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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2012, 09:04:35 PM »
Its not  about all the big game being hunted out. its about not being the biggest thing in forest.


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your in fucking florida, pigs is the deadliest thing you got out there

damn... you gotta be serious to unleash the quad-palm....
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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2012, 09:13:56 PM »
Its not  about all the big game being hunted out. its about not being the biggest thing in forest.


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your in fucking florida, pigs is the deadliest thing you got out there


Not so.  We've got those mean ass, red eyed, man eating rabbits too!  LOL! 

http://straightprep.com/forum/index.php?topic=1068.msg11003#msg11003
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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2012, 09:19:45 PM »
1. Fuck you sledge ( Sarcasm and joke voice on )
2. Redneck, Nola
I would rather not get mauled by a pissed off hog while plinking away at it with a .22 hoping for penetration on something vital,  just because I stumbled into the wrong section of the woods.

Thank you for proving my point.

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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2012, 09:34:44 PM »
Its not  about all the big game being hunted out. its about not being the biggest thing in forest.


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your in fucking florida, pigs is the deadliest thing you got out there


Not so.  We've got those mean ass, red eyed, man eating rabbits too!  LOL! 

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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2012, 09:54:19 PM »
this thread has shown me how clueless some of our users are....
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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2012, 10:29:15 PM »
this thread has shown me how clueless some of our users are....

Before I jump into an angry response. Would you please elaborate on what you mean?
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« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2012, 10:31:29 PM »
I noticed the negative karma addition...I feed on it.

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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #32 on: May 01, 2012, 11:28:26 PM »
this thread has shown me how clueless some of our users are....


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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2012, 12:04:31 AM »
Wow!  What a cool little popcorn eating and soda drinking guy.



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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2012, 01:21:00 AM »
outside of this Florida wildlife argument, I'm still waiting on someone to respond to the AR15's ability to break in half, AND convert to .22lr. still no response though...
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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2012, 04:51:14 AM »
outside of this Florida wildlife argument, I'm still waiting on someone to respond to the AR15's ability to break in half, AND convert to .22lr. still no response though...

Yes nola we all know.  .22 LR conversion.

My argument still sticks even under this circumstance. Something big enough to take large game or man for self defense at all times.

There is a reason when I go squirrel hunting I carry 12 gauge with some bird shot.

Because a pocket away there is something bigger.

Look guys I understand how awesome .22 is, yes its great its an awesome survival round for hunting Small game and blah, dee blah dee blah.

The discussion is, Bug out bag gun. Right?
Well, My opinion is.
Carry something that can at the bare minimum deter a threat to you. Hopping into the back of a truck before getting ravaged by a hog or climbing a tree before becoming bear shit. Isn't always going to work & stopping power is needed IMO at all times.

I can tag a steel plate all day long with my 10/22 sure, turn it into a Frisbee and launch it at my face. See what happens. Circumstances change really quick.

.22 just doesn't do it for me.
I'm sorry guys hate argue, bitch all you want. I just can't do it.

If I had to have one firearm, I promise you it WILL NOT be a .22 long rifle.
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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2012, 11:09:44 AM »
How 'bout y'all split the difference and settle for a 9mm carbine?
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« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2012, 11:17:03 AM »
Wow!  What a cool little popcorn eating and soda drinking guy.

I'm with you sledge. I like that little popcorn eating guy.

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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2012, 11:29:31 AM »
Wow!  What a cool little popcorn eating and soda drinking guy.


I'm with you sledge. I like that little popcorn eating guy.

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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2012, 11:36:46 AM »
just what good would a 9mm carbine do against a bear?

lets not forget we are talking about BOB guns,
personally i'm buggin out with a 357 revolver and a 22lr
were talking bugging out, as in you will not have a resupply you can take an ak or even an ar and have 500-600 rds
for the same weight you can carry 2000 fucking rds of 22lr
and lets not forget you will not get much food if you shoot a squirrel with a 5.56
for me its all about weight to round count/use ratio
rifle cartridges are heavy as fuck and have very limited use in feeding yourself
i been trappin all my life but i still eat awful good on the squirrels and such i shoot as i walk around checking my traps


yall play too much on your fears lions hogs and bears oh my!
you know what the odds are on you ever even seeing a bear much less being attacked by one?
well its a hell of a lot lower than your odds of seeing easy game that your rifles would blow up or simply run out of ammo in a month or two
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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #40 on: May 02, 2012, 11:56:56 AM »



Thanks special-k!

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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2012, 08:34:19 PM »
A big bore rifle sounds good at home warm in your office chair... but it sounds like shit sitting in the woods. it will have little use. putting all your eggs in the bear attack basket is silly. thats like reinforcing your boat incase a whale jumps and lands on it and leaving no more weight space left for food. theres a maximum capacity so unless you plan to sink you plan to starve instead. but atleast incase a whale lands on you while your starving to death you wont get put out of your misery.

