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Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« on: April 17, 2013, 05:00:28 PM »
Universal Background Checks fail in Senate, 54-46.

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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2013, 05:02:01 PM »
Good! I hope Toomey feels like a real jackass now. He betrayed his voters and lost anyway!

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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2013, 05:10:56 PM »
Technically it was 54 for the bill, and 46 against; but because of the need for 60 votes to prevent filibuster, the Dems gave it up.

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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2013, 05:13:16 PM »
GO join GOA and support them.

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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2013, 07:20:08 PM »
YES!

Toomey is out in 2016!! Fucker!!!

Sorry I digress.

This along with several other things (Sequester comes to mind) is starting to erode at Barry's position. Just means that TEOTWAWKI is closer than later.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2013, 09:55:26 PM »
YES!

Toomey is out in 2016!! Fucker!!!

Sorry I degrees.

This along with several other things (Sequester comes to mind) is starting to erode at Barry's position. Just means that TEOTWAWKI is closer than later.

Closer? Think he'll do something desperate? On another subject, wouldn't it be totally ironic if the civil war kicks off next year, on the 100th anniversary of WWI?

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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2013, 10:46:50 PM »
In case anyone was wondering where they got the ever-present 90% support number, here is the poll of 1,711 registered voters.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes--centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1877

They tried to circumvent the Constitution based on a polling of 1700+ people. Ridiculous.

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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2013, 05:50:27 AM »
Anyone else find it ironic he showed more anger and emotion at this than he did even towards the Boston Bombing?  They are getting VERY desperate and the hat will drop much sooner than later, especially as they find they cannot do as they wish even within the system as twisted as it is.
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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2013, 10:09:24 AM »
Keep writing letters, make calls, send emails to your representatives. The anti-Constitutionalist are pissed and are flooding calls to their reps. Keep the pressure on, this is not over by any stretch.

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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2013, 10:34:38 AM »
Not over by and stretch, now is the time.

My state Senators are both Dems.. does that stop me from lighting up their phones? Hell no!

I called both of them yesterday to remind them that the good people of their home state loved their guns and didn't care for having things taken from them!

I always end up with the same girl when I call Udall's office which has worked in my favor because it allows me to slowly wash the left's rhetoric from her brain. When you call ask if they are from your state, make comments that show you share the same experiences "the only ones who need gun control is APD" make them feel like you could hang out and be friends. They will be more likely to carry your ideas to their boss, hell if you shift them far enough they will carry only your ideals to their boss.

Not a bad thing I say.

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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2013, 11:46:25 AM »
Good advise TG.

You are right on the money Crudos, "Keep writing letters, make calls, send emails to your representatives. The anti-Constitutionalist are pissed and are flooding calls to their reps. Keep the pressure on, this is not over by any stretch."

I still think Barry and his bunch are starting to loose their grip. Remember, a cornered animal is dangerous. Just check out my earlier post Benghazi All Over Again, on the Saudi national that all of a sudden is going home from Boston. Mmmmmmmm?
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2013, 07:46:06 PM »
As Nelson from the Simpsons would say and I quote " ha ha"  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2013, 07:46:50 PM »
libs on facebook are SOOOO butthurt lol

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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2013, 11:48:44 PM »
He is trying to blame the Republicans but he is ignoring the fact that Democrats bailed on him because he is a horrible leader and a horrible person in general.

Also liked how he is mad that minorities are protected by our Constitution.
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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2013, 09:58:55 AM »
Found an interesting piece in the WSJ ...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324493704578430672176449846.html?KEYWORDS=the+gun+rights+consensus

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'A pretty shameful day for Washington," President Obama called it, with "pretty" being the only remnant of his famous cool. In the Rose Garden, he blamed the failure of gun control in the Senate Wednesday on three causes: "The gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill." The Senators who voted against it are cowardly and had "no coherent arguments as to why we wouldn't do this. It came down to politics." And finally "a minority was able to block it from moving forward" through "this continuing distortion of Senate rules."

The media are amplifying Mr. Obama's themes with less subtlety, amid a collective aneurysm in Washington and New York. Yet this combination of animus and overreach explains why the post-Newtown gun debate has been such a lost opportunity.

The President might have forged a compromise from the political center out that reduced gun violence at the margins while respecting Second Amendment rights. Instead, liberals cleaned out their ideological cupboards in favor of gun restrictions that would have little practical effect but would have notched a symbolic victory over the National Rifle Association and those benighted rubes in the provinces. By so overreaching, Mr. Obama couldn't even steamroll moderate members of his own party.

