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Real Bulgarian AKs at WASR 10 prices!
« on: September 14, 2011, 02:18:26 AM »
Check this beauty out for $399!! http://centerfiresystems.com/akagunssr85c-hc.aspx

Quality AK on a budget! It only needs a new stock and a pistol grip for better ergonomics. Not sure about the 922R BS but I am assuming it is because it comes with a 30 round mag. I have gone through center fire systems a few times and they are solid people! If you are looking for the 7.62 variety, look no further!  [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
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Re: Real Bulgarian AKs at WASR 10 prices!
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2011, 02:37:57 AM »
oh man I wish I wasn't broke, I'd be all over this.
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Re: Real Bulgarian AKs at WASR 10 prices!
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2011, 02:47:00 AM »
I would buy it but I got burned by my state the last time I bought a firearm online due to them now charging taxes on it on top of the transfer fee!! Can't wait to move to a more gun friendly state! At least we don't have mag cap ban or kali style gun laws. Anyhow, if you are in need of a good business rifle, it is definitely worth saving for! [url=http://www.freesmileys.or
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Re: Real Bulgarian AKs at WASR 10 prices!
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2011, 02:49:27 AM »
I would buy it but I got burned by my state the last time I bought a firearm online due to them now charging taxes on it on top of the transfer fee!! Can't wait to move to a more gun friendly state! At least we don't have mag cap ban or kali style gun laws. Anyhow, if you are in need of a good business rifle, it is definitely worth saving for!

well I'm not exactly in need, but I wouldn't mind a good backup!
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Re: Real Bulgarian AKs at WASR 10 prices!
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2011, 03:04:37 AM »
I would buy it but I got burned by my state the last time I bought a firearm online due to them now charging taxes on it on top of the transfer fee!! Can't wait to move to a more gun friendly state! At least we don't have mag cap ban or kali style gun laws. Anyhow, if you are in need of a good business rifle, it is definitely worth saving for!

well I'm not exactly in need, but I wouldn't mind a good backup!


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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2011, 03:49:24 AM »
They are great guns! The only problem is you have to do some slight gunsmithing if you wanna change the buttstock. Think draco with a tang. Can be done and a great deal!!

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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2011, 04:50:12 AM »
They are great guns! The only problem is you have to do some slight gunsmithing if you wanna change the buttstock. Think draco with a tang. Can be done and a great deal!!

No gun smithing at all. You just remove a few screws from the stock and one on the inside and it will come off, ready for a new stock. If you can turn a flat head screw driver then you can replace the stock and grip. Very easy.

The draco on the other hand requires some gun smithing if you are to install a stock after going through the NFA motions. From what I have seen, the dracos use an underfolder type rear trunnion so it would require that you mill/drill and file out the holes for the under folding stock. There is no tang. For that, you would have to remove the rear trunnion and replace it with one that accepts fixed stocks or even one that is a side folder will work but will require a little more manipulation to function.
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2011, 08:47:26 AM »
They are great guns! The only problem is you have to do some slight gunsmithing if you wanna change the buttstock. Think draco with a tang. Can be done and a great deal!!

No gun smithing at all. You just remove a few screws from the stock and one on the inside and it will come off, ready for a new stock. If you can turn a flat head screw driver then you can replace the stock and grip. Very easy.

The draco on the other hand requires some gun smithing if you are to install a stock after going through the NFA motions. From what I have seen, the dracos use an underfolder type rear trunnion so it would require that you mill/drill and file out the holes for the under folding stock. There is no tang. For that, you would have to remove the rear trunnion and replace it with one that accepts fixed stocks or even one that is a side folder will work but will require a little more manipulation to function.


sorry but you are wrong dude. The bulgy's have flat back solid plate trunnions with a tang. just like the draco minus the tang. ive worked on one myself.   

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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2011, 11:05:38 AM »
Hello all, RON L here    I have to agree with Buck naked, the majority of the Bulgarains I have seen and handled did not have the common steped stock design, they had the Milled steel type of stock with a shorter stub? I hope that sort of points out what I mean? I have a Maddi withthe Common China AK Type stepped stock design, the Bulgarains I have seen and seen recently imported had a complete different set up and 1 will not interchange! The stocks Both US and Foriegn are aalable but one has to know what one is ordering of get the wrong thing? All in all these are well made, at a good $ ad I would say a better value than many WASR's I've seen! Hope this Helps? PM me if you have additional questions or think I can help more?

RON

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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2011, 11:37:03 AM »
With the limited information about the build on the page, I would pass on this unless I could get more info.

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Re: Real Bulgarian AKs at WASR 10 prices!
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2011, 12:12:10 PM »
They are great guns! The only problem is you have to do some slight gunsmithing if you wanna change the buttstock. Think draco with a tang. Can be done and a great deal!!


