Unchained Preppers
General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: Grudgie on November 22, 2012, 05:20:26 PM
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So I bought an AK from Gunbroker today. It's a Zastava M92 PAP pistol. Apparently people say these are decent guns for Communist sweat shop pieces of shit. Stock photo:
(http://www.slickguns.com/sites/default/files/7-GHG3089N.jpg)
When I tried to buy one in Nashville for $680 and then another one that the guy wanted $875 for, I finally got fed up and snagged one on Gunbroker for $555 with free shipping.
I'll get some pictures of her when she comes. Ultimateley I'm hoping to install a folding stock and an Aimpoint for a handy little carbine.
Something like this:
(http://bubbleheadgunnut.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/tumblr-ak-74-w-aimpoint.jpg?w=640)
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They pretty much provide a virgin rear trunnion. Pretty easy to mill for a factory underfolding stock.
Checked one out a while back. Serbian/Yugo make great AKs.
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Excellent choice, im picking up a Hungarian AMD-65 pistol soon for a similar project [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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I don't know Grudgie...I won't write anything negative...I will wait for your assessment once she comes in. :-X
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Do youself a favor and find one in a shop that has an underfolder and give it a good finger fucking.
The underfolder is a great looking stock but not a great working stock.
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Do you care to explain why? I have never used one so I am clueless. Do they wear out over time and start to get a loose jiggle? If so I don't mind if it isn't the most accurate stock. I just need a semi stable platform from which to aim off of.
It seems that a folding stock would be really handy to make it smaller and throw it in a truck or something.
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The underfolder is one of, or the worst.
It isn't comfortable and is known for bruising faces. Workable for sure though.
If it where me, although more work, I'd do a left side triagle stock. "Kyber Pass" style.
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Ahh I see what you're saying. It has no place for a cheek weld.
Something like this maby?
(http://i50.tinypic.com/ohk1us.jpg)
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People who whine about underfolders amuse me. :))
I've never had an issue getting a cheek weld. Sure, isn't the best, but it works just fine.
It's an issue of preference and training.
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I can't get a good cheek weld on an underfolder which is the first problem. The second issue is the way they fall down onto the magazine so you can't get it rocked out of the rifle.
Yeah man get something that looks like an Ace side folder.. way better.
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I can't get a good cheek weld on an underfolder which is the first problem. The second issue is the way they fall down onto the magazine so you can't get it rocked out of the rifle.
Yeah man get something that looks like an Ace side folder.. way better.
I concur. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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It sucks because they look so cool...
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yugo m92 krink krinkov suchka (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhaJaUbJv5M#ws)
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comp m4 on the front of an ak47 [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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comp m4 on the front of an ak47 [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
pretty ghey right?
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AK FTW!
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You guys suck, I've never owned an AK variant in my life. I might be putting a WASR on layaway here in the next few weeks, just to finally have an AK. IT's HARD AS HELL trying to find a damn AK in my area. It was hard enough before elections, but now that Obama got re-elected, forget it.
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I'm kicking myself for not getting a brace of Dracos back when they were $300 apiece. And WASRs were $400 tops.
I distinctly remember being at a gunshow 3 years ago and a man had a DraCo with a drum magazine for $340. I thought about buying it but then I remembered it was a communist piece of shit so I put it down.
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i bought a mak-90 a day or two before elections, smartest thing i ever did
its the finest ak i have ever held, even better than arsenals
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CNC Warrior is the shit, btw.
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God forsaken guns anybody that has one is a commie!!!!!
Stay Frosty!!
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So what are folks' opinions on Tapco magazines? I found an online retailer selling 30 round tapco magazines for 5.99.
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IIRC those tapco mags have poly lugs.. that is no good.
Without lugs the magazine just falls out of the rifle. Stick with steel.
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Aren't Glock lugs plastic.? They seem to hold up well. Are there different stresses on Ak mags?
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Aren't Glock lugs plastic.? They seem to hold up well. Are there different stresses on Ak mags?
Well, for starters, glocks are plastic (mag) on plastic (mag release).
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Ahh that's good thinking. But still at that price I can have 3 Tapcos for 1 steel. Would I even use it enough to see it wear down? Decisions decisions.
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Ahh that's good thinking. But still at that price I can have 3 Tapcos for 1 steel. Would I even use it enough to see it wear down? Decisions decisions.
ARSENAL'S MIL. SPEC. MAGAZINE DROP TEST (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQalsPMe3tY#)
Yep.... real hard decisions.
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Cool video. And yes it is a hard decision. For the same price I can have 10 steel magazines or 20-30 plastic Tapco magazines. Steel magazines are obviously more reliable but they are more expensive and can still rust (I did a pun).
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Ya know... I don't know your experience. In high stress or even combat situations.
It seems kind of obvious to me. Sure you can have 20 magazine's but what good are they if you drop in the prone and it snaps in half and sprays your bullets everywhere? You pick up an AK (Guessing for some Reliability) Then your willing to take out a huge portion of its reliability for cheap a$$ mags.
That's F-in stupid.
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TheHossUSMC coincidentally posted a video about Steel magazines. He doesn't really go into any detail other than talking about how some came heavily pitted.
Surplus AK 47 Magazines The Good The Bad and The Ugly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a7bJ773cXc#)
I'll go with surplus mags where I can inspect them in person. They look badassedly classic and I need to drive to Nashville anyway.
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Cool video. And yes it is a hard decision. For the same price I can have 10 steel magazines or 20-30 plastic Tapco magazines. Steel magazines are obviously more reliable but they are more expensive and can still rust (I did a pun).
I dont know where the fuck you get your ak mags but I have never paid more than 10 bucks each for my steel mags. In fact the last 25 I got were brand new for 10 bucks each, I showed them on blogtv when I got them along with the $5 sg belts I got. Shop around and you can find steel mags for $10 bucks each.
