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NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« on: October 04, 2015, 08:37:25 PM »

As many as 100,000 U.S. Army 1911s could be transferred to the CMP. (Photo: NRA)
 
An add-on to the 2016 National Defense Authorization Act coming up in the Senate includes a plan to transfer the U.S. Army’s remaining stock of .45 ACP 1911A1 pistols to the Civilian Marksmanship Program.
 
Setting spending policy for $612 billion in funds for the Department of Defense, the “must-pass” bill pushed through the House on Thursday in a 270-156 vote and is expected to be taken up for a final roll call in the Senate this week, where an earlier version passed 71-25 in June, then it’s on to President Obama’s desk.
 
Introduced in April, the NDAA has seen a varied 621 amendments tacked on, including everything from prohibiting the listing of the Lesser Prairie Chicken as a threatened or endangered species until 2021, to providing post-traumatic stress disorder training to military and security forces of the Government of Ukraine, to allowing troops to carry personal firearms while on base.
 
One of those myriad of amendments is one by Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala., that could see potentially the largest remaining stock of military surplus World War II-era handguns in government hands sold to the public through the CMP, a federally chartered non-profit corporation tasked with promoting firearms safety training and rifle practice.
 
“We worked long and hard on this crucial piece of legislation,” Rogers said in a statement Thursday. “I am proud it passed the House with my strong support and am pleased our military is funded to help keep our nation safe. I am very pleased with the CMP amendment and the inclusion of the language to take care of the Depot. I hope the Senate will quickly pass this legislation so it can go to President Obama to be signed into law.”
 
The military currently stores 100,000 Model 1911 .45ACP handguns that are surplus to the Army’s needs. The guns, remnants of more than two million produced for the Army between 1912 and 1945, were withdrawn from service in the 1980s but cannot, by law, be cleared for disposal.
 
The amendment would authorize the CMP, currently just limited to selling .30 and .22-caliber rifles, to receive and sell any surplus military firearm. It would not cover any surplus 1911s held by other branches such as the Navy and Air Force, or those that may linger in federal law enforcement service.
 
The Army guns are stored at the Anniston Army Depot, in a district which Rogers represents and is coincidentally co-located to the CMP’s regional warehouse and store, which would minimize the logistics of a transfer.
 
However, an Army whitepaper released in May, prompted by the Department of Justice,  questions the plan to pass the unwanted guns to taxpayers while casting doubts on expanding the CMP’s current mission to allow it to sell surplus handguns overall. While the program sold them in the 1960s, it has not done so since breaking away from the Army itself in the 1990s.
 
“There is a significant risk of approximately 100K semiautomatic handguns that are virtually untraceable, being released into commerce,” the paper reads. “Per DOJ, M1911 pistols are popular crime guns. Over the last 10 years, they traced an average of 1,768 M1911 pistols with a significant percentage (percentage not provided) ultimately identified as surplus U.S. military firearms.”
 
The CMP is optimistic the measure will earn presidential signature, but warns the process to get the guns offered to the public will not occur overnight.
 
“If signed, we will meet with the Army to develop procedures,” wrote CMP Chief Operating Officer Mark Johnson in a statement sent to Guns.com Friday. “All of this will take time. We have no further information. When information becomes available we will communicate with our customers.”
 
Gun collectors are cautiously hopeful the vintage historical firearms will be released to the public.
 
“The guns would be prized collectibles and much less likely to be misused than the vast majority of firearms on the market today (legal or otherwise),” Bruce N. Canfield, a noted firearms historian and author of numerous books on post-Civil War weaponry, told Guns.com. “Let’s hope the politicians use common sense for a change and not cave in to political expediency or pressure from opponents of the Second Amendment.”
 
Rocky waters ahead
 
As for the NDAA itself, the president has promised a veto if it reaches his desk in its current form, largely due to its provision for $90 billion in special war funds to allow the Pentagon to avoid mandatory “sequestration” budget cuts.
 
“That’s an irresponsible way to fund our national defense priorities,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Wednesday. “If the president got this bill, he’d veto it.”
 
This could set up an election year showdown with a lame duck Democratic president against a GOP-controlled Congress
 
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, had harsh words for the veto threat of legislation that only sets policy, not authorizes funds.
 
