Unchained Preppers
General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: Reaver on September 07, 2011, 03:01:59 PM
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WHEN I get my AK74 this is what I am going to put on it. Figured you guys would like to hear about my ideas.
1. Ambi-Selector http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90898
2. http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=241
3. http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XEMAAKMR&name=EMA+Tactical+AK+Mag+Release&groupid=301&search=AKMR
4. http://www.botachtactical.com/caaagakpigr.html
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvcznfgvW3U If they make it for AK's & if they don't then http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SBT-K47&Category_Code=_stks
So... thoughts suggestions... questions?
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Looks good, to me. I'm a bit jealous of that ambi-safety, as mine has a scope rail on that side.
For the stock, you should check out
http://www.falconarms.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35&product_id=55
I have one of these and it's solid. Folds to the right for us southpaws. Doesn't get in the way of the bolt when folded. Feels good in the shoulder, and is solid enough to crack a coconut. Totally worth the money.
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WHEN I get my AK74 this is what I am going to put on it. Figured you guys would like to hear about my ideas.
1. Ambi-Selector [url]http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90898[/url]
What you're seeing is basically an external version of the Bulgarian left side selector lever
(http://www.k-var.com/shop/images/AK-335RL1.jpg)
Instead of a hole on the side, you had to mill a slot in the bottom (and either change your grip or take some off). K-Var hasn't had these in stock for some time though.
I don't like it because it's 'backward'; as in the unnatural thumb movement disengages the safety instead of the natural. Something like a RSA or Blackjack SWIFT would be a better idea (or do the cheaper route and simply weld a tab on the safety selector). If it was the reverse (fired a .308 Galil last weekend which did it the more ergonomic way) then I'd say 'cool cool'. As is stands, no thanks.
2. [url]http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=241[/url]
I suppose the first question that needs to be asked is: 'Why do I want a quad rail?'
The model you linked won't allow you to cowitness your irons with your optics when using the standard top rail. However, MI has seen the error of their ways and teamed up with US Palm to make optic-specific top ends which will. That said, you're kinda stuck with that particular optic once you do it (unless you want to spend more $$).
If all you need to attach is an optic and a light, it's hard to beat the combo of Ultimak top rail + AP micro + offset light mount. Do you have some need that requires a full quad rail? If so, then going with the MI with an optic-specific top makes sense.
MI recently released a new mount, shades of LaRue Irondot
http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=421
Their Gen1 definitely had some immediate problems but the new one shows some real potential (I'm not going to be the guinea pig on this one).
3. [url]http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XEMAAKMR&name=EMA+Tactical+AK+Mag+Release&groupid=301&search=AKMR[/url]
You don't need that. While it can make it easier to release the mag with the strong hand, since the mags are rock n' lock it doesn't turn it into a real drop-free system. Also, when applying different TTP's (like mag sweeping) it hinders the action.
4. [url]http://www.botachtactical.com/caaagakpigr.html[/url]
Perhaps a personal preference but I like plain ol' AK grips (I also have little girl hands!)
5. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvcznfgvW3U[/url] If they make it for AK's & if they don't then [url]http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SBT-K47&Category_Code=_stks[/url]
You don't want to use any plastic AR stock adapter. You have a couple different options, however. The two most prominent are the ACE and Vltor.
If you decide to go with an ACE block, you have several options.
There are internal and external blocks for both stamped and milled guns. I personally only run the internal blocks but you have to cut the tang(s) off for both the stamped and the milled. Once that's in place, you can just get an AR stock adapter and run that. Alternatively, you could put an ACE folding mechanism on the receiver block and have a folder too.
http://riflestocks.com/store/ (http://riflestocks.com/store/)
The Vltor is a good option if you don't want a folder and also have a stamped AK. Noteworthy that it won't work with Yugos, however.
(http://www.vltor.com/images/AKsmall-600.jpg)
http://www.vltor.com/accessory.htm (http://www.vltor.com/accessory.htm)
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WHEN I get my AK74 this is what I am going to put on it. Figured you guys would like to hear about my ideas.
good job on gunning down my build bro.
