no criminal charges for pepper-spray-cop

[NOLA556]

i don't support OWS... but for fuck sake...  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

No charges for pepper-spray cop

the only reason why any of you would reply to this thread in defense of this cop and/or this court decision is because you want to get me permanently banned from the forum due to massive rant overload.

[Kentactic]

Regaurdless of right or wrong, are these people seriously suprised at the outcome?... No clue where they are at or why they are doing what they are doing. But if cops are demanding you do something and you dont, the minimum youll get is pepper sprayed.

[Outonowhere]

Because right or wrong, constitutional or not a cop is ALWAYS right and has the power and authority to use WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY to gain your compliance.  AMMARIGHT?

Badges don't grant extra rights!

/EndRant

[NOLA556]

Regaurdless of right or wrong, are these people seriously suprised at the outcome?... No clue where they are at or why they are doing what they are doing. But if cops are demanding you do something and you dont, the minimum youll get is pepper sprayed.

bro you sound exactly like my local "Rush Radio" evening show host. no joke.

[Kentactic]

Regaurdless of right or wrong, are these people seriously suprised at the outcome?... No clue where they are at or why they are doing what they are doing. But if cops are demanding you do something and you dont, the minimum youll get is pepper sprayed.

bro you sound exactly like my local "Rush Radio" evening show host. no joke.

My point is you wont catch me "protesting" like these verns. Im not about to knowingly ignore police orders and await my pepper spraying... Ya you got pepper sprayed... nothing changes except youll have a cool story of how heroic you were in 40 years to tell your grand kids. If he held a gun to their heads would they have awaited execution too? Dude GTFO of there... These people are a pertfect example of why the 1st ammendment is worthless without the 2nd. OWS was a failure 100% because their words carried zero weight. They had it totally backwards... They scream at the top of their lungs and have nothing to back it up...Hows it suppose to be again? "speak softly but carry a big stick".... 

[NOLA556]

Regaurdless of right or wrong, are these people seriously suprised at the outcome?... No clue where they are at or why they are doing what they are doing. But if cops are demanding you do something and you dont, the minimum youll get is pepper sprayed.

bro you sound exactly like my local "Rush Radio" evening show host. no joke.

My point is you wont catch me "protesting" like these verns. Im not about to knowingly ignore police orders and await my pepper spraying... Ya you got pepper sprayed... nothing changes except youll have a cool story of how heroic you were in 40 years to tell your grand kids. If he held a gun to their heads would they have awaited execution too? Dude GTFO of there... These people are a pertfect example of why the 1st ammendment is worthless without the 2nd. OWS was a failure 100% because their words carried zero weight. They had it totally backwards... They scream at the top of their lungs and have nothing to back it up...Hows it suppose to be again? "speak softly but carry a big stick"....

honestly bro... I can't argue with that.

but, while you're absolutely correct, it still doesn't excuse that use of force. morons? of course, police force = disgusting? of course.

and hey bro, let me raise you one...

ok, so you'd run away in that situation... so does that get you any further than the kids who just sat there at got pepper sprayed? you either stand, or you lay down. honestly bro, sitting their like a moron and getting sprayed is at least a little bit ballsier than running away when a man with a badge orders you to.

point is, you either physically defy them, or you follow orders. oddly enough, you're advocating following orders, and bashing those who defy. I'm not trying to attack, just trying to bring some perspective.

[Outonowhere]

Ken,

Let me see if I understand your point...

There is no point to peacefully protest when you will just be illegally and unconstitutionally assaulted and arrested anyway.
*Thumbs up*

JFK Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable

[Kentactic]

Ken,

Let me see if I understand your point...

There is no point to peacefully protest when you will just be illegally and unconstitutionally assaulted and arrested anyway.
*Thumbs up*

JFK Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable

Yep... i agree with the video quote.

But my point is from a different angle. A man screaming at you who can do nothing to you no matter what you do to him is a very weak protest in todays world. Hold a long gun and see how fast they wanna hear what it is you want way before you try to talk. Holding a 2nd ammendment protected item isnt considered a violent protest. Its simply saying "i have something to say and if you dont like it you can non-violently protest back, but if you take it to the next level im ready for that too, and you will be held accountable for any wrong doing as any other".

Many say just because you have all these rights dosent mean you have to use them all at once. But clearly we need to use a couple at once in this case in order to keep the peace. Or atleast keep your first ammendment. If they are going to walk all over you then eventually you have to say no more.

[Outonowhere]

Ken,

Let me see if I understand your point...

