Author Topic: Reliable ejection with 3" shells (Read 4935 times)

Kentactic · « **on:** October 18, 2012, 10:56:58 PM »

Anyone else having issues ejecting 3'' shells in an 870? I run Rio Royal 2.75 00 Buckshot which is actually a 3'' shell and i find that they dont eject very well. I think its because once the shell has expanded it snags up and jumps off the extracter because the port is not long enough and the shell starts to turn out while the end of the shell is still behind the reciever.

I have no issues with any 2.75 shells.

1000meterstare · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2012, 11:01:16 PM »

My friend has a Remington 870 and uses the 12-pellet 00 buck S&B. This is also labeled as 2.75 but is closer to 3". No feed or ejection issues whatsoever. Same with my Winchester Super X pump (defender). Never tried the Rio stuff. I will buy a box sometime and give you an update, Ken.

Kentactic · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2012, 11:07:53 PM »

Quote from: 1000meterstare on October 18, 2012, 11:01:16 PM

My friend has a Remington 870 and uses the 12-pellet 00 buck S&B. This is also labeled as 2.75 but is closer to 3". No feed or ejection issues whatsoever. Same with my Winchester Super X pump (defender). Never tried the Rio stuff. I will buy a box sometime and give you an update, Ken.

Cool thanks, i need to find out if its my gun or the shit ton of Rio ammo i have. Not sure which solution is cheaper.. lol

It often happens when im port loading so im working the action with the gun on its side (port facing up). Maybe 1 in 5

mountainredneck2051 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 19, 2012, 12:46:39 AM »

i shoot alot of s&b and its labeled 2 3/4 but its really 3" works fine for me

gapatriot · « **Reply #4 on:** October 19, 2012, 02:41:22 AM »

my not so humble advice buy a shotty with a 3'' chamber hell really a 3 1/2'' that way you can untilize (sp) all shells. Not that you want to but in a bad situation you could. And we will give you a GREAT discount off our everyday low prices at www.homefront-defense.com

mountainredneck2051 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 19, 2012, 02:50:10 AM »

its an 870 its rated for 2 3/4 and 3"

gapatriot · « **Reply #6 on:** October 19, 2012, 03:05:21 AM »

Not a big shotgun guy but if its chambered for 3"ers and you having problems and its the same one you had all the problems with before............... Sell that sumbitch and buy a something else man. Im thinking of one whos name starts with a M and ends in 500. Actually I think there is a deal running right now on maybe 535 comes with a shot barrel and slug barrel at a great price. This is where I would put the web address but we dont have it on the site, its a special order item.

Reaver · « **Reply #7 on:** October 19, 2012, 04:49:21 AM »

Take a look at my gear review. "Sellior and belliot"
I'm guessing same exact issue Rio is not American made so specs may be slightly different. The S&B stuff was marked 3" but was actually 2 3/4 + 1/16 so at expansion at 3" it was actually 3 and 1/16th causing major issues with not only extraction but capacity as well.

Kentactic · « **Reply #8 on:** October 19, 2012, 10:09:10 AM »

Quote from: gapatriot on October 19, 2012, 02:41:22 AM

my not so humble advice buy a shotty with a 3'' chamber hell really a 3 1/2'' that way you can untilize (sp) all shells. Not that you want to but in a bad situation you could. And we will give you a GREAT discount off our everyday low prices at www.homefront-defense.com

870 has a 3" chamber

Kentactic · « **Reply #9 on:** October 19, 2012, 10:39:15 AM »

Quote from: gapatriot on October 19, 2012, 03:05:21 AM

Not a big shotgun guy but if its chambered for 3"ers and you having problems and its the same one you had all the problems with before............... Sell that sumbitch and buy a something else man. Im thinking of one whos name starts with a M and ends in 500. Actually I think there is a deal running right now on maybe 535 comes with a shot barrel and slug barrel at a great price. This is where I would put the web address but we dont have it on the site, its a special order item.

Ya... I cant go mossberg. Im spoiled by the ability to retain all magazine ammo while port loading lol. If i have any more issues not ammo or user related ill just get a police model 870 or something.

Kentactic · « **Reply #10 on:** October 19, 2012, 10:46:24 AM »

Quote from: Reaver on October 19, 2012, 04:49:21 AM

Take a look at my gear review sellior and belligerent review. I'm guessing same exact issue Rio is not American made so specs may be slightly different.

Ya the ammo being 3" shouldnt be an issue in a 3" gun though. Im not in love with rio ammo. more so i like the price. Im going to shoot a shit ton of winchester 00 buck on sunday and see what happens.

Kentactic · « **Reply #11 on:** October 19, 2012, 10:50:57 AM »

I know i make my 870 look like a pile of shit. But the thing about me you have to understand is i expect perfection in my weapons. If i have an issue i get pissed. I likely have few issues compared to many shotgun users as most issues with shotguns tend to be user error. But when i see a pattern of malfunctions i jump on it. I could likely have developed a short stroking problem... I say it all the time. The pump shotgun is the hardest weapon to master.