1. Ambi-Selector [url]http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90898[/url]
What you're seeing is basically an external version of the Bulgarian left side selector lever
([url]http://www.k-var.com/shop/images/AK-335RL1.jpg[/url])
Instead of a hole on the side, you had to mill a slot in the bottom (and either change your grip or take some off). K-Var hasn't had these in stock for some time though.
I don't like it because it's 'backward'; as in the unnatural thumb movement disengages the safety instead of the natural. Something like a RSA or Blackjack SWIFT would be a better idea (or do the cheaper route and simply weld a tab on the safety selector). If it was the reverse (fired a .308 Galil last weekend which did it the more ergonomic way) then I'd say 'cool cool'. As is stands, no thanks.
I would rather it be their & backwards then not be there at all.
I have already decided on the optic I'm getting & its the one that is specifically build for this rail.
2. [url]http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=241[/url]
I suppose the first question that needs to be asked is: 'Why do I want a quad rail?'
The model you linked won't allow you to cowitness your irons with your optics when using the standard top rail. However, MI has seen the error of their ways and teamed up with US Palm to make optic-specific top ends which will. That said, you're kinda stuck with that particular optic once you do it (unless you want to spend more $$).
If all you need to attach is an optic and a light, it's hard to beat the combo of Ultimak top rail + AP micro + offset light mount. Do you have some need that requires a full quad rail? If so, then going with the MI with an optic-specific top makes sense.
MI recently released a new mount, shades of LaRue Irondot
[url]http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=421[/url]
Their Gen1 definitely had some immediate problems but the new one shows some real potential (I'm not going to be the guinea pig on this one).
Actually from what I have researched most of the SGL's will kick the magazine out for you, & not only does it allow you to use your fingers to release it, it also extends the magazine release so I can still to the " tactical reloads " as I have already trained with my standard AK
3. [url]http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XEMAAKMR&name=EMA+Tactical+AK+Mag+Release&groupid=301&search=AKMR[/url]
You don't need that. While it can make it easier to release the mag with the strong hand, since the mags are rock n' lock it doesn't turn it into a real drop-free system. Also, when applying different TTP's (like mag sweeping) it hinders the action.
It is in personal preference, I have the same one on my CAR 15 & I love it. I do not have little girl hands and prefer a big grip. ( also tis why I went with the M9 as a secondary, but that's another topic ^-^ )
4. [url]http://www.botachtactical.com/caaagakpigr.html[/url]
Perhaps a personal preference but I like plain ol' AK grips (I also have little girl hands!)
I have a Mako setup on my Maadi, and after what I have done to it. I trust it enough to try out another one of their products. The stock was a maybe though. Because if I get the SGL31-94 I'm really not interested because they have the top of the line stock folder right now. If I get the 61 or 62 then that may happen in the futer. Imagine the reduced recoil on a weapon that almost has no recoil as is. Worth it to me. & they make some of them in solid alluminum if I am not mistaken.
5. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvcznfgvW3U[/url] If they make it for AK's & if they don't then [url]http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SBT-K47&Category_Code=_stks[/url]
You don't want to use any plastic AR stock adapter. You have a couple different options, however. The two most prominent are the ACE and Vltor.
If you decide to go with an ACE block, you have several options.
There are internal and external blocks for both stamped and milled guns. I personally only run the internal blocks but you have to cut the tang(s) off for both the stamped and the milled. Once that's in place, you can just get an AR stock adapter and run that. Alternatively, you could put an ACE folding mechanism on the receiver block and have a folder too.
[url]http://riflestocks.com/store/[/url] ([url]http://riflestocks.com/store/[/url])
The Vltor is a good option if you don't want a folder and also have a stamped AK. Noteworthy that it won't work with Yugos, however.
([url]http://www.vltor.com/images/AKsmall-600.jpg[/url])
[url]http://www.vltor.com/accessory.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.vltor.com/accessory.htm[/url])
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good job on gunning down my build bro.