“The White House’s announcement that President Obama will veto the National Defense Authorization Act is shameful. The NDAA is a policy bill,” said McCain in a statement. “If the president vetoes the NDAA, at this time of mounting global threats, he will be prioritizing politics and process over the security of our nation and the well-being of our Armed Forces.”

OK how do I get one? I remember when the M1's were sold you had to be a member of a rifle team.




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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2015, 08:47:40 PM »
Im gonna try like all hail to get one.    :dance: :dancingBanana:  Imgonnagetone  :dancingBanana: :dance:   :dancingBanana::dance: Imgonnagetone :dancingBanana:

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2015, 11:58:25 PM »
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OK how do I get one? I remember when the M1's were sold you had to be a member of a rifle team.

You have to send them proof that you are a U.S. citizen and proof of age (copy of birth certificateprooves both of these).

If you are under 60 you need proof of involvement in a firearm related training. Current or prior military service, carry permit, law enforcement, hunter safety, etc.

And lastly proof that you are in one of their approved clubs. For example the Garand Collectors Association is just a $5 fee I think..

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2015, 05:26:50 PM »
Last I heard on this, the NDAA with the 1911a1 successfully passed the house and senate but was vetoed by Obama for other reasons. There is still a good chance of this happening.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2015, 11:45:51 AM »
They could melt them down and make a lot of Glock slides.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2015, 12:04:48 PM »
They could melt them down and make a lot of Glock slides.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2015, 12:07:07 PM »
The 2015 NDAA is back on the President's desk. We could get the news in hours or days.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2015, 09:16:39 PM »
They could melt them down and make a lot of Glock slides.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2015, 05:52:01 PM »
They could melt them down and make a lot of Glock slides.

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that'd be like melting down a rolls royce phantom to make new Hondas.
Hondas are far more practical, effective and affordable. :)

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2015, 05:52:28 PM »
They could melt them down and make a lot of Glock slides.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2015, 08:30:48 PM »
I'm on Tapatalk so I can't see it.

Made it simple, so you should be able to see it.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2015, 09:11:06 PM »
I'm on Tapatalk so I can't see it.

Made it simple, so you should be able to see it.

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Ah I see.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2015, 08:41:07 PM »
And with that I suspect you agree deep inside.  Likely not admit it but . . ..

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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2015, 10:46:48 PM »
And with that I suspect you agree deep inside.  Likely not admit it but . . ..

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Your claim of a god is unsupported, equality and perfection don't exist and value is subjective so plastic is both junk and the best material ever, depending on who you ask.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2015, 12:35:47 AM »
Insensitivity and avoidance.  God is there and made man-- bible says so.  You dont agree or shoot me down your religiously insensitive.

Sam Colt gave him equality by being able to have the smaller folks not be bullied by the physically larger.  You going to bully me into agreeing with your or just be insensitive and discriminatory by not recognizing my religious beliefs?

JMB gave man perfection in the design and operation of firearms in the 1911 and Hi Power.  Or do you not believe in 2A and demand we all submit to govt domination and surrender our firearms.

GG gave plastic junk.  Hey, they are plastic and junk.  Nuff said.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2015, 07:55:52 PM »
Insensitivity and avoidance.  God is there and made man-- bible says so.  You dont agree or shoot me down your religiously insensitive.

Sam Colt gave him equality by being able to have the smaller folks not be bullied by the physically larger.  You going to bully me into agreeing with your or just be insensitive and discriminatory by not recognizing my religious beliefs?

JMB gave man perfection in the design and operation of firearms in the 1911 and Hi Power.  Or do you not believe in 2A and demand we all submit to govt domination and surrender our firearms.

GG gave plastic junk.  Hey, they are plastic and junk.  Nuff said.

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The bible is just you quoting other people making claims from a couple thousand years ago. It's no different than me quoting a guy I met at the coffee shop as saying "there is no God". This is not evidence.

I hope you're kidding when you state that I'm insensitive if I don't agree with your unsupported argument. I sense possible sarcasm based on how silly it is but I'm not certain.

I think I went too deep for you on the "there is no true equality or perfection". I'm use to debating with Philosopher types. Any view of equality or perfection are abstract as no two things can be identical and perfection again is in the eye of the beholder and can't exist objectively outside of it.


Edit: Lol OK I re read your comment and it's definitely sarcasm. Call me Buzzkillington.


