SBR as a Primary

[Reaver]

How many of you guys run SBR's as your Primary?

If I where to acquire an AR 15 Pistol and do all that was needed to SBR it do you see it feesable to run?

[EJR914]

I totally would if I could afford one...

[Colombo]

Sbr is gonna cost you a 200 dollar tax stamp and put you on the revenuers list of toy owners. That said I have considered a similar option myself but have yet to pull the trigger on it.
My thinking is more along the lines of an integrally suppressed ar or ak barrel with a total barrel length of 16.25" which gets me a handy sized weapon AND a can for 1 stamp. Probably go with a mono core so I can always pull the core and drop it in a pouch to reduce the receiver fouling if I don't care about the noise.

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[mountainredneck2051]

i just dont want to be on a list or i'd buy one

except i wouldnt go with 5.56
the rounds power comes from velocity
killing the velocity with a sbr seems like a bad idea to me

of course i dont know how much velocity is lost
maybe someone could post some specs? 

[UnBroken]

My paperwork just came back for my AK47 sbr. I believe its totally worth it. The ar plateform has so many issues when you start knocking off inches from the barrel. Most companies that make suppressiors or after market BCG's won't warrenty the parts I'd the barrel is 10.5 inches or less.

The ar sbr's I have seen have eather been complete waste of money due to trial and error or where made by a company that cost way to damn much. There have been few that have set up and gotten it right out of the gate.

The AK47 sbr have always been right in my experience never an issue with any type of ftf ,cycling or other problems. The one I'm in the process of building is 7.62x39 and I have tested the break I have not seen any fire breathing dragon's pop up.

All the eztra gas coming out of the barrel makes that sucker flame on......thats sbr' s as a whole. So a good muzzle device is a must...


I worked in my uncles shop for over 5 years and during my leave time when i was in the usmc. All I did was build and fire sbr' s best time of my life  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

[UnBroken]

i just dont want to be on a list or i'd buy one

except i wouldnt go with 5.56
the rounds power comes from velocity
killing the velocity with a sbr seems like a bad idea to me

of course i dont know how much velocity is lost
maybe someone could post some specs? 

I'll look for some charts that are out there.. Google fu

[leadpersuasion]

I say if your primary is in 7.62x39 or 6.8 SPC (which I highly doubt anybody can afford that right now). Otherwise, I don't see a need for SHTF.

[Reaver]

Roger that. thanks for the responces guys. I to was thinking of not getting it due to the lack of velocity.

[thatGuy]

Guys are 'slaying bodies' everyday with 10.5" 5.56s don't let that bullshit get in the way of your thinking.

That said for $300 you could buy an ace folder and tax stamp for that sweet little draco you got their buddy and that would be a legit AK sbr.

[Reaver]

Well see guys. It's either 900 dollars in ammo or a one for one trade on an AR 10.5 Pisol.

I'm not to worried about the tax stamp as there will be no law when I do what needs to be done. Untill then it will stay a pistol. Roger.

[thatGuy]

An AR-10 SBR would be epic.

I don't feel like I need to tell you (just making a mention for the rest of us) that in the forest, swamps and marshes of Florida a large caliber SBR would be a fantastic primary. Being quick handling and lighter with a bullet that can 'punch' though vegetation would quickly offset any loss in ballistic potential.

Plus it would give you the opportunity to buy some new ammo pouches!  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

[WhiskeyJack]

Could you use a one pint sling and adjust it to your body and arm length and then set up with a forward pistol grip and push out against the sling. Would that be viable for you and avaoid the tax stamp and silly toy list? Just a thought.

[1000meterstare]

If I ever get in a future firefight (hope the good Lord doesn't deem it) the LAST thing I want is a suppressed anything.  I want my enemy to hear loud accurate shots and put the fear of God in him.  I want the unpleasant stench of fear and the taste of bile in my enemy's mouth.  I want them to know "Big Daddy D" has an accurate bead on them. [img]http://bestsmileys.com/ar

[thatGuy]

Could you use a one pint sling and adjust it to your body and arm length and then set up with a forward pistol grip and push out against the sling. Would that be viable for you and avaoid the tax stamp and silly toy list? Just a thought.

With the AR 'pistols' you still have a buffer tube. They work as a stock.. funny that the ATF never caught that.

[Reaver]

I agree 1KMS

Srry guys but I'd rather turn the 900 bones I'm getting into ammo. Thanks to a certain member here on SP I'm getting an awesome deal.   [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

[EJR914]

I'd like to get one of those sick little Dracos one day.

[UnBroken]

I'd like to get one of those sick little Dracos one day.

Working on mine now. It ships Wednesday and I just bought the 75 overkill drum mag aswell  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

[EJR914]

I'd like to get one of those sick little Dracos one day.

Working on mine now. It ships Wednesday and I just bought the 75 overkill drum mag aswell

Nice!  There is nothing like getting the 75 drum mag for a draco.   [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

Make sure you post pictures if you feel like it, I know some are hesitant to post pictures, though.

[505th.NM.Militia]

Unbroken!  Excellent work on the SBR draco.  It's a dream for now, but here's some info:

Once you have your papers and stamp, engrave you rreceiver.  This makes your otherwise unaltered firearm an SBR.  Installing a VFG is now legal with or without the stock installed!  Get your ACE side folder (installed to fold to the shooters left to avoid bolt clearance issues) or check the new shotgun news ads polish underfolder stock $79.99 

[UnBroken]

Unbroken!  Excellent work on the SBR draco.  It's a dream for now, but here's some info:

Once you have your papers and stamp, engrave you rreceiver.  This makes your otherwise unaltered firearm an SBR.  Installing a VFG is now legal with or without the stock installed!  Get your ACE side folder (installed to fold to the shooters left to avoid bolt clearance issues) or check the new shotgun news ads polish underfolder stock $79.99

 I.already have the.stock..... its a http://usmachinegun.com/proddetail.php?prod=AKU-DRFS ... That way there is no machining. I have spoken with the owner on.several occasions. It's a great stock.and have shot his draco that has the same stock ......its bad ass.

Im still tryin to figure if I wanna switch out the Foward handguard for rails and throw a red dot on it or keep it classic wood. No matter what Im gonna do the  matching paint job as my m4 ....

I'm very on the.fence about it. BTW sry revere for hijacking the thread

[thatGuy]

Well I'll be damned, it really is a 'no drill no weld' stock for an AK.

But for the extra Hundred I can drill and tap two holes on a rear trunnion

[UnBroken]

I agree TG. I have worked on dracos for my uncle and we would go threw drill bits like crazy. The reason for this is the dracos rear access point is extremely thick so that people would have a hard time drill and tapping it for a stock. It's not impossible but i just like this set up so much more

[thatGuy]

Hey man, don't tell me how easy it is to snap a drill bit! I know all too well but I also know that if you make a good fixture to hold down what you are working on, get it secured to a good drill press running the right RPMs and keep that bit lubed it can be done.

[CrystalHunter1989]

The SAS use a 16'' M4 variant as one of their primary weapons. If it works for them then I'm ok with it.

[mountainredneck2051]

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