@ Nola a .22 conversion AR seems just fine aslong as you dont plan to bring 2 AR's, one in .22 and one in 5.56 or anything like that.
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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #42 on: May 02, 2012, 10:03:07 PM »
the conversion thing is ok but there is no point to it
5.56 wont stop a bear, and it will explode small game
so whats its use?  deer, but the 22lr does fine on that anyways
all your doing is weighing you the fuck down with no added benefit
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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2012, 01:32:14 AM »
I'm sorry, but limiting yourself strictly to a .22lr if it is prudent that you bug out is retarded. Carry both a defensive capable primary, and a small game .22 if you really need it. Either a .22 that breaks down or a pistol and spare ammo for both in your pack or jammed in mags. If you can't easily hump 55-65lbs of gear, you're over weight and out of shape and it would behoove you to add a physical conditioning program to your prepping regime. Don't limit your system due to a lack in physical capability, change your physical capability to properly compliment a squared away system. It's like a shitty carpenter blaming the tools, or a driver blaming the vehicle.

I do cardio and weight training 4-5 days a week with an armor carrier stuffed with 75lbs of barbell weights, if you're not a complete pile of shit or your body will not allow, I suggest you all do something similar. Physical capability and endurance will decide whether you live or die, and it won't matter how many rabbits you can score with your .22lr.

i fucking give up on you people


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« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2012, 02:33:00 AM »
Agree with redneck, his original post.

When I was a kid, times were pretty tough. No running water, outhouse, kerosene lamps. We ate a lot of beans, tortillas, and eggs. What we did get was rabbit, turkey, grouse, and the occasional deer. We did a lot of spotlighting and used a .22 shot from inside the cab of our truck to muffle the shot. It was our primary meat getting gun. My grandpa had a 7mm and a couple of boxes of shells he kept for elk that wandered into the alfalfa field in the summer but everything else was taken with a Winchester 62a.

We lived out in the sticks for years and never had a problem with anything but coyotes and the occasional mountain lion.  No wild boar in sw Colorado.

I've been under theconsideration that a good BOB gun would be a ruger standard, extra Mag's and 550 round box. Granted,  I view a BOB as what it is meant for, sustainment of life for 1-3 days en route to either a BOL or home.

Every person has to make the decision on what the percieved threats to their life and liberty will be. A desert dwelling nomad will have different needs that a Atlanta based yuppies. Different threats require different tools. Where I live, there are not a lot of large predators, so the choice for me is based on food gathering with a lower emphasis on fighting off rabid wolverines.the ability to stay extremely light is a large concern due to the need to carry large amounts of water.  I know the effectiveness of the round in gathering food and I will not turn my nose up at it.

That being said, the first gun I grab when I travel is a glock 17 and 100 rounds. My main concern is self defence in an urban environment, concealability, and weight. Not the ability to engage in a prolonged gunfight, but to defend my ass as I beat feet out of whatever situation I may find myself in.

 Our plan is to grab our AR'S and BOB's as we run out the door if civil unrest is happening. Once again, different scenario, with a different tool. I know someone will say, "but doppleganger, what if something happens while you're not at home and don't have your MBR.  " Well then, I probably deserve to be shot for not paying enough attention to the socio-political situation in my area AO to know the level of unrest.

I think some good reccomended reading is ferfals blot about his experiences with the economic collapse ir Argentina. Or "self defense, Israeli style" a paladin press book written by an Israeli citizen. Well thought out arguments and opinions in both places.

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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2012, 04:09:08 AM »
Good points dopple  [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co I can say this about the whole descussion why bug out? I understand some people need to, but damn i would rather die defending what is mine and my families than abandon it and all my supplies and die running.

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« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2012, 09:54:30 AM »
 Two words. RED DAWN.  Everyone thinks that it's easy to just run out to thewoods like they see on Tv. It's macho bullshit. Living in the sticks is hard during good times. I personally am not some Bush ape with braided pig tails and a mora knife hanging around my neck who plans on tromping around the woods barefoot starting bow drill fires. Ilearned that wheni was Ianthe scouts as a kid. They took us on an unannounced overnighter with nothing but what we had in our pockets and an orange. (I still don't understand the orange.) I tried making a lean to with a throw away plastic ponchos and lining the ground with pineneedles. I would have built a brush shelter but the Older scouts snagged up all the good resources. I spent the night shivering until myback hurt burning everything I could find just to stay warm till the morning.
I view a bugout scenario going about the same way. Limited resources being horded or fought over by multiple groups and the weakest won't. Make it. What little resources thereare will be taxed by the large amounts of people using them up with no conservation. Imagine entire forests clearcut and burned like what happened in Russia during the cold war. I think the game would be hunted out or scared away leaving little to feed yourself on.
I've spent time since then overnight in the woods on bugout training, it's never comfortable. But I do see it as anneccesary skill to have.  I don't view it as an endgame. I view it as a transitionary skill at the most. Like I said. Getting home or moving from home to a secondary location. In either case, the first priority is not needing to Bush ape it, but to get from a to b as quickly, and safely as possible with the BOB being the insurance card you use when shit really goes sideways.