No gun smithing at all. You just remove a few screws from the stock and one on the inside and it will come off, ready for a new stock. If you can turn a flat head screw driver then you can replace the stock and grip. Very easy.

The draco on the other hand requires some gun smithing if you are to install a stock after going through the NFA motions. From what I have seen, the dracos use an underfolder type rear trunnion so it would require that you mill/drill and file out the holes for the under folding stock. There is no tang. For that, you would have to remove the rear trunnion and replace

it with one that accepts fixed stocks or even one that is a side folder will work but will require a little more manipulation to function.




sorry but you are wrong dude. The bulgy's have flat back solid plate trunnions with a tang. just like the draco minus the tang. ive worked on one myself.   




Under further investigation, it appears that I am indeed incorrect. You do need to remove and replace the rear trunnion in order to utilize standard fixed stocks or cut out the plate. From the builds I have done and the limited photos I could find on the HI-CAP Bulgarian AK, it appeared that a fixed stock would work. Thanks for correcting me. Now I know.



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Re: Real Bulgarian AKs at WASR 10 prices!
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2011, 12:17:49 PM »
With the limited information about the build on the page, I would pass on this unless I could get more info.

This is the info I found on it:

Original Bulgarian 1.5mm thick Stamped Receiver
Chrome-lined Barrel
ATI Fiber Force Buttstock       
 Tactical Forearm with Picatinny Rail

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2011, 12:37:13 PM »
With the limited information about the build on the page, I would pass on this unless I could get more info.

This is the info I found on it:

Original Bulgarian 1.5mm thick Stamped Receiver
Chrome-lined Barrel
ATI Fiber Force Buttstock       
 Tactical Forearm with Picatinny Rail

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Not enough information.

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Re: Real Bulgarian AKs at WASR 10 prices!
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2011, 12:58:32 PM »
With the limited information about the build on the page, I would pass on this unless I could get more info.

This is the info I found on it:

Original Bulgarian 1.5mm thick Stamped Receiver
Chrome-lined Barrel
ATI Fiber Force Buttstock       
 Tactical Forearm with Picatinny Rail

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Not enough information.

What more do you want to know? Perhaps I can find it.
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2011, 01:23:27 PM »
With the limited information about the build on the page, I would pass on this unless I could get more info.

This is the info I found on it:

Original Bulgarian 1.5mm thick Stamped Receiver
Chrome-lined Barrel
ATI Fiber Force Buttstock       
 Tactical Forearm with Picatinny Rail

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Not enough information.

What more do you want to know? Perhaps I can find it.

What is the make of the receiver? What is the make of the barrel?

and, most importantly, who assembled them?

I'm also going to assume it's not 922r compliant because it doesn't have a pistol grip.

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All good considerations and not without more research needed?
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2011, 11:33:59 AM »
Hello all, RON L here


  Thanks Mlee, for great input, it's another wonderfull AK option and very Much apprecited, a Bit more research and all to make it viable and 922R Compliant, not without a good chance ot working!

RON

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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2011, 12:42:53 PM »
Question, can you make that into an under folder? I thought or had seen something on the net of drilling out the holes and putting the parts on.

I would like to have an under folder.

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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2011, 12:53:01 PM »
Question, can you make that into an under folder? I thought or had seen something on the net of drilling out the holes and putting the parts on.

I would like to have an under folder.

Not without changing the entire rear trunnion

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2011, 01:00:45 PM »
Question, can you make that into an under folder? I thought or had seen something on the net of drilling out the holes and putting the parts on.

I would like to have an under folder.

Yes, you definitely can. You will have to remove the rear trunnion and replace it with either a Romanian or Polish rear under folder trunnion depending on on the origin of the stock set. The Polish and Romanian are the most commonly available from what I have come across.  You will have to drill a few holes and do some filing (unless you have a milling machine) to accommodate the new trunnion. You will also need a couple rivets to mount the trunnion. 
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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2011, 01:38:35 PM »
Damn, any of you guys wanna adopt me? I want me an AK :))

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« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2011, 04:36:30 PM »
Ok, just got off the phone with Centerfire and asked them some very specific questions about the build. The lady on the phone was very nice and cooperative.

US compliance parts include:
FCG (3 parts--though I forgot to ask about the make *doh*)
Gas piston
Slant brake
Buttstock


So that's the requisite 6 parts. However, if you want to put a regular buttstock and pistol grip on it at least one of them is going to have to be US-made to stay in compliance and be a legal so-called 'high capacity' gun.

