Unchained Preppers
General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: Kobalt on February 17, 2012, 09:03:51 PM
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http://youtu.be/HfJj90eNIfE (http://youtu.be/HfJj90eNIfE)
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Somebody had to say it. >:D
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I respect his opinion. And glocks are better :))
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ask the nazis my grandpa shot with his 45 if its a sucky weapon. o yea i forgot there DEAD [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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BWB if you had watched the video you would have noticed he talked about the 1911's of the 40's and 50's that were hand assembled being very reliable weapons. He was talking about the mass produced out of the box 1911's of today.
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His shirt is pretty special. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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BWB if you had watched the video you would have noticed he talked about the 1911's of the 40's and 50's that were hand assembled being very reliable weapons. He was talking about the mass produced out of the box 1911's of today.
o my bad i thought he was talking about the weapon in general
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now that i watched the video he is obviously full of dog shit, everyone i know that has one never has a problem, most of them being springfields.
i notice he says not very accurate, my uncle who is a vietnam vet bought his 1911 when he got out and he went out in the yard one day from 15 yards he shot all the pins of the clothes line not missing a single one. that dude should [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at himself
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Slowly watch the video he says people used to complain because of the old sights meaning 40's sights. also most people who own 1911's don't shoot them enough to see any problems. The main issue is the owners.
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is 5000 rounds with out any malfunctions good enough?
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is 5000 rounds with out any malfunctions good enough?
He said 50,000 so no.
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[img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
I concur with his statements....firearms just are not built like they used to be gents.
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is 5000 rounds with out any malfunctions good enough?
He said 50,000 so no.
yea yea that guys just a fucking tool, i like how he bashes the 45 acp,i bet hes never been in combat, i can tell this by the trash he talks. the only reason the military shoots a 9mm is because its a nato round.
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is 5000 rounds with out any malfunctions good enough?
He said 50,000 so no.
yea yea that guys just a fucking tool, i like how he bashes the 45 acp,i bet hes never been in combat, i can tell this by the trash he talks. the only reason the military shoots a 9mm is because its a nato round.
This guy was a private contractor. He is the founder of tactical response. He hits the range everyday for a living. He knows his shit, and you don't know shit. That is a big difference.
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if he says the 1911 is rarely reliable hes smoking some crack, idk what kind hes seen, probably people who dont clean there weapon. i know 100 years from now 1911s will still be sending rounds down range, honestly i dont see a glock working 100 years from now. btw my friend dad has a glock 19 and ive witnessed several ftf.
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i would also like to know how much glock paid him to make that video [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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is 5000 rounds with out any malfunctions good enough?
He said 50,000 so no.
Bro I'm sorry but who.the fuck are you to talk. You are not even 18 yet. You dont have a single right to call someone out on there career when you havent even started your own.
I'm a current member of the army and a 4 year vet of the marines. Combat mos. I have done 3 active tours and very well soon going to see a fourth and fifth. I have been in the shit and seen good men bleed out.
I have taken 2 of James yeagers classes as well as one from vickers and one from Magpul. James yeager may come of as a tool but he is a guy that has lived his tactics. He has been in the fucking grinder. Some people question his teachings. I did at one point but after taking his classes. I see his point of view.
Just do me a favor. Don't speak from others experience, just your own. It makes you look half your age [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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fuel hogg? wtf since when did we have a fuel hogg in the forums? you have to remember its all about money. glock would pay someone like this thousands to say that.
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Why are you defending a gun you don't even own? If I remember right you use a bersa 380.
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fuel hogg? wtf since when did we have a fuel hogg in the forums? you have to remember its all about money. glock would pay someone like this thousands to say that.
Fuel hogg-- UnBroken I changed my name.
I'm sure glock would pay someone. But none the less he makes very valid points. I have bought my wifes kimber pro carry 2 and we had to replace the guide rod and afew external parts before it would work.
I had a colt. Never worked and I'm a gunsmith by trade. Or was before I reenlisted into the army. 1911 s are not combat pistols by any sence of the term. Glocks are.
I don't like glocks at all but i own two ...why? Because I see there place and what they bring to.the table....James has also stated in previous vids he does not work for any company but his own. He only is giving the advise that he has seen work and if I was someone like you.
