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Offline JohnyMac

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Gas Masks
« on: June 23, 2014, 10:16:42 AM »
There is a lot of info scattered all over UP concerning do's & don'ts on Gas Masks so I thought I would start a topic that could be "sticki'd" for future reads.

I was going to ask this question on the G2 post in the  :tinfoil: section however I thought it deserved it's own section.

So I and future forum members would appreciate it if you would share what you know here.

To start here is a quick update on the USofA military issue gas mask. 

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Wiki reports:
The M50 is compact, light, comfortable and more effective as determined by the Defense Department Joint Program Executive Office for Chemical and Biological Defense. The M50 allows for a wide field of view with a single lens that spans the width of the face.[4] The M50 has twin conformal filters, which decreases breathing resistance by 50 percent. This protective mask provides 24 hours continuous eye-respiratory protection in nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) environments. Another feature is an indicator which turns blue when the filter is expired.

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Re: Gas Masks
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2014, 07:25:03 PM »
My practical experience with CBRN/NBC comes from standard military training, and a "light" exposure scenario while deployed. (Still don't  now what it was didn't bother to find out.) The rest is post separation research.


Before you research anything make sure you understand the terms and concepts used in the text. While the following highlighted subjects are grouped they should be treated as their own separate hazards as one type of countermeasure will NOT protect you from all.
C.B.R.N. is the acronym used by modern military it stands for:



Chemical    
Chemical weapons. These include Harassing Agents (riot gas) and Incapacitating Agents (knock out gas) and Blister Agents (mustard gas) and Blood Agents (weaponized versions of arsenic & chlorine) Choking Agents (mostly industrial & old warfare) and finally Nerve Agents (Sarin etc...)



Biological
Biological weapons / Pandemics / Waste clean up / Mold based hazards. These include viruses germs and spores spread through Airborne Transmission (tuberculosis / influenza / weaponized anthrax) and Blood Borne Transmission (rabies / zombies!) which is often paired with Vector Borne Transmission (mosquito / lice) as well as the less common Direct Contact Transmission (Warts / Syphilis)



Radiological  & Nuclear
While technically the same hazard they are separated by situation and scope. Radiological covers dirty bombs nuclear power accidents. creating a dispersal of (relatively) low radioactive particulates known as Fallout while Nuclear concerns itself with the detonation of a nuclear warhead. This includes Blast, EMP, Thermal Radiation, and the different stages of direct radiation, as well as fallout. Which in both cases causes Radiation Poisoning.


Older terms used for this topic are "N.B.C" and "A.B.C"
While the military spectrum covers a whole host of hazards it does not cover the subject of air displacing vapors/fumes/gas as they are not included under the choking agents. For in this situation filtration is no longer an option and would need supplied air to function in. This is mostly an industrial accidents issue but those of you living near high traffic rail lines might want to look into it.


OK now we've got that cleared up now you need to identify you Hazzard Of Choice from now on refered to as HOC.
Now that you've got your HOC you need to identify your scenario. this will determine your estimated exposure time to your HOC which will greatly affect the countermeasures needed which is the core of this discussion. Prices range from low (radiological) to (biological) to (chemical) to extremely high (Nuclear).



For instance a standard N95 rated face mask will protect you from inhalation of 98% airborne pathogens and radiological dust (exhalation valve recommended). this does not mean you won't inhale them from your garments after removing the mask or reusing said mask.

Your selection of gas masks is almost as vast as that of n95 and would only recommend investing in these if your exposure time to them is estimated longer then an hour and to purchase one with a hydration option. Also note that these are designed to be effective for chemical warfare scenarios that don't allow for that 2-1% error. The filter you pick for your mask is critical because not all are created equal so make sure you adjust for your HOC(s) of choice. There is no such thing as a nuclear gas mask let alone for an astronaut type suit.



Now masks... Don't get a US military mask.
There i said it. while they are effective they are EXTREMELY overpriced, and by this I'm referring to the M40 by 3M and the M50 by Avon. You as a prepper can buy a just as good mask for 1/2 to 1/3 the going price of those. They will be lighter, person friendly and brand new (DON"T BUY USED) unless you're willing to test them. I'm personally in the process of replacing my M40 with an M95
Always get one with a nose and mouth cone separator. the more budget versions will exclude these and it makes your breath condense on your visor rendering yourself useless...
Rubber degrades over time if not stored properly so if buying a surplus "new" mask fro the 70's it's likely going to be useless.
Take note of what threading the mask allows and see if the filters available in it's size allow for your HOC.



On to filters... Most stand alone (can) filters utilize as their main countermeasure layers of activated carbon to absorb and neutralize your hazard of choice and allow the uncontaminated air to pass through. This process does not last for ever and filters need to be replaced after a certain time (depending level of concentration and time in environment) Activated carbon is a fragile compound and degrades in high humidity and over time. While these filters will no longer be effective for chemical agents they will still function for pathogen and particulate scenarios.
There are other options such as powered fan and UV light filters but I don't know a damn thing about them and they are uber pricy.

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Re: Gas Masks
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2014, 08:19:49 AM »
WOW! Great write-up Burt!!

One thing I derived from your write-up is the N95 will handle "98% airborne pathogens and radiological dust" so is the best choice for your dollar. Did I read that right?

It makes total sense in that if you were only protecting yourself against the B.R.N of the C.B.R.N. The additional plus is you can discard daily and start with a new N95 the next day. You can also keep one (or two) in the car glove compartment in case of an emergency while driving.
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Re: Gas Masks
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2014, 11:10:57 AM »
WOW! Great write-up Burt!!

One thing I derived from your write-up is the N95 will handle "98% airborne pathogens and radiological dust" so is the best choice for your dollar. Did I read that right?

It makes total sense in that if you were only protecting yourself against the B.R.N of the C.B.R.N. The additional plus is you can discard daily and start with a new N95 the next day. You can also keep one (or two) in the car glove compartment in case of an emergency while driving.

First identify what what your scenario is. (I feel i've said this over several topics now.) If you are concerned about a super flu and live at your BOL a n95 mask will be plenty (not including vectors) if in that same scenario you intend on going down town to the local hardware store where other potential infected people might be breathing in an enclosed area makes that 2% room for error in a zero sum game pretty high percentage.
also mind you that i've only covered mask's so far.

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Re: Gas Masks
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2014, 05:29:12 PM »
Got it brother.
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Re: Gas Masks
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2014, 10:16:35 PM »
Great read Burt! My main concern is biological. I’m very interested in reading more on this subject. Thanks for the info!   :thumbsUp:

Burt Gummer

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Re: Gas Masks
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2014, 01:31:07 AM »
Hey no problem guys, it's a big subject and there's no "CBRN For Dummies" book that I'm aware of.
So please feel free to ask away on the subject and I'll attempt to explain what ever I know about it.
This will help because there's a lot of subject mater to cover and I work a full time job.
Keep in mind there's no "stupid questions" If you're uncomfortable or uncertain about your scenario that's ok too...