Unchained Preppers
General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: NOLA556 on August 26, 2012, 09:59:11 PM
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I liked it quite a bit. Neat little caliber.
I hear that it's fairly expensive to shoot, with inferior ballistics. That's really a shame because I wouldn't mind picking up a little odd-ball gun like that for a back-up.
Anyone have thoughts on the 30/30?
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odd ball hell 30/30 is one of the most common rounds in america I have a set of dies for em. Dont own one but i have dies have 30-06 dies too.
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Ballistically it's comparible to a 7.62x39, just a hell of a lot more expensive to shoot and uses a heavier bullet (about 50gr heavier).
although a more accurate statement may be 7.62x39mm = Poor man's 30-30
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pretty popular in caliber very unpopular in amount of ammo on hand per owner of said caliber. And not that the 30/30 is made for anything beyond 200 yards but at 400 yards you can watch the stream of the bullet as it hits the target at an extreme angle. Pretty much similar ballistics to a 7.62X39 if i had to describe its similarity to another popular caliber.
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Ballistically it's comparible to a 7.62x39, just a hell of a lot more expensive to shoot and uses a heavier bullet.
although a more accurate statement may be 7.62x39mm = Poor man's 30-30
Funny we used the same caliber in comparison... lol
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Understand the possible implications of this
pretty popular in caliber very unpopular in amount of ammo on hand per owner of said caliber.
Add the potential for this situation odd ball hell 30/30 is one of the most common rounds in america I have a set of dies for em. Dont own one but i have dies have 30-06 dies too.
And place yourself in a sweet spot for horse trading if you pick up every fired shell you come across and just sit on them till needed...
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One more thing, don't ever underestimate the potential for havoc this gun has even as innocent and antiquated as it looks.
Not the 94 but another winchester lever action in an interesting bit of history http://www.militaryrifles.com/turkey/Plevna/ThePlevnaDelay.html (http://www.militaryrifles.com/turkey/Plevna/ThePlevnaDelay.html)
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And place yourself in a sweet spot for horse trading if you pick up every fired shell you come across and just sit on them till needed...
..and then get laughed at becasue you can't make your own primers.
Come on folks, there aren't going to be buckets of strike anywhere matches lying around.
Well dam. I have thread jacked another thread. That's minus one karma for Grudgie.
Most people don't store thousands of rounds for their 30/30 because they are down to earth people who aren't going to be engaging in fire fights like most trigger happy 'preppers' are going to be.
*opens Pandora's Box and runs away.*
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Actually I have made my own primers but wouldn't recommend it due to the danger and legalities currently, it involves nitric acid, moonshine and mercury. That match head shit is in fact shit.
8500+ primers takes up little space also.
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Understand the possible implications of this pretty popular in caliber very unpopular in amount of ammo on hand per owner of said caliber.
Add the potential for this situation odd ball hell 30/30 is one of the most common rounds in america I have a set of dies for em. Dont own one but i have dies have 30-06 dies too.
And place yourself in a sweet spot for horse trading if you pick up every fired shell you come across and just sit on them till needed...
My thoughts exactly when i picked up my reloading gear used (paid $150 or 200) its came with several dies 30/30, 30-06, 9mm, .308, 7 mag, and .222 rem, I could have sold all the stuff i dont need. But 30/30 (last I read) was the most prominant cal. in the US, followed by the 30-06 may be switched now. But none the less I kept both dies. 9mm and .308 are obvious, 7 mag is bit in this area as a hunting round so it works out great, and .222 rem was a very popular target round before the .223 rem came about. So to you reloading guys think of trade value in picking up dies that you dont shoot, brass is cheap right now. Pick up some good, small rifle, large rifle, small pistol and large pistol primers and a few pounds of general rifle and pistol powder and you are sitting on a gold mine!!! Not to mention guy down may not have a .223 7.62x39, .308 but i bet he has a deer rifle in 30/30 or 30-06. Also just a little tip 7mm-08 can be sized to .308 check your put up brass boys!! I pick up all the brass when i hit the range, I take a 5 gallon bucket and actually empty the trash cans. In SHTF brass will be a valuable commidity so hold on to what you can (and if you hard up from cash you can always scrap it)!
P.S. Spell check isnt working so oh fucking well
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primers are 25 bucks per thousand
there are only 4 sizes you need
derrrr stock up on them
pretty damn cheap to stockpile, its bullets and powder that the price sucks on
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Alright we've thoroughly hijacked this thread so I'll toss this little bit of fun out for those wanabe chemistry monkeys
A certain fertilizer and charcoal was used as an artillery propellent in WW1, I think it was called ammonpulver or some such. Dirt cheap to produce even today, of course it's not to be compared to modern smokeless but in a pinch...
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NOLA,
as Gap eluded to there has been more deer, bear and moose dropped with a 30-30 than any other sporting bullet.
You can use black powder or smokeless. It will easily take a cast bullet and if you want to be real tricky Hornady just came out with a 30-30 round that has a plastic pointed tip and which probably increases your range by 200 yards in the extreme.