I'd take the advise of my elders rather then think I know everything, yet you have never been anywhere
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Hello all, RON L here
While this Gent and IS entitled to his opinion, thats all it is to me and so many others that have carried, used and continue to use the 1911a1 or it;s clones each and every day! OH and By the way some of us DO KNOW OUR SHIT, and have for DECADES!!! His opinion is well Just HIS OPINION, we all know what they say about those??? LOL Like the 9MM Vs 45ACP debate it will never have an end and is a fun way to make your point but one side is more righgt than the other? AR VS AK, I own Both for many reasons!
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BWB, I would remind your arrogant ass that YOU have not seen combat yourself so refrain from mouthing off filling the forum with more of your uneducated and childish garbage. If you have a educated or rational opinion, then please share it.
Good for your grandpa and your uncle and anyone else in your family that has been in the military and used the damn weapon in such roles. You haven't and you need to step the fuck off when it comes to shit like this. I challenge you to make ONE educated post on ANY weapon that comes from somewhere besides "well, my family member...". This is this biggest over step you made a while back and you AGAIN are making it.
As to calling James a tool, you really show your age and ignorance. Try learning more about the man and his qualifications to be making such comments before you rattle off your nonsense. And try watching the full video carefully and processing a WHOLE ENTIRE thought, if its possible, before posting.
To the subject of the video, I have owned a 1911 and currently own a Glock. I gave up the 1911 cause of the price of ammo and the headache with the mags lol. Would I own one again, sure if it is of quality make. But I won't be going out there and spending money on one when I have better things to buy and own a perfectly good sidearm.
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Damn Outonowhere.......
But how can anyone be viewed as trustworthy and competent while wearing a shirt like that? [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at ;D
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1911's of way back when and today are 2 completly different animals. Today we have tured them into race guns for lack of better term. Todays 1911's are not combat guns. They are great for competitions, if you are very competant to keep them running. The 1911's of yesteryear... well at the time, they were some of the best around. Come forward 100 years and they are little more than race guns. Similar to revolvers. In their peak depending on time period SA or DA they were the best around. Come forward to today, and they still cetainly have their place. Hunting, backup gun, or potentially competition, but they are far from an ideal combat handgun. While I do not agree that glocks are the end all be all. I have seen plenty of glock fail even on a stagnant shooting range, I do agree 1911's are most likely not the best choice. At least not production guns. Perhaps custom or semi custom 1911's can fall into thet place, where everything is hand fitted. But then you are getting into a price point where your secondary is costing in some cases twice what your primary is. And for the vast majority of people that is just unreasonable. Epecially when there are several very very good options around the glock price point. Some of those options are just as good if not better for most people.
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[img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at fuckin a guys
alright here i go
1911's are never going to be as reliable as glocks
but unless you are going to war without a rifle or doing a shooting competition with 50,000 rounds fired in the match
WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK
both will go bang enough for you to protect yourself in any pistol fight
of course this only goes into effect if you got a good 1911
i personally carry either a colt gold cup or a ruger 1911 every fucking day
but i keep a M&P9 in my truck for when i cant carry, because glock/m&p have true FIREPOWER.
in close
pick which one you like the best and train train train
but in all reality glock/M&P are better than a 1911 in every way except putting them in a fire and seeing which one melts first
but both will serve you just fine every day of your life unless you should decide to go to war without a rifle
oh and bwb, shut the fuck up and open your eyes and ears, you just might learn something
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Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I think backwoods went too far in his assessment of Mr. James Yeager. Whatever! But the man has been there, and personally, I think he has his shit together and greatly value his opinion. Experience is king.
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@ Mtnredneck:
You shouldn't include all 1911's in that statement. Rock Island Armory makes a 1911A2, which holds 14 rounds of .45 ACP in the mag. I've also read good things about its reliability.
Another one is Para-Ordnance's P14 series, though I have read reliability and Customer Service issues regarding that company.
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@ Mtnredneck:
You shouldn't include all 1911's in that statement. Rock Island Armory makes a 1911A2, which holds 14 rounds of .45 ACP in the mag. I've also read good things about its reliability.
Another one is Para-Ordnance's P14 series, though I have read reliability and Customer Service issues regarding that company.