There wasn't any, 'gunning down' anything. You asked:
So... thoughts suggestions... questions?
I gave both concise thoughts and also offered suggestions and alternatives. It's your gun, do what you want. [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
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I would give a hard look at a Battle Comp. They have them in 24mm and 14x1LH.
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I'll stick to the AK74 brake. Thanks for the input
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I only mention it because you said
Imagine the reduced recoil on a weapon that almost has no recoil as is.
BattleComps work about as well as the 74' style device at recoil reduction without the giant lateral concussion and flash. Here's a short vid by Travis Haley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUbxO3jkJxc
Not 100% salient as he's comparing it to a slant brake, however.
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I'll give it a look through. I really dig the 74 brake. I don't mind the blast concussion or flash. [img]http://www.smileydesign.n
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Check out the new Mako Group/ Fab defense stock i replaced my stock on my Bulgarian AK 74 with it its very sturdy and comfortable http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=UAS-AKP&Category_Code=_AK47Stocks
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Generally speaking I try not to put plastic in general and Israeli plastic in particular on a rifle for hard use.
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they also make it in metal but its like 400 bucks
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Check out the new Mako Group/ Fab defense stock i replaced my stock on my Bulgarian AK 74 with it its very sturdy and comfortable [url]http://www.makosecurity.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=UAS-AKP&Category_Code=_AK47Stocks[/url]
Welcome aboard, thanks for posting. That's a crazy stock what's the major +/-?
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I'll give it a look through. I really dig the 74 brake. I don't mind the blast concussion or flash. [img]http://www.smileydesign.n
Not to be bitch but you might mind the muzzle flash when it skylights your ass. Just saying.
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Well, I have weighed all my options equally and thought very carefully about how ( I ) was going to do things.
What I came up with was this.
I chose very fast, decently accurate, intimidation.
I only have three capable people in my group. So I want very loud, stuff. Very bright intimidating stuff.
I do not believe in staying and fighting it out. Its not ganna happen.
So my last impression before I flee the area is going to be " holy shit, what the hell was that "
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Well, I have weighed all my options equally and thought very carefully about how ( I ) was going to do things.
What I came up with was this.
I chose very fast, decently accurate, intimidation.
I only have three capable people in my group. So I want very loud, stuff. Very bright intimidating stuff.
I do not believe in staying and fighting it out. Its not ganna happen.
So my last impression before I flee the area is going to be " holy shit, what the hell was that "
I completely agree with you. There are others in my group with more accurate platforms. My role is simply to destroy everything the muzzle of my rifle sweeps. Kinda like an xray, I let you see through the enemies cover! [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
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All of that works until someone else is lateral to your position and ends your day badly because of the loud, bright, and obvious shot signature. Me personally, I'd rather they be like, "where the F*^% did that shot come from?!?!?" and have no idea who tagged XYZ nor what direction it came from than be intimidated through loud noises and overtly, overly-obvious illumination.
I can also tell you first hand that the bright flash you see with a 74' brake does more to hinder your night vision than it will of your opposition. So yes, while your first shot may be, 'decently accurate' I can guarantee your followups won't be (especially once everyone starts moving).
Do yourself a favor and go out at night (if you have the facilities to do so) to test this theory. My bet is that follow-up shots will be hard to do, even with stationary cardboard targets. Ask me how I know...
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All of that works until someone else is lateral to your position and ends your day badly because of the loud, bright, and obvious shot signature. Me personally, I'd rather they be like, "where the F*^% did that shot come from?!?!?" and have no idea who tagged XYZ nor what direction it came from than be intimidated through loud noises and overtly, overly-obvious illumination.
I can also tell you first hand that the bright flash you see with a 74' brake does more to hinder your night vision than it will of your opposition. So yes, while your first shot may be, 'decently accurate' I can guarantee your followups won't be (especially once everyone starts moving).