The receivers are 1.5mm thick (as opposed to the 1mm Rommy guns) so expect some fitting and filing when installing a standard AKM buttstock. They are imported by TGI originally as a low-capacity gun. Here's the link to what these start out as:
http://centerfiresystems.com/akagunssr85c-01.aspx

The magwells are opened-up here stateside. Who did the work was not disclosed but since TGI imports them, does AK work, and is only a state away I'd hazard a guess and say maybe they do the work.

The compliance gas piston is apparently correctly pinned in place and not welded (like those drunken monkeys do at Century). The best part, IMO, is that the barrels are brand-spankin-new Bulgarian ones.

So yes, it is a great deal.

Yes, you definitely can. You will have to remove the rear trunnion and replace it with either a Romanian or Polish rear under folder trunnion depending on on the origin of the stock set. The Polish and Romanian are the most commonly available from what I have come across.  You will have to drill a few holes and do some filing (unless you have a milling machine) to accommodate the new trunnion. You will also need a couple rivets to mount the trunnion.


It's major surgery. Saying, 'drill a few holes and do some filing', while accurate, gives the impression it's far easier than it is. Yes, it is relatively simple for someone who is both experienced and has proper tooling but it's no cake walk for the average end-user.

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Re: Real Bulgarian AKs at WASR 10 prices!
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2011, 04:47:47 PM »
Ok, just got off the phone with Centerfire and asked them some very specific questions about the build. The lady on the phone was very nice and cooperative.

US compliance parts include:
FCG (3 parts--though I forgot to ask about the make *doh*)
Gas piston
Slant brake
Buttstock


So that's the requisite 6 parts. However, if you want to put a regular buttstock and pistol grip on it at least one of them is going to have to be US-made to stay in compliance and be a legal so-called 'high capacity' gun.

The receivers are 1.5mm thick (as opposed to the 1mm Rommy guns) so expect some fitting and filing when installing a standard AKM buttstock. They are imported by TGI originally as a low-capacity gun. Here's the link to what these start out as:
http://centerfiresystems.com/akagunssr85c-01.aspx

The magwells are opened-up here stateside. Who did the work was not disclosed but since TGI imports them, does AK work, and is only a state away I'd hazard a guess and say maybe they do the work.

The compliance gas piston is apparently correctly pinned in place and not welded (like those drunken monkeys do at Century). The best part, IMO, is that the barrels are brand-spankin-new Bulgarian ones.

So yes, it is a great deal.

Yes, you definitely can. You will have to remove the rear trunnion and replace it with either a Romanian or Polish rear under folder trunnion depending on on the origin of the stock set. The Polish and Romanian are the most commonly available from what I have come across.  You will have to drill a few holes and do some filing (unless you have a milling machine) to accommodate the new trunnion. You will also need a couple rivets to mount the trunnion.


It's major surgery. Saying, 'drill a few holes and do some filing', while accurate, gives the impression it's far easier than it is. Yes, it is relatively simple for someone who is both experienced and has proper tooling but it's no cake walk for the average end-user.

Thanks for the greater insight of the rifle specs. I am not trying to give the impression that performing this modification will be easy for everyone but it is not very complicated if you are mechanically inclined. I have done part kit builds (Romi underfolder included) and saiga conversions, so I understand what it will take to mod this rifle for a standard stock or under folder configuration. This rifle is far better than any wasr and it has the mag well dimples to boot. This is far easier to mod than a Saiga sporter. Best of luck to those who undertake this task. Feel free to contact me or other knowledgeable forum members for advice and help.
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2011, 04:54:39 PM »
Thanks for the greater insight of the rifle specs. I am not trying to give the impression that performing this modification will be easy for everyone but it is not very complicated if you are mechanically inclined. I have done part kit builds (Romi underfolder included) and saiga conversions, so I understand what it will take to mod this rifle for a standard stock or under folder configuration. This rifle is far better than any wasr and it has the mag well dimples to boot. This is far easier to mod than a Saiga sporter. Best of luck to those who undertake this task. Feel free to contact me or other knowledgeable forum members for advice and help.

I've done several builds, trunnion changes and Saiga conversions myself and I have the opposite view, haha. I've converted Saiga's with a cordless drill and a dremel tool (including fabricating a bullet guide) while sitting on a futon (I think this is one of the reasons why I'm now divorced  :)) ). I have found taking out the old trunnion, tigging the old holes shut, re-angling the receiver to accept the new trunnion, drilling those out and then re-riveting to be far more difficult and time consuming if you want it to be clean. These receivers are thicker too, which means more fitting is going to be required. 

But, all this means is that we're both better at something than the other.

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2011, 05:33:00 PM »
So can anyone tell me whats wrong with the current stock on this AK????
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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2011, 05:52:23 PM »
So can anyone tell me whats wrong with the current stock on this AK????


It's not mall ninja enough?