one of the guys in my team has a CX4 Storm in 9mm. its a very nice rifle. i dig it alot. we where shooting out at 100 yards with winchester white box and it was killing paper plates.

if you are gonna be doing base security or patrols in an suburban area it would be very ideal IMHO. i think that and a flashlight attachment would make a very  good combo. 

[Reaver]

I believe  Pistol caliber carbines  have a place. i think they are great when you are working for inside security. one of the guys in my team has a CX4 Storm in 9mm. its a very nice rifle. i dig it alot. we where shooting out at 100 yards with winchester white box and it was killing paper plates.

if you are gonna be doing base security or patrols in an suburban area it would be very ideal IMHO. i think that and a flashlight attachment would make a very  good combo.

I would still prefer max firepower.

[UnBroken]

I believe  Pistol caliber carbines  have a place. i think they are great when you are working for inside security. one of the guys in my team has a CX4 Storm in 9mm. its a very nice rifle. i dig it alot. we where shooting out at 100 yards with winchester white box and it was killing paper plates.

if you are gonna be doing base security or patrols in an suburban area it would be very ideal IMHO. i think that and a flashlight attachment would make a very  good combo.

I would still prefer max firepower.

 you and me both but if you dont want to hit little kids if shit gets real inside your base. then id go with the lower powered stuff. i think they  have a purpose also they are good for kids and smal frame women

[Reaver]

If your doing a defensive patrol around your base & your worried about hitting kids.
1. You should be using a shotgun, with a rifle slung.
2. Check your backdrop and try not to shoot into your base.

As for small frame women. Its Irrelevant.  She was 4 feet 11 Inches tall.

[UnBroken]

very true and yu make good points but my mind goes to be what most will have... in my team, shotguns are not used as much...its all in what the user wants . but for the record i agree with reaver, hench  the reason i do not own a Pistol caliber carbine and do own a shotgun 

[Reaver]

very true and you make good points but my mind goes to be what most will have... in my team, shotguns are not used as much...its all in what the user wants . but for the record i agree with reaver, hench  the reason i do not own a Pistol caliber carbine and do own a shotgun 

Yeah, different strokes for different folks.

I mean, I wouldn't mind having a couple. I love firearms as my collection says. Now Does that mean I'm going to bring every one of my guns. No absolutely not. Would I like to sure, but I can't. So I take what I know works, and what I've trained with.

[UnBroken]

very true and you make good points but my mind goes to be what most will have... in my team, shotguns are not used as much...its all in what the user wants . but for the record i agree with reaver, hench  the reason i do not own a Pistol caliber carbine and do own a shotgun 

Yeah, different strokes for different folks.

I mean, I wouldn't mind having a couple. I love firearms as my collection says. Now Does that mean I'm going to bring every one of my guns. No absolutely not. Would I like to sure, but I can't. So I take what I know works, and what I've trained with.

this is why i own three guns. i run3 gun matchs and train with three guns. i would rather have few guns and lots of training on them , then lots of guns and little training on all of them. its just my mind set and i do not knock people hat have tons of firearms. ...

i just like knowing that if i have one of my firearms in my hand , i know what i can do with it ,i can do it faster then the other that may not know his weapon as well and be able to change over to anther weapon that i will have on my person to handle another threat or challenge.

[Reaver]

I don't mind having a ton of firearms. Most people see my collection and there like... " whoa "

But Me I just LOVE GUNS all of them.

But Like I said, I have my guns.
then I have MY guns. IE the ones that I train with. Granted I do a little with each, but most of my Training goes into the FN-FAL the 870 and the two sidearms of my choice.
Everything else. Just sits there and looks pretty, and is fun to shoot occasionally.

[PatriotSeeker]

I honestly think getting a Ruger pc 40 wpould be sick. I would like it as a woodsgun or CQB weapon. The 40 cal. is awesome through a long barrel.

[RONSERESURPLUS]

Hello all RON L here

I find myself in agreent with many here that think that Pistol calibers work well in a Carbine as well? I like the Idea of a Pair up of weapons, be it a Revolver and Lever action, or a Semi auto Pistol and a Carbine in say 9MM or 45 Caliber? I see it as a pistol caliber has lesser range and some effectiveness, how ever work well in some short to medium range roles! As in all thingsl to it's ability? I pair up a M-95 Classic (Browning High Power Clone and a Sten 9MM Semi auto, they work well, but I know some that Like the Glock and Kel-Teck Como's that use the same mag, they offer a Great value and option? Pays to keep an open mind!!