Do yourself a favor and go out at night (if you have the facilities to do so) to test this theory. My bet is that follow-up shots will be hard to do, even with stationary cardboard targets. Ask me how I know...
I don't know where you are, but I'm in the swamps. night vision with 0 moon is pretty hard to do 1.
and 2. Its so thick you can barely see any way.
It's my build, my philosophy & my life. What is the issue?
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It's my build, my philosophy & my life. What is the issue?
I'm just saying that the best laid plans can be undone with a single shot.
I tend to base my TTP's (Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures) off of those who have actually been in the situation, not the 'theory' of it. Ergo, I have never heard of the situation nor TTP's which you describe actually working outside of statistically insignificant, outlier events. I suppose this could just be from counter-factual thinking and not fully realizing all dangers involved.
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Well, when your ( most likely) biggest threat, is a couple of Inbred Rednecks looking to get some water from the creek.
I think it will do just fine.
Look man, if been there I've done all that. I know what its like to get shot at. I know how I felt, I know how I would have felt if something much scarier would have been shooting at me.
I know my companies TTP's and I know that I disagree with what most of the army has to say. Not because it does or does not work but because if shit goes wrong in the army you just call in a strike.
If you don't like what I'm doing, then don't do it. I'm sticking to what I feel will work best for my terrain & my tactics say Hit hard loud and fast then disappear. Not leaving a very threatening signature doesn't deter much of the chase party now does it?
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I understand that any input I have is going to be discarded due to your feelings about me from the previous forum. What I'm really asking you to do is to actually shoot at night. No theorizing. No bullshit 'thought process' or any of that... but to actually go out and train at what you're preaching.
I have. Have you?
It's a bigass mistake to assume that everyone has the same training and the same reactions to fire that you did. If I really didn't care then I wouldn't be posting at all, aside from, 'Awesome plan!!' or other such encouraging comments which would be chuckled about later.
The more I read your posts the less I think you want real input, based on real, practical, concerns and not just attaboys.
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Not leaving a very threatening signature doesn't deter much of the chase party now does it?
If they don't know where or what made the shot that killed their mates... You don't think that's threatening? uh.... OK. Sure. (this is a TTP used by USMC scout snipers, but they must not know what they're talking about...)
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Though I have not fired my current primary during the night. I have trained at night.
Your input will not always be disregarded, maybe in this case but not always.
I read and think about everyone's input, then decide if I want to agree or disagree with it.
I have my own " toolbox " as does everyone else. & from my personal experience with myself, the army, some pmc training, and just life in general. I am working on filling my " toolbox " with what I feel is the right things, for me.
Sometimes an attaboy even if you disagree is all that's needed. :))
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Not leaving a very threatening signature doesn't deter much of the chase party now does it?
If they don't know where or what made the shot that killed their mates... You don't think that's threatening? uh.... OK. Sure. (this is a TTP used by USMC scout snipers, but they must not know what they're talking about...)
Why are you getting hostile man?
Look if you don't like what I do, then DON'T DO IT.
And to boot, I'm Not a fuckin Marine Corp scout sniper. I'm just another guy in the swamps trying to avoid contact.
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Why are you getting hostile man?
Look if you don't like what I do, then DON'T DO IT.
I didn't think I was getting hostile, not really. I apologize if you take my lack of tact circa 2:30am to be that way. I was just introducing situations where your current intimidation plan might fall to entropy based on actual, not totally theoretical, situations.
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Well, thank you for your input.
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You know on a side note it's interesting to see the two design phloshies of the Combloc and the US. The Soviets wanted a controlable rifle but the we not to concerned about the survivability of their soldiers cause they had plenty of them lol.
Enjoy your new rifle dude I'm sure she will be a sweet shooter.
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And what did the Americans do?
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And what did the Americans do?
The Kalash' was initially intended to be a bigass subgun (partially evidenced by the fact that FA is the first notch after safe). The Russians focused on industrial warfare about mass attacks supported by tanks and heavy artillery. America went to the other end of the spectrum and focused on maneuver warfare. Individual marksmanship are far more important with maneuver warfare and our weapons selections have proven that point for over a hundred years.