JohnyMac · « **Reply #12 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:36:48 AM »

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Kentactic wrote:
Im going to shoot a shit ton of winchester 00 buck on sunday and see what happens.

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That is what I would do. I bet ya' it is an ammo issue. I have an acquaintance who's 9mm wasn't cycling well-About every 3rd or 4th shot the brass would not eject.

I gave him a box of Federal I had laying around and the handgun settled right down.

Good luck!

1000meterstare · « **Reply #13 on:** October 19, 2012, 01:52:49 PM »

Holy bent brass Batman! Went to the range today, my ex-boss had a box of Rio 00buck. It gave his Remy 870 a fit. The offending shells in question had a spot (same place in all defective shells) where the brass was bent out at the lip where it meets the hull.

Reaver · « **Reply #14 on:** October 19, 2012, 09:21:18 PM »

What am I chop liver?

Kentactic · « **Reply #15 on:** October 19, 2012, 09:39:04 PM »

Quote from: Reaver on October 19, 2012, 09:21:18 PM

What am I chop liver?

why what happened?

Reaver · « **Reply #16 on:** October 19, 2012, 09:48:20 PM »

Did anyone read my post? Just seems like I got skipped.

Kentactic · « **Reply #17 on:** October 19, 2012, 09:52:13 PM »

Quote from: Reaver on October 19, 2012, 04:49:21 AM

Take a look at my gear review. "Sellior and belliot"
I'm guessing same exact issue Rio is not American made so specs may be slightly different. The S&B stuff was marked 3" but was actually 2 3/4 + 1/16 so at expansion at 3" it was actually 3 and 1/16th causing major issues with not only extraction but capacity as well.

Oh didnt see this for some reason.

The Rio shells are actually 3" straight up and then once fired im not sure i havent measured them yet. but they are a rolled crimp and damn that thing seems long overlapped down there.. for sure its 3.25" once fired maybe longer.

Reaver · « **Reply #18 on:** October 19, 2012, 10:34:48 PM »

That'll do it. Your exceeding the 3" chamber and its hitting the forward portion of your chamber and rolling it back into the chamber.

Like I said same thing happened with the S&B 3" mag.

Kentactic · « **Reply #19 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:20:43 PM »

Quote from: Reaver on October 19, 2012, 10:34:48 PM

That'll do it. Your exceeding the 3" chamber and its hitting the forward portion of your chamber and rolling it back into the chamber.

Like I said same thing happened with the S&B 3" mag.

yeah...sucks though... if the gun says it shoots 3" shells youd think it could also EJECT 3" shells lol

Reaver · « **Reply #20 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:33:01 PM »

Well, its an American made gun dude. It does shoot and eject 3" American shells.

The problem is. In other countries people use a different caliber which is close to 3" but is slightly bigger. ( length wise ) It still works in American 12 Gauge 3" shotguns. So why change the specs of building ammo when they can hit their countries needs and ours.

Reaver · « **Reply #21 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:39:38 PM »

And for the life of me I cannot find the link to that info that I just spewed.... maybe I read it in a book.

Kentactic · « **Reply #22 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:39:57 PM »

Quote from: Reaver on October 19, 2012, 11:33:01 PM

Well, its an American made gun dude. It does shoot and eject 3" American shells.

The problem is. In other countries people use a different caliber which is close to 3" but is slightly bigger. ( length wise ) It still works in American 12 Gauge 3" shotguns. So why change the specs of building ammo when they can hit their countries needs and ours.

LMAO... i just read this....then i remeasured the Rio Shell and it is 2.5'' COAL... so i guess if the standard 2.75 measuring actually at 2.25 ish would mean it is infact an American version of 3'' no? ... i think i was being an idiot or using the wrong side of the measuring stick or who knows... anyways COAL unfired on the RIO is 2.5" if it is fired maybe 2.75- no more then 3''.

But what youll find i think is that a fired RIO shell is much longer then the 870 port.

Kentactic · « **Reply #23 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:45:33 PM »

exactly 1/4 inch longer unfired.

Reaver · « **Reply #24 on:** October 19, 2012, 11:46:54 PM »

Well generally and I say generally because some companies are just off to do their own damn thing all the time.

But, when something says 2 3/4" or 3" that is measured after the fact. Meaning. It hits 2 3/4 or 3" after the crimp is unfolded. So if you measure it fired and its anywhere near that 3" mark. That's why, because even though the outside of the port is just larger than 3" the inside is what you have to worry about. The shell isn't clearing the chamber because the bolt can't go any further back.

Man, I have no idea how I know this or where I'm going with it, but in my head I'm making sense.

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