There is no point to peacefully protest when you will just be illegally and unconstitutionally assaulted and arrested anyway.
*Thumbs up*

JFK Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable

Yep... i agree with the video quote.

But my point is from a different angle. A man screaming at you who can do nothing to you no matter what you do to him is a very weak protest in todays world. Hold a long gun and see how fast they wanna hear what it is you want way before you try to talk. Holding a 2nd ammendment protected item isnt considered a violent protest. Its simply saying "i have something to say and if you dont like it you can non-violently protest back, but if you take it to the next level im ready for that too, and you will be held accountable for any wrong doing as any other".

Many say just because you have all these rights dosent mean you have to use them all at once. But clearly we need to use a couple at once in this case in order to keep the peace. Or atleast keep your first ammendment. If they are going to walk all over you then eventually you have to say no more.

Well, seeing how anyone who wishes to exercise their rights in such a manner is labeled a domestic extremist and usually shot on sight if perceived a real threat, the possibility of peaceful "protest" becomes impossible...

[APX808]

If you were sitting protesting with a rifle/gun in your hands, and you tried to use it to defend yourself against the police spraying you, you would end up serving time in prison for sure man. (That's supposing they decide to pepper spray you instead of ventilating you without warning)

Never discard peaceful protest as it is the most important tool people have in a democracy, it generates political changes, or at least put issues in the media focus.

If you start using violent means, media will destroy you, people will be afraid of you and LEO will kick your ass, ventilate you or put you in the can.

[Kentactic]

Ken,

Let me see if I understand your point...

There is no point to peacefully protest when you will just be illegally and unconstitutionally assaulted and arrested anyway.
*Thumbs up*

JFK Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable

Yep... i agree with the video quote.

But my point is from a different angle. A man screaming at you who can do nothing to you no matter what you do to him is a very weak protest in todays world. Hold a long gun and see how fast they wanna hear what it is you want way before you try to talk. Holding a 2nd ammendment protected item isnt considered a violent protest. Its simply saying "i have something to say and if you dont like it you can non-violently protest back, but if you take it to the next level im ready for that too, and you will be held accountable for any wrong doing as any other".

Many say just because you have all these rights dosent mean you have to use them all at once. But clearly we need to use a couple at once in this case in order to keep the peace. Or atleast keep your first ammendment. If they are going to walk all over you then eventually you have to say no more.

Well, seeing how anyone who wishes to exercise their rights in such a manner is labeled a domestic extremist and usually shot on sight if perceived a real threat, the possibility of peaceful "protest" becomes impossible...

Well i cant say yes or no as i havent marched down the street 1000 people deep with rifles shouldered yet but if thats where were at then thats where were at.

[Kentactic]

If you were sitting protesting with a rifle/gun in your hands, and you tried to use it to defend yourself against the police spraying you, you would end up serving time in prison for sure man. (That's supposing they decide to pepper spray you instead of ventilating you without warning)

Never discard peaceful protest as it is the most important tool people have in a democracy, it generates political changes, or at least put issues in the media focus.

If you start using violent means, media will destroy you, people will be afraid of you and LEO will kick your ass, ventilate you or put you in the can.

So your saying mearly holding a rifle isnt a peaceful protest? And i highly doubt a police officer would be stupid enough to just start pepper spraying a few in a crowd of thousands with weapons. But... if he wants to become a domestic terrorist and not allow peaceful protests then its really our duty at that point.

[APX808]

If you were sitting protesting with a rifle/gun in your hands, and you tried to use it to defend yourself against the police spraying you, you would end up serving time in prison for sure man. (That's supposing they decide to pepper spray you instead of ventilating you without warning)

Never discard peaceful protest as it is the most important tool people have in a democracy, it generates political changes, or at least put issues in the media focus.

If you start using violent means, media will destroy you, people will be afraid of you and LEO will kick your ass, ventilate you or put you in the can.

So your saying mearly holding a rifle isnt a peaceful protest? And i highly doubt a police officer would be stupid enough to just start pepper spraying a few in a crowd of thousands with weapons. But... if he wants to become a domestic terrorist and not allow peaceful protests then its really our duty at that point.

Is not what "I" say, is what your patriotic act and anti terrorist law says.

On the other hand, I don't see "thousands" of people in the video... just 50 guys getting sprayed and a lot of people watching.

Also, we weren't talking about "thousands" of people with guns... That for sure is something we never saw before, it would be nice to see what happens, also it would be nice to see how can you congregate an armed group of that size.

[Kentactic]

@APX, Id like to see the laws you speak of as ive never read them.

