Unchained Preppers
General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: Mlee on September 14, 2011, 02:18:26 AM
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Check this beauty out for $399!! http://centerfiresystems.com/akagunssr85c-hc.aspx
Quality AK on a budget! It only needs a new stock and a pistol grip for better ergonomics. Not sure about the 922R BS but I am assuming it is because it comes with a 30 round mag. I have gone through center fire systems a few times and they are solid people! If you are looking for the 7.62 variety, look no further! [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
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oh man I wish I wasn't broke, I'd be all over this.
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I would buy it but I got burned by my state the last time I bought a firearm online due to them now charging taxes on it on top of the transfer fee!! Can't wait to move to a more gun friendly state! At least we don't have mag cap ban or kali style gun laws. Anyhow, if you are in need of a good business rifle, it is definitely worth saving for! [url=http://www.freesmileys.or
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I would buy it but I got burned by my state the last time I bought a firearm online due to them now charging taxes on it on top of the transfer fee!! Can't wait to move to a more gun friendly state! At least we don't have mag cap ban or kali style gun laws. Anyhow, if you are in need of a good business rifle, it is definitely worth saving for!
well I'm not exactly in need, but I wouldn't mind a good backup! (http://www.freesmileys.or
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I would buy it but I got burned by my state the last time I bought a firearm online due to them now charging taxes on it on top of the transfer fee!! Can't wait to move to a more gun friendly state! At least we don't have mag cap ban or kali style gun laws. Anyhow, if you are in need of a good business rifle, it is definitely worth saving for!
well I'm not exactly in need, but I wouldn't mind a good backup!
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Redundancy in preps (guns included) is always a good thing!
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They are great guns! The only problem is you have to do some slight gunsmithing if you wanna change the buttstock. Think draco with a tang. Can be done and a great deal!!
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They are great guns! The only problem is you have to do some slight gunsmithing if you wanna change the buttstock. Think draco with a tang. Can be done and a great deal!!
No gun smithing at all. You just remove a few screws from the stock and one on the inside and it will come off, ready for a new stock. If you can turn a flat head screw driver then you can replace the stock and grip. Very easy.
The draco on the other hand requires some gun smithing if you are to install a stock after going through the NFA motions. From what I have seen, the dracos use an underfolder type rear trunnion so it would require that you mill/drill and file out the holes for the under folding stock. There is no tang. For that, you would have to remove the rear trunnion and replace it with one that accepts fixed stocks or even one that is a side folder will work but will require a little more manipulation to function.
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They are great guns! The only problem is you have to do some slight gunsmithing if you wanna change the buttstock. Think draco with a tang. Can be done and a great deal!!
No gun smithing at all. You just remove a few screws from the stock and one on the inside and it will come off, ready for a new stock. If you can turn a flat head screw driver then you can replace the stock and grip. Very easy.
The draco on the other hand requires some gun smithing if you are to install a stock after going through the NFA motions. From what I have seen, the dracos use an underfolder type rear trunnion so it would require that you mill/drill and file out the holes for the under folding stock. There is no tang. For that, you would have to remove the rear trunnion and replace it with one that accepts fixed stocks or even one that is a side folder will work but will require a little more manipulation to function.
sorry but you are wrong dude. The bulgy's have flat back solid plate trunnions with a tang. just like the draco minus the tang. ive worked on one myself.
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Hello all, RON L here I have to agree with Buck naked, the majority of the Bulgarains I have seen and handled did not have the common steped stock design, they had the Milled steel type of stock with a shorter stub? I hope that sort of points out what I mean? I have a Maddi withthe Common China AK Type stepped stock design, the Bulgarains I have seen and seen recently imported had a complete different set up and 1 will not interchange! The stocks Both US and Foriegn are aalable but one has to know what one is ordering of get the wrong thing? All in all these are well made, at a good $ ad I would say a better value than many WASR's I've seen! Hope this Helps? PM me if you have additional questions or think I can help more?
RON
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With the limited information about the build on the page, I would pass on this unless I could get more info.
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They are great guns! The only problem is you have to do some slight gunsmithing if you wanna change the buttstock. Think draco with a tang. Can be done and a great deal!!
No gun smithing at all. You just remove a few screws from the stock and one on the inside and it will come off, ready for a new stock. If you can turn a flat head screw driver then you can replace the stock and grip. Very easy.