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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2012, 12:40:36 PM »
I think the whole bug out plan is based off of individule situation. Me personally, Wife, small child one on the way. I am almost required to bug in and hold what i have. Just my situation. But i could see why NOLA would want to Bug out. And JMc has his own plan of action to leave his area and go to a preplanned BOL. Each person has to asess their situation and plan and pack accordingly. I personally love the .22 and all the wonderfull things that can be done with it. And i cant see the harm in packing out with a primary battle rifle with 500 rnds and having a little folder .22 with another 1000rnds squireled away in a BOB. We each have our own needs for Bugging out or bugging in. And if .22 meets those needs then .22 rulz. As for me the .22 is not only being preped as a method of food gathering but also as a potential barter item.
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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2012, 01:26:18 PM »
Two words. RED DAWN.  Everyone thinks that it's easy to just run out to thewoods like they see on Tv. It's macho bullshit. Living in the sticks is hard during good times. I personally am not some Bush ape with braided pig tails and a mora knife hanging around my neck who plans on tromping around the woods barefoot starting bow drill fires. Ilearned that wheni was Ianthe scouts as a kid. They took us on an unannounced overnighter with nothing but what we had in our pockets and an orange. (I still don't understand the orange.) I tried making a lean to with a throw away plastic ponchos and lining the ground with pineneedles. I would have built a brush shelter but the Older scouts snagged up all the good resources. I spent the night shivering until myback hurt burning everything I could find just to stay warm till the morning.
I view a bugout scenario going about the same way. Limited resources being horded or fought over by multiple groups and the weakest won't. Make it. What little resources thereare will be taxed by the large amounts of people using them up with no conservation. Imagine entire forests clearcut and burned like what happened in Russia during the cold war. I think the game would be hunted out or scared away leaving little to feed yourself on.
I've spent time since then overnight in the woods on bugout training, it's never comfortable. But I do see it as anneccesary skill to have.  I don't view it as an endgame. I view it as a transitionary skill at the most. Like I said. Getting home or moving from home to a secondary location. In either case, the first priority is not needing to Bush ape it, but to get from a to b as quickly, and safely as possible with the BOB being the insurance card you use when shit really goes sideways.

i can see your point entirely, but I must remind you that not everyone would be faced with such a difficult experience. for example, as I've talked about many times around the forum, I have a location on private land, a well, a rather large fish pond, tractors, and a house that looks like it should be on the cover of Southern Living magazine. my true test, if it ever actually comes to fruition, will be TRAVELING between my current residence, and my BOL. hence the reason I always advocate getting out early while it's still easy to travel.

so my only point is that it's a bit short sighted to assume that everyone will be living a bushcraft lifestyle if they bug out. it all depends on what resources they have available to them. If someone just bugs out "aimlessly" and just heads for "the woods" (lol) then yea, I agree with your viewpoint 100%. rest assured that if I wasn't lucky enough to have private land to squat on, I'd most likely just stay put here in the good ol' murder city. so just for future reference, when I personally talk about my bug out plan, that entire plan revolves around trekking from point A to point B. once I arrive at point B (if I'm so fortunate) then I'll be pretty much made in the shade.

EDIT: I should also add that whether or not you're lucky enough to have a BOL as cozy as mine, it's still wise to prep for the possibility of going all Red Dawn boyscout bushcraft lol. for example, whether or not I'm able to make it to my BOL, I still have to consider what is the best "bug out weapon" because even if I DO make it to my destination, if we're talking about a serious full on collapse here, it's not like guns,  ammo, etc... would be readily available, so I still have to approach the issue as if I were planning for the worst. Whether I'm sleeping on a pile of pinestraw under a lean-to or in a king size bed, the world outside is still WROL, and I'll still need the same tools and accommodations.

getting back to the topic of the thread, this is why I push so hard for the AR platform, because it truly is the best all-around weapon once you consider the bolt conversion. it takes care of both a good solid defensive weapon that's proven in combat, and with the swap of 1 part taking a total of a few seconds, you can take small game and not destroy the meat. anyway, I'll stop harping on it. everyone has heard me out by now, lol.
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Re: great BOB gun
« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2012, 09:11:01 PM »
ONCE AGAIN, SOME FOLKS NEED TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH? IT'S A MATTER OF WHAT WORKS FOR YOU, NOT SOMEONE ELSE? I HAVE WHAT I NEED AND WILL USE IT, I SAY YOU ALL SHOULD DO SAME?