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I expected it to be a piece of trash red rifle, and it actually really is.
(http://i1241.photobucket.com/albums/gg504/Dslatton/20121212_2.jpg)
I had suspected that what people say reguarding the differences of the AK and AR were exagerated. But the AK47 really is a big heavy innacurate bastard. I had 5 inch groups at 25 yards with this pistol. When people say minute of man they aren't kidding. I was suprised at the weight. This little pistol weighs the same as my decked out AR and I haven't even started bolting things onto it.
The fire selector was really tight when I first got it but it's good after a little dremel work. The wood stain turned out really nice. In my brief little experience with my AK pistol I have come to the conclusion that it might be over rated. Whhen thinking of words to describe it 'clunky' comes to mind. It is just a brutal, simple, inacurate, uncomfortable platform.
The iron sights on an AK47 are over rated. I hear lots of people talk smack about the old GI sights on a 1911 and the sights on my particular AK are even worse. But I have never really heard people bad mouth AK sights.
The trigger pull took a while to break in and become consistent but I really like it. It is really light. The mag changes are easier than I though they would be but I wish someone had told me that when you smack an empty mag out of the magazine well the tip bangs up agiast the wood leaving a gash. I had to fix that with some wood filler before applying the stain. I plan to put some moleskin on the wood furniture where that happens and then wrap that with some Gun Tape.
But like I said, in my opinion the AR is the superior rifle for combat. Maby I just got lucky and have a really good AR. It has never jammed in hundreds of rounds of steel cased Russian bullets.
I will become more comfortable with the AK and my opinion may change.
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Grudgie,
the AK is a good peasant rifle. It is relatively unbreakable and moron proof. I have shot quite a few AK's at 25, 50 and 100 yards and at all those ranges the weapon will put someone down. At 150 yards...It's literally hit or miss.
If one is willing to put a few dollars into the basic AK, e.g. sights and maybe a new barrel- The rifle is equal to an AR and firing a better round.
Now with all that said...I will stick with my AR.
Sorry GAP! [url=http://www.freesmileys.or
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lol Grudgie, you will here me bitch from dusk till dawn about the AK sights, they just suck. That is why I put Tech Sights on mine when I still had it. Sooooo much better. You also have to remember that the AK is generally less accurate, the pistol so much more so. Of course it also depends on the brand and quality that you have too.
ARs are not better than AKs, they both have their pros and cons
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i have run my mak-90 out to 600 with good success
yours looks like the serbian zastava pap, i had one of those too
hated the little peice of shit
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5" at 25?
That's ridiculous.
were you shooting off handed or from a bench?
A rest or shoulder stock would help immensely, if anything just to see how it groups.
And yes, AK sights suck, i went with a Mojo peep and a much finer post up front on mine.
My MAK-90 lays them in pretty damn tight at 100. about 2 1/2" to 3" which is good for an AK.
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I had suspected that what people say reguarding the differences of the AK and AR were exagerated. But the AK47 really is a big heavy innacurate bastard. I had 5 inch groups at 25 yards with this pistol. When people say minute of man they aren't kidding. I was suprised at the weight. This little pistol weighs the same as my decked out AR and I haven't even started bolting things onto it.
I've had a little experience with chopped barrels, 5" at that range is ridiculous even for an ak.
About a 10 power loupe is handy here.
1st. Check barrel crown for nicks and squareness either will destroy accuracy fast. (this can be corrected easy)
2nd. Lands and groves should be consistent, not perfect it's an ak. Look for obvious flaws that are not consistent with the rest. I mark a land or grove with a drop of paint (at the muzzle) and start making measurements with a caliper, do this about three times to make sure your measuring consistently and average them for an idea if a chipped or damaged button was used to cut them. The bore will most likely be off center of the barrel so your looking at depth consistency of the rifling not bore concentricity in the barrel (if one of the grooves is way off the others write the barrel off for accuracy)
Almost forgot, if one of the grooves is markedly deeper or shallower sometimes loosing ANY muzzle device (bare muzzle) can help some.
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Grudgie its a pistol which your comparing in accuracy to a rifle? 4 points of contact vs. 2 points of contact...worlds of difference.
Please make a video throwing it as far as you can on dirt so we know your not...one of those people...
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Grudgie, the poly mag issue is much bigger than dropping the rifle. Like RvR hit on the problem is that the mag provides huge amounts of leverage on the lugs and can be broken out of the rifle by something as simple as chipping a door frame on the way though it.
So don't fuck around with those tapco mags bro.
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never mind :P
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For some clarification, the 8 shot groups are closer to 3.5 inches with 1 or 2 in the outfield skewing the rest. I shot it off the back of a folding chair so it wasn't the best 'bench' to shoot from. The ammo was Tula.
I am being a little too harsh on my little red rifle. I really do enjoy shooting it and it will probably be a very practical weapon when fitted with an Aimpoint and an underfolder.
Grudgie, the poly mag issue is much bigger than dropping the rifle. Like RvR hit on the problem is that the mag provides huge amounts of leverage on the lugs and can be broken out of the rifle by something as simple as chipping a door frame on the way though it.
So don't fuck around with those tapco mags bro.
Will do. If I can find any.
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The rifle is equal to an AR and firing a better round.
I disagree with that. 5.56 is lighter and if used correctly is more destructive. By corectly I mean you are using a bullet with optimal penetration and fragmentation. A 62 grain xm855 out of a 14.5 inch barrel doesn't cut it.
But I do agree that the 7.62 is more optimal to be used in a SBR than the 5.56 which is why I bought this particular AK. Due to the way the 7.62 wounds, 100-150 FPS isn't going to effect it.