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Offline pkveazey

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I'm starting to question my own morality
« on: June 18, 2022, 02:04:01 AM »
I don't want to see people starving and fighting over breadcrumbs but at the same time I'm tired of waiting for the collapse to come. I've always been one of those people who wants to avoid a fight but if the fight comes to me, I want to get it on right now and be done with it. Everyday, I hear or see news reports about how we're right on the edge. Bullshit! Let's have it or don't have it. I'm prepared for most anything but my friends and neighbors seeem to have normalcy bias and have done very little to prepare. I sure as Hell can't feed all of them and supply power to their homes. I'm not going to get in their face and say, " I told you so", but I'm not going to sacrifice myself and family because they had their head up their asses.

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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2022, 07:30:05 AM »
I use to have a desire for "it" to start. I don't anymore because I know how "it" will change our lives And not for the better.
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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2022, 08:25:32 AM »
No hurry for it to "start and get over with" here either.
I look at the family and neighbors who refuse to admit there is any crisis on the horizon or that it would ever impact them.   Much less lead to "putting some extra aside".
And when ever my mind goes to this "normalcy bias" thing and their steadfast "denial", it is the same waking nightmare...
Am I going to sacrifice all just to extend the life for a brief period, for so many who were warned and did nothing?
At what point do I (or should I) start crushing the hands grappling up the sides of the lifeboat I built and stocked, threatening to capsize and sink those aboard already?
As nightmares go, I haven't had any worse than, "people don't starve peacefully when they know where food is",  "who are you going to shoot first?".

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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2022, 01:16:11 PM »
I use to have a desire for "it" to start. I don't anymore because I know how "it" will change our lives And not for the better.

Saving this Country is NOT about "our" lives as much as its about the survival of the Country, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights. Our Forefathers didn't fight england for themselves, they did it for everyone.

I have a friend that swears every generation states that their time is the worst of times. Its been said for decades, centuries and yet nothing changes. I tell him things have changed and not for the better. Just because we can tolerate the changes does NOT mean they are good changes
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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2022, 02:25:28 PM »
I don't think, short of nuclear war, we are ever going to have a true SHTF moment. Or even a "flushed down the toilet one". I believe we are in a long-term erosion, a slow collapse of everything that made this country great.  Very similar to how the Roman Empire ended.  Most people never notice it, or if they do they don't care due to what's called these days "normalcy bias" (what used to be referred to as being like an ostrich with your head in the sand [or up your nether regions, if you prefer]). Some actively encourage it, thinking they can "Build Back Better" than it ever was before. 
Others, who despise what is happening, also subscribe to the "tear it down and start over model", not realizing that their solution, while possibly good for themselves, is just as damning to society as a whole
The United States is without a doubt the most noble experiment in human history, the idea that a people can truly govern themselves- but it's been sabotaged since its inception by greed and special interests.  Somehow, though, we have never stopped being Americans and holding on to that ideal.
I rarely see that now, however. When I meet people now and talk to them they don't identify as Americans, but as sub-groups.I believe society has truly ceased to think of itself as American, having been maneuvered by the education, media and government into  primarily identify as sub groups- defined by any available division. Republicans, Democrats, vaxxed, unvaxxed, straight, gay, pro-abortion, anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-gun, so on and so forth ad nauseum; all designed to pit us against each other so we don't notice, or if we do, don't have the wherewithal to deal with, the slow grind of our societal collapse. Society spends so much time and energy dealing with those issues, egged on by those maneuvering groups, that the greater issue is pushed aside.
Those of us who do notice and try to speak out are branded fringe elements (just look at current DHS policy), essentially becoming Cassandras crying out in vain.
So, PK, I believe "it" already started a long time ago, and "it" ain't gonna be over for a long time to come. 
I think all we can do is prepare, cling to our morals and beliefs, and fight against "it" as best we can. I hold out  hope that we have our own version of a Cincinnatus somewhere in our future to remind the rest of the country what freedom and individualism really mean.

