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Body armor
« on: February 18, 2012, 07:26:34 PM »
Does anyone  prep body armor ? If so why ?

 If your are hit with a large enough round it could crack your chest plate and not break the esapi plate.

It weights you down and is usless after being hit.

Could you also pic/ describe you body armor and if you know any good deals with plate carriers and where to find the plates and carriers at a good price ??

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Re: Body armor
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 07:36:52 PM »
Does anyone  prep body armor ? If so why ?

 If your are hit with a large enough round it could crack your chest plate and not break the esapi plate.

It weights you down and is usless after being hit.

Could you also pic/ describe you body armor and if you know any good deals with plate carriers and where to find the plates and carriers at a good price ??

I don't believe I'd ever invest in the higher classes of body armor, but wouldn't vests that will stop pistol rounds be a good investment? Relatively cheap, much easier to move in, and will still provide some protection. Many people here have pointed out that pistol calibers (especially .22's) will be plentiful after SHTF. Seems like a good thing to have, even if you're not in an urban area.

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Re: Body armor
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 07:57:00 PM »
http://lineoffire.ca/ Citizen legal to own and will ship to any US state provided they have a faxed photo of your ID.
http://bulletblocker.com/ I own and I'll say I like it. Fairly light weight, but thick. The sizing chart is a little off so usually go down a size. I will say though it took forever to arrive and customer service was pretty shitty initially. And if you're looking for a custom fit you'll end up tailoring it as I did.

Thing is, I like the idea of having BA incase of an emergency, but I'm no freaking highly trained combatant and wouldn't plan on running around with it on. If I have to bug out and don't have a way of transporting it they'll be cut along with a number of other items to cut down on extra weight also. I mean you have to think, yes the majority of rounds fired in a fire fight strike center mass, but it only takes one to strike an artery or hit you between the eyes.
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Re: Body armor
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2012, 09:43:49 PM »
I had submitted my response earlier but apparently SP said F your response.

I don't stack up on armor, my thoughts on the subject are if you take a hit its still going to do damage.
If I take a hit, I think I would rather bleed out and die quick than have someone save my ass but not be able to stop internal bleeding and I die a few hours later in a lot of pain.

Just my thoughts.
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Re: Body armor
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2012, 09:53:37 PM »
if i could get a vest with the plates for like $100 i'd totally go for it

otherwise its a waste of my money


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Re: Body armor
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2012, 05:32:31 AM »
I have a carrier with rifle plates and soft armor backing.

It wasn't terribly expensive, I can get plates from a local source for $100 each, the carrier was around $150.

I will say you need to actually train with your armor, both shooting, and physical training. Wearing body armor makes pretty much everything more difficult or awkward.
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Re: Body armor
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2012, 09:24:40 AM »
Here are some good deals: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=body+armor&_sacat=See-All-Categories

IMO, if you are squared away with food, ammo and other supplies, body armor is a good thing. As Rah wrote, "vests that will stop pistol rounds be a good investment? Relatively cheap, much easier to move in, and will still provide some protection. Many people here have pointed out that pistol calibers (especially .22's) will be plentiful after SHTF." A kevlar vest for handguns would be all you really need but SAPI plates are cheap right now.

Again, food, ammo, medical, etc are more important to spend your $$$$ on then body armor at first.
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Re: Body armor
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2012, 10:32:43 AM »
Here's my $.02:

The best defense against a bullet is DON'T BE WHERE THE BULLET'S TRAVELING TO!
That said...

It's all about Protection vs Movement.  You could be all done up like a MW3 Juggernaut and still die.  How?

1. Armor makes you slower to varying degrees, the heavier/thicker the more cumbersome the armor.  The slower and less agile you are, the more vulnerable a target you offer.  It will make you winded quicker and again the goal is NOT to get shot in the first place.

2. Impact.  The purpose of armor is to keep the bullet from penetrating the protected portion of the body.  The bulk of the energy from the bullet is dissipated along the area of the armor "plate".  However, some (varying on caliber and level of protection) energy is still transferred through the armor to the individual.  At best you get knocked off your feet, winded and have a little bruising.  At worst, you can expect broken bones (which can puncture organs and lead to) as well as internal bleeding.  During a situation where medical care is with the civil war ERA and modern hospital settings are out of immediate reach death will still be likely unless proper care can be given. (I'm not a doc, just going off what I know.)

You have to ask your self if it is worth the cost to you at this point.  As MountainRedneck so eloquently pointed out, you can't eat SAPI plates.  If you have the extra scratch to spend 300-400 buck on a good set of plates, go for it.