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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2015, 09:31:49 PM »
Guns are tools nothing more, both send a piece of metal at an aimed target, the glock goes bang more times than the 1911. Glock is better.
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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2015, 12:12:19 AM »
But you are forgetting that during World War 2 Colt gunsmiths infused into the steel of their 1911s the element known as Americanium, a magical element that enhances the fighting powers of ordinary soldiers. Unfortunately these secrets became lost to history. Modern pistol smiths can only imitate the legendary 1911s of yore.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2015, 12:24:18 AM »
And it cannot be infused into a piece of plastic fantastic junk.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2015, 01:51:34 AM »
But you are forgetting that during World War 2 Colt gunsmiths infused into the steel of their 1911s the element known as Americanium, a magical element that enhances the fighting powers of ordinary soldiers. Unfortunately these secrets became lost to history. Modern pistol smiths can only imitate the legendary 1911s of yore.
I think you mean "Nationalism". It's a very common junk element that the majority of humans naturally possess. It is believed to be magical by unintelligent humans. They believe that the power of this element is derived from it's source known as government. These humans maybe spotted supporting and even defending government scriptures such as the US Constitution. In rare cases they may even attempt to argue for such an element openly against far superior logical opponents. 

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2015, 10:18:49 AM »
Nationalism is available to most and is generally absorbed by those who cannot realize there is a difference between Nationalism and Americanium.  They are related but are not the same.   Nationalism is a deep felt belief that their nation is the best there is and should be admired and mirrored by all others.  It does not really consider the circumstances of how that nation operates or what level of control is exerted on the citizens by the governing organizations. 

Americanium is a magical element that it truly magical and available only to those why recognize it for what it actually is.  It is not an element that can be touched or seen or exist in a state where it exists outside a human.  It exists in every human mind but can be made to hide waiting on that mind to recognize it.  There are few situations where something can cause it completely hidden but that can occur.  It those cases it is generally there and recognized but other circumstances make it intentionally repressed by choice in that person. 

It is not an element that can be given to or received from another.  It is a magical element that was captured by and inspired the human mind.  It exists in near every person and grows based on thought and desire within that person.  It has existed in a state of magical energy for a long time and evolved into its purest form almost 250 years ago.  It is not really something that can be added to an object but it is something that an object can cause to be drawn out of a person, if that person has begun to realize it for what it is.

It often includes an innate desire to be within the political boundaries of the USA.  Because here is where others have it in its purest form.  In many circumstances people desire to stay where they are to bring it to their nation.

Many can want to come here to do harm because it can be overcome by brainwashing and other things, such as religious beliefs.  Be even in those situations it can push those beliefs to the side and rise to the forefront of any person's beliefs.

I can describe it in many ways and others can add to those.  There is no one simple or 10,000 word detailed definition.  It is available to a person, recognized by that person and known by that person if they have it.  If they do not recognize it, they just have not recognized it within themself yet.

About the best definition that has come about so far is a basic desire for true freedom, while recognizing that some government is necessary to deal with the issues that require something like a government to handle.

You can accept this for what it is.  If you choose to not accept it you are in error.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2015, 10:28:49 AM »
Others might let your contradiction fly but not me sir. You don't get to say "true freedom" and "some government" in the same sentence without experience some chuckles in the audience.

True freedom has no government. If you find no government to be a scary idea due to your lack of understanding of economics and human interaction, that is your error.

Whatever I imagine your definition for true freedom to be, it will inevitably be in conflict with your ideal limited government. Limited government requires limiting freedoms. There's no two ways about it.

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2015, 10:57:46 AM »
So, who controls the Air Traffic system.  How do interstate highway systems get built?  How about an aircraft carrier?

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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2015, 12:24:41 PM »
Also, everyone does realize Canadians, Mexicans, Columbians, Brazilians, ect.... literally everyone on these 2 continents is an American.

Americanium sounds like some propaganda written by a nationalist. Imo

Actually now that I think about it the us is really the least American country  there is.
We got here way after everyone else, committed holocausts, had concentration camps, drove natural citizens out and said we are the true people everyone else pack yo shit and leave or we will kill you.
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Re: NDAA to transfer 1911s to Civilian marksmanship Program
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2015, 06:16:19 PM »
So, who controls the Air Traffic system.  How do interstate highway systems get built?  How about an aircraft carrier?

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