Author Topic: Reliable ejection with 3" shells (Read 4904 times)

Reaver · « **Reply #25 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:48:01 PM »

Also, High brass low brass doesn't mean squat. It's actually just an advertising ploy that makes people think they are getting like a magnum load or something.

Kentactic · « **Reply #26 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:49:42 PM »

All sounds right to me... so based on all that ill say once fired the RIO buck is no more then 3" for sure.

As far as i know high brass just helps with reliability.

Reaver · « **Reply #27 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:53:50 PM »

Yeah, the shell is total 3" but inside your chamber wall is slightly less than that. hence the hang up.

As for reliability. I don't know about that man, a lot of follow up pigeons and squirrels would say that low brass 7-1/2 shot shell ejected just fine.

Kentactic · « **Reply #28 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:57:35 PM »

The 870 port is 1/8'' shy of a 3'' opening... even if you ignore the taper and how the shell must turn at an angle making it longer then 3'' theres still no way the gun can eject 3'' it seems.

Kentactic · « **Reply #29 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:59:46 PM »

Quote from: Reaver on October 19, 2012, 11:53:50 PM

Yeah, the shell is total 3" but inside your chamber wall is slightly less than that. hence the hang up.

It feeds INTO the chamber fine... its the ejecting out of the port thats an issue. No hang ups upon extracting from port on these rounds. only on ejecting from port.

Reaver · « **Reply #30 on:** October 20, 2012, 12:00:00 AM »

Do you run into any issues with American made 3"?

Kentactic · « **Reply #31 on:** October 20, 2012, 12:02:01 AM »

Quote from: Reaver on October 20, 2012, 12:00:00 AM

Do you run into any issues with American made 3"?

Reaver im thinking this is 3'' by american standards. Ive never actually shot a shell that said it was a 3'' shell before though. But if this is 1/4'' longer then the american made 2.75 shells isnt that a 3'' by american standards?

Reaver · « **Reply #32 on:** October 20, 2012, 12:23:12 AM »

Didn't you fire 3" Rio?

If the 2 3/4 is 1/4 bigger what about the 3" is it 1/4 larger as well?

Kentactic · « **Reply #33 on:** October 20, 2012, 12:27:29 AM »

Quote from: Reaver on October 20, 2012, 12:23:12 AM

Didn't you fire 3" Rio?

If the 2 3/4 is 1/4 bigger what about the 3" is it 1/4 larger as well?

the 3" i spoke of was a 2.75 Rio buck. Its in the picture. it is longer then a standard 2.75 shown above in the picture. Ive only ever fired rounds that were called 2 3/4. The Rio bucks true COAL is 2.5'' which is 1/4'' longer then an american 2 3/4.. im assuming it would be considered a 3'' shell by american standards. Sorry if i was confusing.

To put it all simply it is my understanding now that an 870 is unable to eject american 3'' shells reliably... atleast.... the american 3'' shell once it has been fired is longer then the ejection port is.

Kentactic · « **Reply #34 on:** October 20, 2012, 12:31:26 AM »

Reaver · « **Reply #35 on:** October 20, 2012, 01:19:43 AM »

Is it 3" chambered or 2-3/4

Cause dude. I've ran hundreds of 3" through mine without any issues ever. Until I used that over sized sellior & bellot stuff.

Kentactic · « **Reply #36 on:** October 20, 2012, 01:36:16 AM »

Quote from: Reaver on October 20, 2012, 01:19:43 AM

Is it 3" chambered or 2-3/4

Cause dude. I've ran hundreds of 3" through mine without any issues ever. Until I used that over sized sellior & bellot stuff.

3'' chamber

Im not sure the gun cant eject 3'' shells reliably. But it seems odd the port is smaller then a spent 3'' shell. Even unfired it barely clears the port before the shell begins to turn out. I will deffinatly pay more attention and slowly eject a spent Rio shell to see whats going on. Im thinking the shell is bending as the base is trying to turn the shell but the plastic hull is still behind the steel wall. In theory this could release the extractors grip on the shell. Ill report back on sunday with what i found.

JohnyMac · « **Reply #37 on:** October 20, 2012, 09:34:26 AM »

Drop an email to Remington concerning some of your questions and observations. Although I have never sent Remington an email I have other firearm manufactures with a almost 100% response rate.