At most I will be running Level 3A soft armor (currently) and even then it will be mission specific.  This is because my goal is to stay light and mobile, able to move quickly and use that extra weight for ammo.  If I was to wear armor, it would most likely be for a "door to door" situation, which I do not see myself doing anytime soon, or in a defensive situation.

Also, be aware of what you are buying.  Make sure you are getting the appropriate level of protection you want.  Also note the date of manufacture of the armor.  Most body armor has an expiration of about 5 years.  This is a manufacturers warranty thing so I could see them being effective "to a degree" for some time past that date.  Also be aware that there are such things as "training" plates on the market that offer no protection but give you the weight and bulk of armor.  Bottom line on this subject is research, research, research!  And Buyer Be Aware!

Proper care and maintenance of armor is also key to its effectiveness.  Hard armor must be periodically inspected for cracks, dings or other anomalies which could lead to a catastrophic failure of the armor at that most critical of moments.  Its must also be kept clean to preserve the integrity of the materials it is made of.  Soft armor is no different in the regards to cleaning and inspection.  I also recommend that you store your soft armor laid out flat.  The reason is that when storing for long periods of time, over time the material has a tendency to "sag" and collect in the bottom of the carrier.  This reduces the surface covered by armor and creates unnecessary bulk.  Regular care and maintenance can be the difference between your armor doing its job, or failing when you need it most.
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Re: Body armor
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2012, 02:21:11 PM »
I carry a level IIIa kevlar insert in my backpack, because you cannot carry a firearm on a university campus.  I don't mind that with a Level IV plate but rolling around like that is a quick way to get unwanted attention.   So either be prepared to show your reciepts or or S had bettter have HTF, because you will be detained and questioned if witnessed by just about any LEO.   

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Re: Body armor
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2012, 03:46:50 PM »
I was doing a little research earlier today on body armor- Specifically do you wear a kevlar vest or pannels behind SAPI plates or not and I ran across this test for IIIa soft armor. I thought it was interesting. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot16.htm

Bottom-line IIIa is no good for our 5.56 or 7.32 x 39 but A-OK for handgun rounds.
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Re: Body armor
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2012, 10:33:22 PM »
I agree with Outofnowhere.  Mobility is life.  I would much prefer speed and the ability to dart from cover-to-cover than body armor any day.  I don't plan on getting in a pitched firefight anyway.  Lay down an accurate volume of heavy fire and break contact.  In WROL if you have to reload, you're wrong.  I'm only 5'8 so I'm a smaller target anyway.  God's got my back. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

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Re: Body armor
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2012, 12:55:25 AM »
I agree with Outofnowhere.  Mobility is life.  I would much prefer speed and the ability to dart from cover-to-cover than body armor any day.  I don't plan on getting in a pitched firefight anyway.  Lay down an accurate volume of heavy fire and break contact.  In WROL if you have to reload, you're wrong.  I'm only 5'8 so I'm a smaller target anyway.  God's got my back.

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Like I said man I agree Dump a mag of accurate suppressive fire and dee dee.
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Re: Body armor
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2012, 01:01:43 AM »
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Re: Body armor
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2012, 02:01:27 AM »
I could care less about how tall or short I am.  God made me what I am and that is most righteous.  I'm not proud of it, but I've f*cked up dudes up to 6'1 in fights before in my life.  But I'm just a biodiesel worker and a man of peace... ^-^

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Re: Body armor
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2012, 03:21:50 AM »
I could care less about how tall or short I am.  God made me what I am and that is most righteous.  I'm not proud of it, but I've f*cked up dudes up to 6'1 in fights before in my life.  But I'm just a biodiesel worker and a man of peace... ^-^


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Re: Body armor
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2012, 07:27:39 AM »
I could care less about how tall or short I am.  God made me what I am and that is most righteous.  I'm not proud of it, but I've f*cked up dudes up to 6'1 in fights before in my life.  But I'm just a biodiesel worker and a man of peace... ^-^


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Re: Body armor
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2012, 07:37:16 AM »
I was doing a little research earlier today on body armor- Specifically do you wear a kevlar vest or pannels behind SAPI plates or not and I ran across this test for IIIa soft armor. I thought it was interesting. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot16.htm

Bottom-line IIIa is no good for our 5.56 or 7.32 x 39 but A-OK for handgun rounds.