The draco on the other hand requires some gun smithing if you are to install a stock after going through the NFA motions. From what I have seen, the dracos use an underfolder type rear trunnion so it would require that you mill/drill and file out the holes for the under folding stock. There is no tang. For that, you would have to remove the rear trunnion and replace
it with one that accepts fixed stocks or even one that is a side folder will work but will require a little more manipulation to function.
sorry but you are wrong dude. The bulgy's have flat back solid plate trunnions with a tang. just like the draco minus the tang. ive worked on one myself.
Under further investigation, it appears that I am indeed incorrect. You do need to remove and replace the rear trunnion in order to utilize standard fixed stocks or cut out the plate. From the builds I have done and the limited photos I could find on the HI-CAP Bulgarian AK, it appeared that a fixed stock would work. Thanks for correcting me. Now I know.
http://youtu.be/f-8GNoI49SY
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With the limited information about the build on the page, I would pass on this unless I could get more info.
This is the info I found on it:
Original Bulgarian 1.5mm thick Stamped Receiver
Chrome-lined Barrel
ATI Fiber Force Buttstock
Tactical Forearm with Picatinny Rail
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With the limited information about the build on the page, I would pass on this unless I could get more info.
This is the info I found on it:
Original Bulgarian 1.5mm thick Stamped Receiver
Chrome-lined Barrel
ATI Fiber Force Buttstock
Tactical Forearm with Picatinny Rail
Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Not enough information.
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With the limited information about the build on the page, I would pass on this unless I could get more info.
This is the info I found on it:
Original Bulgarian 1.5mm thick Stamped Receiver
Chrome-lined Barrel
ATI Fiber Force Buttstock
Tactical Forearm with Picatinny Rail
Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Not enough information.
What more do you want to know? Perhaps I can find it.
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With the limited information about the build on the page, I would pass on this unless I could get more info.
This is the info I found on it:
Original Bulgarian 1.5mm thick Stamped Receiver
Chrome-lined Barrel
ATI Fiber Force Buttstock
Tactical Forearm with Picatinny Rail
Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Not enough information.
What more do you want to know? Perhaps I can find it.
What is the make of the receiver? What is the make of the barrel?
and, most importantly, who assembled them?
I'm also going to assume it's not 922r compliant because it doesn't have a pistol grip.
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Hello all, RON L here
Thanks Mlee, for great input, it's another wonderfull AK option and very Much apprecited, a Bit more research and all to make it viable and 922R Compliant, not without a good chance ot working!
RON
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Question, can you make that into an under folder? I thought or had seen something on the net of drilling out the holes and putting the parts on.
I would like to have an under folder.
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Question, can you make that into an under folder? I thought or had seen something on the net of drilling out the holes and putting the parts on.
I would like to have an under folder.
Not without changing the entire rear trunnion
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Question, can you make that into an under folder? I thought or had seen something on the net of drilling out the holes and putting the parts on.
I would like to have an under folder.
Yes, you definitely can. You will have to remove the rear trunnion and replace it with either a Romanian or Polish rear under folder trunnion depending on on the origin of the stock set. The Polish and Romanian are the most commonly available from what I have come across. You will have to drill a few holes and do some filing (unless you have a milling machine) to accommodate the new trunnion. You will also need a couple rivets to mount the trunnion.
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Damn, any of you guys wanna adopt me? I want me an AK :))
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Ok, just got off the phone with Centerfire and asked them some very specific questions about the build. The lady on the phone was very nice and cooperative.
US compliance parts include:
FCG (3 parts--though I forgot to ask about the make *doh*)
Gas piston
Slant brake
Buttstock
So that's the requisite 6 parts. However, if you want to put a regular buttstock and pistol grip on it at least one of them is going to have to be US-made to stay in compliance and be a legal so-called 'high capacity' gun.
The receivers are 1.5mm thick (as opposed to the 1mm Rommy guns) so expect some fitting and filing when installing a standard AKM buttstock. They are imported by TGI originally as a low-capacity gun. Here's the link to what these start out as:
http://centerfiresystems.com/akagunssr85c-01.aspx
The magwells are opened-up here stateside. Who did the work was not disclosed but since TGI imports them, does AK work, and is only a state away I'd hazard a guess and say maybe they do the work.
The compliance gas piston is apparently correctly pinned in place and not welded (like those drunken monkeys do at Century). The best part, IMO, is that the barrels are brand-spankin-new Bulgarian ones.
So yes, it is a great deal.