Kentactic · « **Reply #38 on:** October 20, 2012, 11:47:02 AM »

Quote from: JohnyMac on October 20, 2012, 09:34:26 AM

Drop an email to Remington concerning some of your questions and observations. Although I have never sent Remington an email I have other firearm manufactures with a almost 100% response rate.

Eh... i sent them my 870 when it was jamming cheap ammo shells in the chamber. They "polished the chamber" and sent it back. the chamber still had color on it and the gun still jammed. I just had my local gunsmith polish the chamber correctly and im pretty confident that issue is solved. Any future issues will be sent to my gunsmith.

Kentactic · « **Reply #39 on:** October 21, 2012, 04:29:38 PM »

Ok i learned a lot. First the Rio 00 buck is a 2 3/4 shell it just is taller loaded because of the rolled crimp i suppose. Same length hull as winchester 00 buck after firing it. Next all shells failed to eject properly when the action is worked with the port facing up (gun sideways) and at a 45 degree angle ish.... But all shells ejected good with the action worked while the gun is in a typical position. I suspect all 870's will fail to eject properly with the port facing up and at a 45 degree angle like mine did. If i slam the action back very hard the shells just barely fly free.

Ill post the video if i can figure out how the hell to get it off my phone.

Kentactic · « **Reply #40 on:** October 22, 2012, 04:36:41 PM »

Looking at the video again i think maybe the cause is when i work the action and move the gun fast. the shell is trying to get away from the gun but im moving the gun so fast the shell is caught in flight back in the port.


870 Failure to Eject

Reaver · « **Reply #41 on:** October 22, 2012, 05:20:17 PM »

I see what your talking about dude.

I just did it in mine and when I tuck mine side ways like that they ejected shells nearly hit me in the face. That's with 3" Remington shells as well as some birdshot shells.

Kentactic · « **Reply #42 on:** October 22, 2012, 05:57:18 PM »

Quote from: Reaver on October 22, 2012, 05:20:17 PM

I see what your talking about dude.

I just did it in mine and when I tuck mine side ways like that they ejected shells nearly hit me in the face. That's with 3" Remington shells as well as some birdshot shells.

A spent shell or a live one? My gun ejects the unfired rounds no problem because of the weight.

Reaver · « **Reply #43 on:** October 22, 2012, 06:02:23 PM »

Spent. On both.

Kentactic · « **Reply #44 on:** October 22, 2012, 06:37:53 PM »

Ok well i just threw a spent round in and it almost always forgets to leave the port when i rack it. Its as if the little ramp that the base makes contact with and kicks it out is at the wrong spot so it contacts at the wrong time. Oh and i put a low base spent round back in the chamber.... the gun jammed up.. i couldnt rack it out without feeling like im bending the action rails. I had to jam a cleaning rod down it to help. My theory is the low base and the extractor pulling from a single side makes it turn in the chamber and bind up. I pulled the barrel off and put a spent low base in and pressed it in hard and then with little effort the cleaning rod pushed it out.

Whats scrap steel going for right now?

special-k · « **Reply #45 on:** October 22, 2012, 06:49:41 PM »

Quote from: Kentactic on October 22, 2012, 06:37:53 PM

...Whats scrap steel going for right now?

Yeah, you could always scrap it and put the money towards a Benelli. [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m

Kentactic · « **Reply #46 on:** October 22, 2012, 08:50:53 PM »

Quote from: special-k on October 22, 2012, 06:49:41 PM

Quote from: Kentactic on October 22, 2012, 06:37:53 PM
...Whats scrap steel going for right now?
Yeah, you could always scrap it and put the money towards a Benelli.

Scraps not going for that damn much i know that lol..

Plus a benelli feels like crap in my hands. Im sure its a great gun, but for me i cant get into it.

Kentactic · « **Reply #47 on:** October 22, 2012, 08:53:09 PM »

So i took the gun back to my gunsmith and his final words were "well if you end up wanting to sell it let me know i need a gun for around the shop". I think he said that right after he said "well how the hell should know how to fix it".. lol.. hes a funny old timer.

mountainredneck2051 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 22, 2012, 10:10:36 PM »

the old timers round here are looking to screw everyone too

Kentactic · « **Reply #49 on:** October 22, 2012, 10:40:37 PM »

nah hes cool.

My choices now are

Throw away my Remington and buy a different brand

Get a different older 870 reciever

learn to shoot the gun without working the action with the port up.

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Author Topic: Reliable ejection with 3" shells (Read 4904 times)