Things to keep in mind:

1. Plate carriers and other armor carriers are not ballistic proof.  If you are not sure if something has ballistic properties check the inside of it.  If it is it will have a clearly marked label.
2. As stated above, 3A is good for rounds UP to .223.
3. Be aware of what kind of plates you get ( if you do).  Some plates REQUIRE that you wear a level 3A vest in conjunction with the plates while some plates can be worn by themselves.  Some plates can withstand multiple high caliber round impacts (multi-hit) and some are scrap after one impact.

http://www.bulletproofme.com/ is a good source of info on body armor.
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Re: Body armor
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2012, 12:31:10 PM »
I'm gonna have to do some testing but my thinking is more along the lines of just enough kevlar to stop a .22 from penetrating your skin. Probably the most common round you'll encounter and the external wax lube makes it probably the most prone to causing infection. A t-shirt style would be nice. Probably about as far as I would go with armor while mobile. 

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Re: Body armor
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2012, 01:54:55 PM »
I'm gonna have to do some testing but my thinking is more along the lines of just enough kevlar to stop a .22 from penetrating your skin. Probably the most common round you'll encounter and the external wax lube makes it probably the most prone to causing infection. A t-shirt style would be nice. Probably about as far as I would go with armor while mobile.
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Re: Body armor
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2012, 09:39:53 AM »
I'm gonna have to do some testing but my thinking is more along the lines of just enough kevlar to stop a .22 from penetrating your skin. Probably the most common round you'll encounter and the external wax lube makes it probably the most prone to causing infection. A t-shirt style would be nice. Probably about as far as I would go with armor while mobile.
If you happen to design or come across any boxer briefs like that let me know.  ;D


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Re: Body armor
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2012, 04:30:59 AM »
I don't mind that with a Level IV plate but rolling around like that is a quick way to get unwanted attention.   So either be prepared to show your reciepts or or S had bettter have HTF, because you will be detained and questioned if witnessed by just about any LEO.

So what is possibly wrong with wearing body armor? I don't have to prove where I bought my plates, they have to prove that my property is somehow illegally obtained, and they couldn't possibly have any probable cause to suspect such, and they wouldn't be able to tell anyway since all labels are not visible since I cover my plates with duct tape to protect them against the elements.

I have also worn a plate carrier in the presence of numerous LEOs, and none questioned the origin of my plates or how I obtained them. Which was through entirely legal means, by the way.

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Re: Body armor
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2012, 04:57:51 AM »
I've got nothing against having body armor, but check your state laws before wearing it in public.

For example....I was at a Class 3 weapons shop in Georgia inquiring about body armor and was informed by the proprietor that wearing body armor during the commission of "ANY CRIME" was an instant felony in the state of Georgia...... And that "ANY CRIME" includes traffic violations, jay-walking, littering, spitting on the side walk, etc.
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Re: Body armor
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2012, 08:38:33 AM »
Dunno if you guys noticed or not but nearly everyone knocking body armour is us vets. Ill explain.while being over seas we wore that shit for hours sometimes days at a time,i guarantee you 90% of us including myself has thought about being able to just roll out on mission in pts lbv k-pot and weapon.the point is either dont listen to us because we're biased, or listen to us because unless you baby those 100$ sapi plate it will crack inside its own shell and you won't know you are lugging around an extra 30lbs for no reason except for a little extra confidence that will likely get you killed so I agree with a lot of other dudes just get the soft stuff its so much more practical.

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Re: Body armor
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2012, 01:13:44 PM »
Dunno if you guys noticed or not but nearly everyone knocking body armour is us vets. Ill explain.while being over seas we wore that shit for hours sometimes days at a time,i guarantee you 90% of us including myself has thought about being able to just roll out on mission in pts lbv k-pot and weapon.the point is either dont listen to us because we're biased, or listen to us because unless you baby those 100$ sapi plate it will crack inside its own shell and you won't know you are lugging around an extra 30lbs for no reason except for a little extra confidence that will likely get you killed so I agree with a lot of other dudes just get the soft stuff its so much more practical.


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Re: Body armor
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2012, 02:11:42 PM »
Dunno if you guys noticed or not but nearly everyone knocking body armour is us vets. Ill explain.while being over seas we wore that shit for hours sometimes days at a time,i guarantee you 90% of us including myself has thought about being able to just roll out on mission in pts lbv k-pot and weapon.the point is either dont listen to us because we're biased, or listen to us because unless you baby those 100$ sapi plate it will crack inside its own shell and you won't know you are lugging around an extra 30lbs for no reason except for a little extra confidence that will likely get you killed so I agree with a lot of other dudes just get the soft stuff its so much more practical.


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