Yes, you definitely can. You will have to remove the rear trunnion and replace it with either a Romanian or Polish rear under folder trunnion depending on on the origin of the stock set. The Polish and Romanian are the most commonly available from what I have come across. You will have to drill a few holes and do some filing (unless you have a milling machine) to accommodate the new trunnion. You will also need a couple rivets to mount the trunnion.
It's major surgery. Saying, 'drill a few holes and do some filing', while accurate, gives the impression it's far easier than it is. Yes, it is relatively simple for someone who is both experienced and has proper tooling but it's no cake walk for the average end-user.
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Ok, just got off the phone with Centerfire and asked them some very specific questions about the build. The lady on the phone was very nice and cooperative.
US compliance parts include:
FCG (3 parts--though I forgot to ask about the make *doh*)
Gas piston
Slant brake
Buttstock
So that's the requisite 6 parts. However, if you want to put a regular buttstock and pistol grip on it at least one of them is going to have to be US-made to stay in compliance and be a legal so-called 'high capacity' gun.
The receivers are 1.5mm thick (as opposed to the 1mm Rommy guns) so expect some fitting and filing when installing a standard AKM buttstock. They are imported by TGI originally as a low-capacity gun. Here's the link to what these start out as:
[url]http://centerfiresystems.com/akagunssr85c-01.aspx[/url]
The magwells are opened-up here stateside. Who did the work was not disclosed but since TGI imports them, does AK work, and is only a state away I'd hazard a guess and say maybe they do the work.
The compliance gas piston is apparently correctly pinned in place and not welded (like those drunken monkeys do at Century). The best part, IMO, is that the barrels are brand-spankin-new Bulgarian ones.
So yes, it is a great deal.
Yes, you definitely can. You will have to remove the rear trunnion and replace it with either a Romanian or Polish rear under folder trunnion depending on on the origin of the stock set. The Polish and Romanian are the most commonly available from what I have come across. You will have to drill a few holes and do some filing (unless you have a milling machine) to accommodate the new trunnion. You will also need a couple rivets to mount the trunnion.
It's major surgery. Saying, 'drill a few holes and do some filing', while accurate, gives the impression it's far easier than it is. Yes, it is relatively simple for someone who is both experienced and has proper tooling but it's no cake walk for the average end-user.
Thanks for the greater insight of the rifle specs. I am not trying to give the impression that performing this modification will be easy for everyone but it is not very complicated if you are mechanically inclined. I have done part kit builds (Romi underfolder included) and saiga conversions, so I understand what it will take to mod this rifle for a standard stock or under folder configuration. This rifle is far better than any wasr and it has the mag well dimples to boot. This is far easier to mod than a Saiga sporter. Best of luck to those who undertake this task. Feel free to contact me or other knowledgeable forum members for advice and help.
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Thanks for the greater insight of the rifle specs. I am not trying to give the impression that performing this modification will be easy for everyone but it is not very complicated if you are mechanically inclined. I have done part kit builds (Romi underfolder included) and saiga conversions, so I understand what it will take to mod this rifle for a standard stock or under folder configuration. This rifle is far better than any wasr and it has the mag well dimples to boot. This is far easier to mod than a Saiga sporter. Best of luck to those who undertake this task. Feel free to contact me or other knowledgeable forum members for advice and help.
I've done several builds, trunnion changes and Saiga conversions myself and I have the opposite view, haha. I've converted Saiga's with a cordless drill and a dremel tool (including fabricating a bullet guide) while sitting on a futon (I think this is one of the reasons why I'm now divorced :)) ). I have found taking out the old trunnion, tigging the old holes shut, re-angling the receiver to accept the new trunnion, drilling those out and then re-riveting to be far more difficult and time consuming if you want it to be clean. These receivers are thicker too, which means more fitting is going to be required.
But, all this means is that we're both better at something than the other.
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So can anyone tell me whats wrong with the current stock on this AK????
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So can anyone tell me whats wrong with the current stock on this AK????
It's not mall ninja enough?
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If you do get this you can find U.S. made stock sets and just change them out. I think you can do the six postion stocks as well. The pistil grip should be easy to find U.S. made from Tapco as well as the stocks.
If you want wood there are a few places that make them. I think Iron wood is one but really high.
The big thing here is if you start to mod the gun and look to make it a regular AK why not just save a few extra bucks and get it already done and ready to go, unless you like to tinker.
I changed an L1A1 stock set that had the thumb hole stock (Century Arms Ban Model) and changed the stock and grip out myself and had my parts count.