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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2022, 03:52:28 PM »
I don't think, short of nuclear war, we are ever going to have a true SHTF moment. Or even a "flushed down the toilet one". I believe we are in a long-term erosion, a slow collapse of everything that made this country great.  Very similar to how the Roman Empire ended.  Most people never notice it, or if they do they don't care due to what's called these days "normalcy bias" (what used to be referred to as being like an ostrich with your head in the sand [or up your nether regions, if you prefer]). Some actively encourage it, thinking they can "Build Back Better" than it ever was before. 
Others, who despise what is happening, also subscribe to the "tear it down and start over model", not realizing that their solution, while possibly good for themselves, is just as damning to society as a whole
The United States is without a doubt the most noble experiment in human history, the idea that a people can truly govern themselves- but it's been sabotaged since its inception by greed and special interests.  Somehow, though, we have never stopped being Americans and holding on to that ideal.
I rarely see that now, however. When I meet people now and talk to them they don't identify as Americans, but as sub-groups.I believe society has truly ceased to think of itself as American, having been maneuvered by the education, media and government into  primarily identify as sub groups- defined by any available division. Republicans, Democrats, vaxxed, unvaxxed, straight, gay, pro-abortion, anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-gun, so on and so forth ad nauseum; all designed to pit us against each other so we don't notice, or if we do, don't have the wherewithal to deal with, the slow grind of our societal collapse. Society spends so much time and energy dealing with those issues, egged on by those maneuvering groups, that the greater issue is pushed aside.
Those of us who do notice and try to speak out are branded fringe elements (just look at current DHS policy), essentially becoming Cassandras crying out in vain.
So, PK, I believe "it" already started a long time ago, and "it" ain't gonna be over for a long time to come. 
I think all we can do is prepare, cling to our morals and beliefs, and fight against "it" as best we can. I hold out  hope that we have our own version of a Cincinnatus somewhere in our future to remind the rest of the country what freedom and individualism really mean.

I'm reminded of "Brave Heart" and "The Patriot" both staring Mel Gibson. The vast majority of people could not care less about what is going on around them UNTIL it happens to them. And then sometimes they will stand up and fight back, SOMETIMES they will stand up and fight back.... Most of them will lick their wounds and go back to being good little sheeple...
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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2022, 08:34:10 PM »
Mmmmm. I totally disagree RB yet agree on parts of your premise. Totally disagree on the fact we will never see a SHTF scenario. I agree on much of your other comments.

I think we will go kinetic. If not this late summer then in 2023.   
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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2022, 09:14:12 AM »
Sadly, I agree with Johny Mac.  I do not want it to as I really dont think anyone is really prepared for what it truly means, but I do think that we will see thing go kinetic before too long.  Unfortunately the path we are on is akin to a toilet bowl being flushed.  Inflation is continuing to rise and with it prices on everything, shortages that make zero sense (see baby formula and feminine products), and a government focused on more and more control throughout.

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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2022, 01:55:59 PM »
Lets see what happens after the Nov elections
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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2022, 03:37:50 PM »
Grizz, if we have November elections.  ;)
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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2022, 04:16:41 PM »
Grizz, if we have November elections.  ;)

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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2022, 09:15:00 AM »
If there are people around come November to vote in an election.

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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2022, 06:10:12 AM »
I have come to believe that prepping is about resilience in the face of challenges that occur in the fullness of time.

Looking back historically we can see that bad things happen all the time. Some big and some small. Being prepared should be a normal state in life. However life in modern times has been to good for to long. Thus people are not in the mindset to believe bad things happen all the time.

I have come to focus effect as opposed to cause. Causes of strife are by their nature very unpredictable. When I was concentrating on predicting causative events it hurt my head. Then I started looking to mitigation of effects. So much easier for me that way.

The BIG ONE happens rarely in history, however bad stuff happens all the time. I focus my concerns on the resilience of our society to the effects of events. Sadly our society is unbelievably fragile in this age. Thus the breaking point is very easy to hit. Look at what COVID did to our society. Forget the political arguments and such. It divide us and the effects were not weathered well.

While the BIG ONE remains a possibility. We are much more likely to have disaster created by a combination of unfortunate events breaking past the point where society can cope with the effects.

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Re: I'm starting to question my own morality
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2022, 11:18:04 AM »
Watch out.  If you are in VA.  Someone might come by exploring this site, see this thread, and start waving red flags at you.

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