I have put away powder, bullets and primers along with a mold for this round. In a SHTF situation I will be in business to sell the 30-30 round to my neighbors.
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Another really neat thing about lever action rifles is their ablity to eat less than perfect ammo. Do to the action being manually operated with extended leverage you can feed them cases that wouldn't fire in other action types.
I also like that you can get a lever gun chambered in a pistol cartridge.
Does that mean that I am going to pitch out the AR/Glock combo? Hell no but down the road I would like to own a .357 levergun.
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It will easily take a cast bullet and if you want to be real tricky Hornady just came out with a 30-30 round that has a plastic pointed tip and which probably increases your range by 200 yards in the extreme.
I would imagine being its .30 caliber there are lots of pointed FMJ and other style bullets that will work aslong as its not going in a lever action. Unless its a funky oddball caliber thats a couple thousanths off.
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oddly enough, we were shooting those Hornady nylon tips because the owner of the gun is too uninformed to know that there's a cheaper option. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
lol.
yea, either way, thread-hijacks are ok, I didn't really have a specific direction for the thread. just wanted to hear yall's thoughts on the caliber.
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I fired the .30-30 a couple of times and I loves it!!! It is accurate and has enough punch to do normal jobs and hunting duties. It is a ballistic dog, but it is good enough, especially in a lever-action. If an old-timer rancher or farmer has a bead (and the drop) on you from 100 - 150 yards it's pretty much over. :'(
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The round is a dog,
(http://www.nzhunting.co.nz/images/table.jpg)
Just for comparison,
(http://www.barnaul.co.nz/uploads/images/62gn%20Ballistics%20Chart.jpg)
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hellz yea. good to see my trusty .270 hanging tough in there. (and at around the same ammo price as 30/30 with far superior range and ballistics :)) )
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Hate to break it to you but .270 is for girls NOLA, did no one ever tell you?
:P
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Hate to break it to you but .270 is for girls NOLA, did no one ever tell you?
:P
lol... i don't even have a witty comeback. I'll donate this one to you.. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at lololol
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I do
Hate to break it to you but .270 is for girls NOLA, did no one ever tell you?
Girls like Jack O'Connor?
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Come on now, we all know that the 270 is a fine round capable of the job for which it was intended.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MVSm4HtmbjA/TgpCyOKrYcI/AAAAAAAAADI/BZrpilq10AE/s1600/girl%252Bwith%252Bgun.jpg)
I know that is a .22 Cricket by the way. :o
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270 destroys a .308 at long range ballistics. Although its a LA so perhaps its possible the accuracy might not be there but thats just theory. But no one shoots LA in longe range comps if thats any indication. They left the 30-06 for the .308 for a reason. And it wasnt because it had more potential velocity obviously. Some say a shorter case made the powder burn more evevnly then a 30-06 with a long thin powder with air accross the top.
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It's perplexing that you guys take me more seriously than i do. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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It's perplexing that you guys take me more seriously than i do. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
Its not really about the joke you made. Your joke just turned into a semi serious discussion.
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It's perplexing that you guys take me more seriously than i do.
Don't worry your heart out about that :D
Even glib or smartassed comments can lead to careful consideration with sharp people.
Tossing out some numbers for you doubters of this fine old round, let's use the 170 grain flat soft point (speer) leaving the muzzle at a stately 1900 fps with a ballistic coefficient of .3 zeroed at 200 yards (yes I know that zero range is blasphemy to some)
100 yards about 5.5" rise (call that 6" for us ornery old bastards that don't care for excess "precision")
200 yards obvious
300 yards about -22.5" (call it 2 feet, easy to remember, 605 foot pounds of energy)
400 yards about -66.5" (call that 5 and a half foot with 480 f.p.e.)
500 yards about -138" (that's 11.5 feet of drop easy on the mind as a touch under 12" with about 400 f.p.e.)
A decent lever will give you 2 to 2 and a half moa, a fine one probably 1 and a quarter and quite a few of us know what the particular round we favor in this caliber can do. And by the way you can load 2 spitzer boat tails, one in the chamber one in the tube or do the shot gun handfull of shells just dropped in as you go.
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Well i'll admit this, i dont actually consider .270 a girl's round however i love my .30-06 and .308, this conversation does have me thinking about trying one out. :P
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My Marlin 336c has been my faithful hunting rifle for years. Within its intended range, I've always hit what I shoot at and never have to shoot twice. Jacketed soft-point all the way!
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Colombo, is there actually a soft point 30/30 bullet that has a BC in the .300's or is that a theoretical..Seems a tad high, But i suppose its not that off so it could be.
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Colombo, is there actually a soft point 30/30 bullet that has a BC in the .300's or is that a theoretical..Seems a tad high, But i suppose its not that off so it could be.
Yes and you can get even better, I've seen 220 grain flat point cast loaded in some guns.
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my moms bf has a newer marlin, i love shooting that thing. i really want to shoot an old winchester.