[UnBroken]

Hello all RON L here

I find myself in agreent with many here that think that Pistol calibers work well in a Carbine as well? I like the Idea of a Pair up of weapons, be it a Revolver and Lever action, or a Semi auto Pistol and a Carbine in say 9MM or 45 Caliber? I see it as a pistol caliber has lesser range and some effectiveness, how ever work well in some short to medium range roles! As in all thingsl to it's ability? I pair up a M-95 Classic (Browning High Power Clone and a Sten 9MM Semi auto, they work well, but I know some that Like the Glock and Kel-Teck Como's that use the same mag, they offer a Great value and option? Pays to keep an open mind!!

in the words of Kentactic : Simplicity Is Ideal.

[1000meterstare]

I'm a fan of getting ALL the velocity and performance out of a given caliber - carbines shine at this.  A 9mm +p+ out of a carbine-length barrel is a real threat at 200 yards, and ballistics tables back that up.  I highly recommend them for beginners or the chicks of your household.  I wouldn't feel undergunned with one...

[technique]

I don't know, man.
I think, for example, an AR15 chambered in 9mm has the same felt recoil as a 5.56 or 5.45. Mostly
because it's a blow back design. Even worse, honestly, with some Egyptian 9mm machinegun ammo
(corrosive) kinda on the hot side.

Ya know, even the MP5 is harsh for the size of the cartridge. But then again, what HKs don't.

What kinda carbine were you shooting?

[mountainredneck2051]

beretta cx4 carbine is 30"
my ar15 is 32"

nuff said

[Reaver]

I'm a fan of getting ALL the velocity and performance out of a given caliber - carbines shine at this.  A 9mm +p+ out of a carbine-length barrel is a real threat at 200 yards, and ballistics tables back that up.  I highly recommend them for beginners or the chicks of your household.  I wouldn't feel undergunned with one...

I read something the other day went something like this.

" though 9mm and 40 smith may expand, it is impossible for a 45 to shrink "

Same concept.     
But thinking Rifle cartridge compared to pistol cartridge.

[thatGuy]

Way down the WROL road I could see having a revolver and a levergun in the same caliber, you'll be reloading staight cases with homemade powder, hardcast bullets on remanufactered primers so having a closed bolt will help you get more power out of the round and revolvers work.

[1000meterstare]

Yeah, .45's don't shrink.  Whaddya think my secondary is?  Hello McFly!

[mountainredneck2051]

Way down the WROL road I could see having a revolver and a levergun in the same caliber, you'll be reloading staight cases with homemade powder, hardcast bullets on remanufactered primers so having a closed bolt will help you get more power out of the round and revolvers work.

got that covered..............

[RONSERESURPLUS]

Hello all, RON L here

I like the Idea of a Combo set, many wil Piar up a 357 or 38 Revoolver with a leveraction or a Carbine like the Timber Wolf, I went a Simular Direction that in a Sten Semi in 9MM, Comboed up with a Browning High power clone in 9MM! Many ways to roll and a combo that uses same ammo, I see NO DOWN SIDE? Now Just pick the Caliber that works for ya? I know a Guy I run with here that uses a Tel Teck in 9MM as well as a Gock 19 or 17 and they even share same magazine as well as caliber? I see it as a Great Combo and the Kel Teck is his Vehicle BOB gun? He carried the Glock EDC!  Onthe iother hand, I know of an Older fello her that has a S & W Mountain gun in 44 mag and Piared it up with a Winchester Lever carbive? No real wrong way to go on this? As I see it? Glad ya have it Covered MountainRedNeck2051?


 

[mountainredneck2051]

Hello all, RON L here

I like the Idea of a Combo set, many wil Piar up a 357 or 38 Revoolver with a leveraction or a Carbine like the Timber Wolf, I went a Simular Direction that in a Sten Semi in 9MM, Comboed up with a Browning High power clone in 9MM! Many ways to roll and a combo that uses same ammo, I see NO DOWN SIDE? Now Just pick the Caliber that works for ya? I know a Guy I run with here that uses a Tel Teck in 9MM as well as a Gock 19 or 17 and they even share same magazine as well as caliber? I see it as a Great Combo and the Kel Teck is his Vehicle BOB gun? He carried the Glock EDC!  Onthe iother hand, I know of an Older fello her that has a S & W Mountain gun in 44 mag and Piared it up with a Winchester Lever carbive? No real wrong way to go on this? As I see it? Glad ya have it Covered MountainRedNeck2051?

44mag lever and six gun is my set up aswell

14rds of 44mag, 
thats merica bitches  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

[LUVRoffreedom76]

I think they are pretty much pointless outside of the use for training or just plain fun. If your going to have the caliber of a handgun use a handgun. I see no reason to have a rifle without an actual "Rifle" caliber. Not unless it's a SBR for home defense but that's a whole other subject.