We are talking thousands as far as im concerned because i already said GTFO of there in your weak 15 people. So now that we are back in more numbers such as OWS. Take OWS and place long guns in their hands... bam.. done. I dont see why holding a weapon makes it harder to get people to stand close together.


Sorry if my reply sucks im on my phone lol.

[thatGuy]

Lets keep it above board gang, make a solid argument and you know I will allow it but let's keep the 'hate speech' out of it. All that crap does is make us look like the rest of the wackos.

[Kentactic]

Good call TG

[Outonowhere]

To the actual Peace Officers who uphold the constitution, peoples natural rights and actually serve the public I say thank you very much.

[Outonowhere]

Lets keep it above board gang, make a solid argument and you know I will allow it but let's keep the 'hate speech' out of it. All that crap does is make us look like the rest of the wackos.

Why not just edit the words out and keep the video?  Or should we just turn on the news as its becoming more severe, more frequent now days.

Today, one mans speech is "hated" and suppressed, tomorrow it's yours.  I would hope everyone here would stand for everyone else's natural right to free speech.

I know this is YOUR forum TG, not saying you don't support the 1st amendment, but why go so far as to delete his post?  Weren't we in this forum once PROUD to be on the SPLC list?  When do we stop being PC and reserved?  After we have our rights forced from us and are monitored 24/7.  Or maybe as they try to load people onto the trains...

Just saying, whole line in the sand thing like the old bugs bunny cartoons.  Eventually you'll draw the line one more time to find yourself falling off of a cliff.

[Grudgie]

And why was my post deleted? I was defending cops agianst hate speech, I thought it was a very respectable reply. It isn't my call or my forum, but it is a little ironic that someone so adamant about the natrual rights of free speech would supress others.

[thatGuy]

Grudgie, don't put words in my mouth. You have no idea how I feel about the 1st Amendment.

You're post was fantastic but it lacked context when I removed the previous post. I hope you understand that. I didn't do it because of anything you had said.

OONW, if you want to stick your neck out so far that you get your head cut off then by all means but I intend to survive till I am needed.

[NOLA556]

oh jeez..  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

A: there's no such thing as "hate speech" any more than there's such thing as "hate crime"

B: there certainly are things that you don't want to say on a forum who's image is a concern of yours

C: 1A doesn't apply in private settings

D: LE doesn't deserve to have someone defend them. even if they're "good guys", they're still the muscle behind all the bogus laws that are ruining our country. you ever watch the security camera videos from that raw milk place out west where they got raided buy a goon squad with guns drawn? don't you think at least a few of those paid thugs are "decent" men outside of work? I'm sure they treat their wives well and raise their kids with love and care, but they are the enforcement arm of a tyrannical government when they're at work and that is not fucking OK with me. anyone who's read more than a few of my posts knows that the whole "just following orders" BS doesn't fly with me. that uniform and badge turns a good guy into a bad guy instantly, and we all know it. on one hand, we have the hoards of uniformed revenue collectors valiantly "serving and protecting" our roads and intersections, and on the other hand we have our overly militarized door-kicking, o-dark-thirty-raiding, hippie stomping, LRAD-loving mall ninjas, and somewhere in between we have the 5% who's reputation is being tarnished by the other 95%.

[gapatriot]

Didnt i mention something last summer about co-oping OWS and getting people like us out to run security for them? You dont like what the cops are doing get out there, you dont have to agree with the message just their right to spread it.

[thatGuy]

Nola,

A) I used the term 'hate speech' because the speech started with the words 'I hate...'

B) Abso fucking lutly, it is an OPEN forum. We don't require a member to vet you for you membership nor do we keep guests from viewing the forum. We have tried to write rules and explain to some of you guys over and over again that you need to present yourself as if you were in public because it is PUBLIC!

C) A1 and free speech are a relic from a by gone era so was dueling.. You really want to be able to say what you please?

D) Nailed it buddy.

[thatGuy]

What I am saying is that Free Speech was never Protected Speech. In America you have always been free to speak your mind just the same as someone else was free to take offense to it and demand satisfaction.

If you denied a gentleman's request for satisfaction he had the right to chastise you publicly for the rest of your days as a coward. To the extent of taking out adds in the paper and printing handbills.

And all that is to say you were dealing with a civil person, what I just described was the hight of civility. A coarser man would just beat the fuck out of you and his defence in court would be that you offended him and his honor. Typically the court saw these cases as a waste of time unless very serious damages were done.

So you are looking at a world where you were free to say as you pleased and someone else was free to relieve your face of its teeth. That is something I can believe in.

[NOLA556]

lol.. TG that last post wasn't directed at you, just to the board in general.