A word, first, about that Senate "minority." Majority Leader Harry Reid was free to bring the deal struck by West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin and Pennsylvania Republican Pat Toomey to the floor for an up-or-down vote, and this background-checks amendment might have passed. It did convince 54 Senators, including four Republicans.

But under Senate rules, a simple majority vote would have opened the measure to up to 30 hours of debate, which would have meant inspecting the details. The White House demanded, and Mr. Reid agreed, that Congress should try to pass the amendment without such a debate.

Majority rules would have also opened the bill to pro-gun amendments that were likely to pass. That would have boxed Mr. Reid into the embarrassing spectacle of having to later scotch a final bill because it also contained provisions that the White House loathes. So Mr. Reid moved under "unanimous consent" to allow nine amendments, each with a 60-vote threshold.

The White House was right to worry. An amendment from John Cornyn of Texas that would have required all states to recognize every other state's concealed-carry permits earned 57 votes, 13 Democrats among them. The nearby table has the list. On Thursday, Wyoming's John Barrasso offered an amendment to protect gun ownership privacy that passed 67-30.

The media are attributing the demise of Manchin-Toomey to the clout of rural states, as if those voters don't count; or claiming it would have passed under a secret ballot, as if democratic accountability is bad. Our guess is the amendment would have received fewer votes in a secret ballot. Many red-state Democrats wanted to avoid handing Mr. Obama a larger defeat on a bill that was about to fail anyway, but more might have parted company once the specifics were scrutinized.

Manchin-Toomey was rushed together on a political timetable, and a thorough scrub would have revealed that its finer legal points aren't as modest as liberals claim. Tellingly, the White House blew up earlier negotiations with Tom Coburn on background checks. The Oklahoma Republican favored more and better checks across secondary firearms markets like gun shows and online, but liberals insisted that federally licensed dealers had to keep records.

In other words, keeping guns away from dangerous or unstable people was less important than defeating the NRA. The Senate GOP offered an alternative background-checks amendment that failed 52-48. Nine Democrats were in favor, but their colleagues voted en masse to block it from moving forward. How's that for incoherent?

Mr. Obama is technically right that Manchin-Toomey would not create a federal firearms registry. Then again, its most clamorous supporters are also contemptuous of the Second Amendment, and they are explicitly hoping for a fifth Justice to overturn the Supreme Court's landmark gun-rights rulings. Manchin-Toomey opponents can be forgiven for worrying that gun controllers will attempt to build a registry from whatever records they get.

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Meanwhile, political reporters are ignoring the disintegration of Mr. Obama's overall gun agenda. Restricting large capacity magazines went down 46-54, with 10 Democrats breaking with the President. Banning certain types of semiautomatic rifles failed 40-60 with 15 Democrats opposed. Those 15 or so Democrats, along with numerous Republicans, are the true mainstream on guns in America: open to reasonable compromises as long as they safeguard individual rights.

People who cling to their guns, or merely to the Constitution, aren't part of the coalition that Mr. Obama believes re-elected him, and his mistake was thinking they would simply dissolve into history's rearview mirror in his new progressive era. Mr. Obama was routed this week because he tried to govern from the left and thus played into the hands of the NRA. If the Newtown families want someone to blame, they can start with the President.

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« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2013, 01:33:08 PM »
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Re: Universal Background Checks fail in Senate
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2013, 06:10:32 PM »
Shotgun Shooting Spree...Seattle
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Five people were killed Sunday night after a Seattle-area man shot his girlfriend and then confronted and killed three others who'd tried to stop him during a shooting spree. The gunman died in the subsequent confrontation with police.

Police in Federal Way, Wash., said today that a 27-year-old man with a history of domestic violence used a handgun to shoot and kill his 24-year-old girlfriend, setting off a flurry of 911 calls from the apartment complex and drawing individuals out to see what was happening, according to Brian Wilson, chief of the Federal Way Police Department.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/dead-man-kills-girlfriend-shooting-spree-seattle/story?id=19015078#.UXW0z8rEjIU
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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2013, 12:42:22 PM »
the door is the only reasonable defense a sane individual will choose to protect themselves.

It only makes sense, I mean school restrooms are door free zones. Clearly the powers that be deem them to be too effective during those most personal of times, to be utilized by children is just lunacy.