I own a WASR-10 Hi cap and I have had no problems with it and I have put all kinds of ammo through it, even what was said on boards that it wouldn't eat mine ate it like a champ.
If you start to say something about mag wobble I have found enough mags for mine that fit and don't have or add to the wobble and really the wobble didn't bother me.
I know guys want the ones with a dimple but if she is not blond, brunette or a red head I dint care about the dimples just as long as she does the job and does it well.
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The big thing here is if you start to mod the gun and look to make it a regular AK why not just save a few extra bucks and get it already done and ready to go, unless you like to tinker.
I can't find any equivalent rifle for anywhere near the price. 'Tinker'? If it takes more than 20 minutes to change a stock, you're doing it wrong.
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Update: It appears these rifles have a goofy rear trunnion (ala' Draco) so some additional work may be needed to fit a regular AK stock. I'm now curious if it's flat-back or angled. If it's flat, drilling and tapping for an ACE isn't a problem.
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I think the best thing to do on this one and in this case is to buy what you want and dont worry about changing parts outs. I think you will be up to the price of one done already or over it.
If this was an AR and the price was a lot different I would say build one dont buy off the rack.
I really think when it comes to AKs they are not meant to look pretty they are meant to get the job done and any and all will do that.
What was the differnce in price again like 60 bucks or a little more.
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I really think when it comes to AKs they are not meant to look pretty they are meant to get the job done and any and all will do that.
I think you and I have very different experiences in regards to AK's. Their reliability is as large of a myth as their inaccuracy.
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I really think when it comes to AKs they are not meant to look pretty they are meant to get the job done and any and all will do that.
I think you and I have very different experiences in regards to AK's. Their reliability is as large of a myth as their inaccuracy.
I think like with Dodges, it must be the luck of the draw. ( Apologizing now to you Dodge fans, stay away from the smite button.) My wife and I have a Black Widow and a WASR 10, both with a couple of thousand rounds through them. We've never had a single issue or failure to fire. What I would really never want to happen is like one video where a soldier was firing an AK and the cover blew off.
Edit: The way it was explained to me the back of the cover is actually struck each time the rifle cycles. If it's not attached right it can fly off possibly striking you in the face. They make a neoprene insert to go behind the spring which stops the back of the cover from being struck. It also quiets the action just a smidgen.
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I think like with Dodges, it must be the luck of the draw. ( Apologizing now to you Dodge fans, stay away from the smite button.) My wife and I have a Black Widow and a WASR 10, both with a couple of thousand rounds through them. We've never had a single issue or failure to fire. What I would really never want to happen is like one video where a soldier was firing an AK and the cover blew off.
It's all about how many you're exposed to and in what condition they are I think. I have seen just as many AK failures that I have among M16's. Actually, if we're talking catastrophic failures I know I've seen more with select-AK's than M16's (I've personally broken two AK's in combat and many many more in training). Like your story, there are probably twice as many stories about, 'my cast Olympic AR has been perfect for thousands of rounds!'. This statement is usually followed by, 'it works for me'.
I cannot tell you the number of people who have said, 'XYZ never happened to me before at home!?' when they had failures at a course. My response is usually, 'how often have you fired 800 rounds in a day at home?' and that usually ends the argument.
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I really think when it comes to AKs they are not meant to look pretty they are meant to get the job done and any and all will do that.
I think you and I have very different experiences in regards to AK's. Their reliability is as large of a myth as their inaccuracy.
Tell me some about your experinces with the AK's? I have never been in battle or had to pick one up off the battle field that was mucked up to fire it at someone. I have just heard stories. To me they dont have to look pretty and blinged out like the AR guys like to do. I like my guns to perform and do the job and don't care if they look nice or not.
I would also check pawn shops out never know what might show up.
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Okay you just answerd my question and you have had real world expernce with the AKs. I think just save a little and get what you want and not one that would need to be converted.
Thank you for your service.
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The way I feel about it is that if it's a lemon, be it AK, AR, Dodge, or anything else I'm going to get rid of it. The only way you begin or build trust in your weapon, vehicle, woman or anything else is through consistent use. If it's not being consistently used and a person trusts it anyway I think they are making a huge mistake.
I think that applies to any gear you have. I've got a buddy who has an LBV all set up that I suspect has never made it out of the closet. (I've never seen him wear it.) How does he know for sure that the vest or the way he has it set up is going to actually work for him? In my opinion he doesn't. But he's bragged on it a couple of times anyway.
He's also got a pair of black combat boots that are as new as the day he got them. I think he's asking for trouble.