RIA has some issues with reliability, as does para ordinance
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Fuel hogg-- UnBroken I changed my name.
How'd you do that?
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Fuel hogg-- UnBroken I changed my name.
How'd you do that?
It's in the profile settings
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I've been gone all day so I missed some stuff. Did finally get a computer camera for 3 bucks at the flea market from a Jamaican dude that assured me it works. LOL! I was astounded by how much old style military camo was on the racks everywhere. That's another story.
Now about the 45. I've enjoyed some of these posts. Here's the truth. The old military issue 45's were reliable as hell. That's because they were looser than anything you see being produced today. They were meant to be close quarter's hand cannons and that's exactly what they were. But you really had to search for one that was accurate at any distance over 25 yards. The way we would test them is by pulling the slide back half an inch and trying to wiggle the barrel. If the barrel didn't wiggle it was worth trying at the range.
My brother pawned a Glock 45 cal. to me instead of a pawn shop here years ago. I kept it for about 6 years thinking I'd give it and a Colt Python of his to his boys down the road. He finally asked if he could buy them back and I let let him have them back for what I paid. $400.
The Glock was reliable but I never really liked it. No visible hammer. I just don't really trust handguns without a hammer I can see. Guess I'm old fashioned. :)
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Ron L here
I'm Gonna add my last say on this then you all can Go ahead, 1911a1's wil one day need parts and need repaired, as well as Glocks, anyone that doesn't think so is deluding himself, thats not what I say, thats what I saw! Go with what ya like and use and The Best is what works for you!
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Glock has the most accidental discharges (documented) of any handgun brand in history. Nice track record. I'd feel better with a cocked-and-locked 1911 or browning hi-power. My best choice is a .45 acp pistol in decock-only. Best balance of energy and momentum without excessive recoil.
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Wow! After watching the video my analysis is the dude is a total prick! I am willing to have a shooting contest with him or any of his 15,000 "students" any day of the week. Timed, untimed, for groups or just hits. I don't give a shit. Toe-to-toe, fool! BTW, my Ruger p97 has given me good service for 9 years but I am considering a Sig220. A Glock is beneath my attention. They are for idiots and/or cops.
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Yeah, Sig!
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Wow! After watching the video my analysis is the dude is a total prick! I am willing to have a shooting contest with him or any of his 15,000 "students" any day of the week. Timed, untimed, for groups or just hits. I don't give a shit. Toe-to-toe, fool! BTW, my Ruger p97 has given me good service for 9 years but I am considering a Sig220. A Glock is beneath my attention. They are for idiots and/or cops.
So I guess I'm an idiot.
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Glock has the most accidental discharges (documented) of any handgun brand in history. Nice track record.
glocks rely on you not pulling the fucking trigger until your trying to shoot something
everyone else relies on a manual safety so they dont shoot themselves (tex grebner)
yeah glock owners are the idiots......... [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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I originally wrote a long post concerning the superiority of one pistol over another, but than I realized I was falling into that whole hardware discussion, when the software is what's really important.
When the software is programmed correctly, so to speak, the hardware issues solve themselves. [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
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I originally wrote a long post concerning the superiority of one pistol over another, but than I realized I was falling into that whole hardware discussion, when the software is what's really important.
When the software is programmed correctly, so to speak, the hardware issues solve themselves.
For the most part you are right. I believe that there are firearms of ALL makes and models that work like a government desk jockey at the DMV on a holiday weekend, and it mostly comes down to...
1. Quality control and manufacturing process
2. Quality of mags and ammo used
3. Quality of end user.
As I stated before, I like the 1911. I also like my Glock. Only reason I switched from one to the other is the price of .45 compared to 9mm and the fact that I've had/seen more problems with 1911 mags as opposed to Glock style mags.
1km - While I am genuinely interested in the study I have to agree with Mountain. If the study is based off of hardware malfunction alone I would like to see if there have been any changes. Otherwise it comes down to the end user and their quality/level of training with THAT firearm. And don't forget that most infamous of individuals on youtube who demonstrated the EASE of performing a ND with 1911 ;D
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Glock has the most accidental discharges (documented) of any handgun brand in history. Nice track record. I'd feel better with a cocked-and-locked 1911 or browning hi-power. My best choice is a .45 acp pistol in decock-only. Best balance of energy and momentum without excessive recoil.