However, our focus on accuracy has been around far longer than maneuver warfare doctrine, sometimes to the point of negligence. For example, the Marine Corps initially refused Garands. They declared that they weren't accurate enough at distance. They quickly found out that fighting in the jungle with a 1903 Springfield was less than ideal. See, they didn't want to trade off that ounce of accuracy for all of the vast advantages of a semi-auto rifle.
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And what did the Americans do?
Just flash suppressed our guns lol. You see it all over in Soviet equipment design, survivability was a second thought. Read "survivability" not "durability" cause the commies got that part right. Don't get me wrong homie, I respect the hell out of the kalashnikov, especially when hadji is trying to kill me with it. Your gonna have a nice rifle when your done!
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Interesting, I didn't know that the Birdcage was a flash suppressor I thought it was a brake.
I just learned something.
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So the US went with, flash suppressors over muzzle brakes?
Well yes and no lol. The way the standard birdcage works it is a flash suppressor but also directs the muzzle blast. Hell 5.56 is so soft shooting anyway. It's all good.
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Hello Everyone RON L here
I'm so encouraged to see all the wonderfull reponces here, I know this is a Tpoic that Liek the AR/AR deal heats folks up, it's good to see that while we all might have differenting opinions we can respect the other fellows, ever if we don't agree with it! I'm one of those foks that went ComBlock weapions but I jump back across the fence to an AR and I hope one day a FAL? I see it as so many have said here differnent weapons all sorts of Hand low points of each? I won't grab youres out of your hands and don't try some with mine? LOL I have Healthy respect for Comblock as I have had to face them and know thier reputation and reliability, all the while laughing like hell as so many of the fools weilding them at me? I'm one of those freas that Loves a FAL< but Settle for an AK as I could easier affoard it and admire it for what it will do inthe right hands! That said, I dont ignore the down sides and just as I own onek,t hink the other fellows rifle is a Poor pick? Part of being around a while, I have made my mistakes and learned from them, but not always? LOL
RON
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Interesting, I didn't know that the Birdcage was a flash suppressor I thought it was a brake.
I just learned something.
It's really both. The A2 muzzle device has a closed off bottom to help reduce muzzle rise. The slots reduce flash. The A1 devices had slots all the way around so were more purely flash hiders.
ETA: The A2FH takes this
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/DavePAL84/random/muzzle-002.jpg)
and turns it into this
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/DavePAL84/Muzzle%20Flash/A2-combocopy.jpg)
It is very salient that the first picture is from a 16" barreled gun and the second is from an 11.5"(!!!!) making the difference even more pronounced.
Here's an AK-74 brake on the same setup:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/DavePAL84/Muzzle%20Flash/74muzzle.jpg)
Flash enhancer?
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Hey reaver this might be something for your AK...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=docUTwROk0M
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Hey reaver this might be something for your AK...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=docUTwROk0M[/url]
I was actually looking at that today.
Thanks man. That is whats probably going to happen.
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http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XRSAKSM&name=RS+AKSM+30mm+Scope+Mount&groupid=64 (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XRSAKSM&name=RS+AKSM+30mm+Scope+Mount&groupid=64)
if you have a side rail and want to mount a red dot
http://www.onesourcetactical.com/arsenalmagazine-ak74545x39-45rndblk.aspx (http://www.onesourcetactical.com/arsenalmagazine-ak74545x39-45rndblk.aspx)
and you need a few RPK74 mags
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I actually just got one of those RS mounts with a Vortex Strikefire in the mail today.
So far, I'm pretty impressed. Decent co-witness and the thing is rock solid.
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I have the mako group stock and have put it through its paces in very hard use including dropping it on concrete on purpose twice open and closed for that very reason with the polymer connector not the 400 dollar gallil style one and have had no issues its a very sound stock with a great lock up and still no play. An the adjustable cheek piece is a really nice touch in my opinion