That couldnt be because something like 15-20% of ALL gun sales last year were a GLOCK.. more guns means more accidents...
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I am willing to have a shooting contest with him or any of his 15,000 "students" any day of the week. Timed, untimed, for groups or just hits. I don't give a shit. Toe-to-toe, fool!
im sure hed do it but hes going to charge you a normal pistol class fee for getting to shoot with one of the most recognized civilian contractors alive. if you decide to pay please video it.
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Sorry i don't take the "tactical instructor" in the Ed Hardy shirt very seriously.
That is the gayest goddamn shirt I've ever seen.
Also fuck Glocks, guns are made out of metal, toys are made from plastic.
The 1911 is THE MOST battle proven automatic pistol in the history of firearms, with the only possible exception being the tokarev design.
Although i will say i agree with him on the grip safety being fucking stupid.
But who am i kidding? I own an EAA witness .45 :))
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*muches popcorn and watches the fireworks*
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*muches popcorn and watches the fireworks*
[URL=http://www.smileyvault.co
I actually like the TT33 more than the 1911 even though the TT is stolen design it just feels better....it also punches through armor better.
* tosses another shovel full of coal into the fire * ^-^
Oh yeah Insert MSS ::)
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The 1911 is THE MOST battle proven automatic pistol in the history of firearms, with the only possible exception being the tokarev design.
No, that distinction would go to the browning HP.
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I am willing to have a shooting contest with him or any of his 15,000 "students" any day of the week. Timed, untimed, for groups or just hits. I don't give a shit. Toe-to-toe, fool!
im sure hed do it but hes going to charge you a normal pistol class fee for getting to shoot with one of the most recognized civilian contractors alive. if you decide to pay please video it.
Actually, he offers a money back guarantee, all you have to do is explain why you felt the class was unsatisfactory in front of the rest of the class. He has yet to have anyone take him up.
Also, 1000meter, where abouts do you live? I can probably arrange a contest between you and a tactical response alumnus.
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I live in Southern Indiana. Sometimes it seems I practically live at the range (for 2 decades now), so I'd probably give any self-proclaimed "tactical" guy a run for their money. I would love to compete with Hickok .45. That dude has mad skills and is one of the few people I respect and will freely confess is probably better than me. [img]http://www.smileydesign.n
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The 1911 is THE MOST battle proven automatic pistol in the history of firearms, with the only possible exception being the tokarev design.
No, that distinction would go to the browning HP.
How?
The 1911 was produced in greater quantity and had a longer service length.
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The only accidental discharge I've ever had was in my pants. OOOOHHHH! 8)
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The 1911 is THE MOST battle proven automatic pistol in the history of firearms, with the only possible exception being the tokarev design.
No, that distinction would go to the browning HP.
How?
The 1911 was produced in greater quantity and had a longer service length.
The HP has or is still used in general issue (as much as a pistol is in a military) by more militaries and law enforcement agencies worldwide than the 1911.
It has also fought against itself (as a general issue pistol, not just a capture) and won, every time. :D
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I dig my 1911s...
(http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/116/d85a3df2a20f4c32a22273402cbb793e/l.jpg) (http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/121/b31561294a2648bfa4683ae48c067be3/l.jpg) (http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/116/e01caa6b9a5e458fb82e034ce8b2656b/l.jpg)
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I dig my 1911s...
What?......No love for Kimber? Lol [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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I dig my 1911s...
What?......No love for Kimber? Lol ([url]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at[/url])
Nah... No MONEY for Kimber. :o (http://Nah...%20no%20MONEY%20for%20Kimber.%20%C2%A0:o)
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I have never really been into 1911's though I did grow up on them. They just were never my thing.
But yesterday I held a 1911 Champion
I tell you what that thing was the one of the most comfortable pistols I have ever held.
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But yesterday I held a 1911 Champion
I tell you what that thing was the one of the most comfortable pistols I have ever held.
You should handle the compact in the middle picture of my post... Since I dehorned it, blended the MSH and grip safety, and re-parked, it feels almost SOFT in the hand, but still provides ample grip and stability. VERY comfortable gun.