Unchained Preppers
General Category => Security & Survival => Topic started by: crudos on January 13, 2012, 12:22:33 PM
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http://www.parabellumarmament.com/pasite/akarshome.htm (http://www.parabellumarmament.com/pasite/akarshome.htm)
AK owners, any opinions on this system? Been looking at it pretty hard the last month, seems a really good idea. Always disliked the traditional side mounts and the various hand guard rail mounting systems.
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Looks sweet.
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It looks like you are counting on that pin to keep the whole rail zero and there is a lot of potental for leverage on that pin. From a design stand point I don't like it. It doesn't look tough enough.
Check out the UlitMak rail, it replaces the gas tube and seems to be a much sturdier mount.
(http://ultimak.com/products/M1inst2.jpg)
http://ultimak.com/M1-b.htm (http://ultimak.com/M1-b.htm)
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It looks like you are counting on that pin to keep the whole rail zero and there is a lot of potental for leverage on that pin. From a design stand point I don't like it. It doesn't look tough enough.
Yeah, I can see your point on it not looking sturdy enough and possible strain points. Still would love to get hands on with it and see for myself.
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Better.
http://texasweaponsystems.com/ (http://texasweaponsystems.com/)
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Better.
[url]http://texasweaponsystems.com/[/url] ([url]http://texasweaponsystems.com/[/url])
Hadn't seen that one. Thanks LP.
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I am going to say the same thing again. That dogleg deal *looks* better because it makes an attempt at attaching to the rear of the receiver but its still hinky in my book.
Crudos, this is the sighting device on a weapon that you will attempt to save your own life with, keep that in mind before you attach it to some hinky shit.
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I am going to say the same thing again. That dogleg deal *looks* better because it makes an attempt at attaching to the rear of the receiver but its still hinky in my book.
Crudos, this is the sighting device on a weapon that you will attempt to save your own life with, keep that in mind before you attach it to some hinky shit.
Noted TG, thanks. Definitely something I will do more research on before plunking down the cash.
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*Hinky*....thats a new one! :))
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Both of those are insanely expensive. [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
I have one of these on my AK and it holds a zero great and is solid as fuck.
Plus it's only $40.
only downside is that it doesn't work with folding stocks
http://www.amazon.com/AIM-7-62x39-Weaver-Scopes-Accessories/dp/B002ZVFEMG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1326487903&sr=8-4 (http://www.amazon.com/AIM-7-62x39-Weaver-Scopes-Accessories/dp/B002ZVFEMG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1326487903&sr=8-4)
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I've been fucking around for the past month trying to get a good co-witness on my AK.
All I have to say are two things.
1. Thank God for eBay.
2. Just get the Ultimak
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Forgot to mention that I've tried the RS 30mm Mount, the MI/US PALM handguard, and a few others.
All AK rifles are built differently. You just have to find what works for you.
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seems like it will get hot fast the upper hand gaurd is there for a reason.
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Blake, [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
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We gonna have beef TG?
:))
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How do you attach a rail to the reciever of the AK? Drill and tap?
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No problems RS, I just don't believe that without meaningful connections there is no point to mounting optics to a rifle.
I will say the same to a guy who is mounting to a two piece on an AR.
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I have to agree with ThatGuy. I tried a couple different rail mount options, including the texas weapons systems dogleg rail, and eventually I said "screw it" and picked up a cheap $30 UTG side rail mount, and haven't had a problem since. The rail I have for my handguard would also be a sufficient mounting platform (not sure the brand, but it's made for my saiga, and is VERY sturdy) and it allows me to maintain the use of my iron sights , but I need a little more elevation on the scope so the side rail mount is where it's at for me. AND it works with my folding stock. Only issue I have with it is that I'll have to grind a groove in the top rail and find a different set of rings to use my irons. Of course, it is a QD mount and since it has no problem with zero retention, the scope and mount can go into a dump pouch if I have need of unobstructed iron sights. For what it's worth, the 3-9x40 scope I have mounted is pretty sufficient for anything further than 25ft. Inside 25ft, I'm probably going with a pistol or my saiga 12 anyway.
(http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/133/7500385388954cd5a1a119c64e715c8e/l.jpg)
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Ok check this out, After watching how this mounts, it looks very trustworthy. http://youtu.be/51SFHoAuvVQ (http://youtu.be/51SFHoAuvVQ)
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Thanks for finding that Spirit. Looks solid to these non-expert eyes. Yeah, it's a bit pricey, but not horribly so in the grand scheme of the AK world.
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To be honest I don't think $129 is alot. Many people buy $600 aimpoint micro's. I think it looks like a good deal.
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Looks nice and sturdy. And its American made! [url=http://www.freesmileys.or
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If you guys won't let me talk you out of it just do me a solid and MAKE A VIDEO REVIEW! oh and if you could beat the shit out of it too that would be super!
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http://youtu.be/UZ-3-cfKM6w (http://youtu.be/UZ-3-cfKM6w)
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I wouldn't trust ANYTHING that "secures" to the dust cover.
There is no way that thing holds a zero, sure it's connected at the rear sight but there is no way that connection at the dust cover is secure. Ever seen slow-mo of an AK firing? that dust cover is a wobbly mother fucker, there's no getting around it.
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Ever seen slow-mo of an AK firing? that dust cover is a wobbly mother fucker, there's no getting around it.
LMAO...sorry that was just funny as hell to me.
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I wouldn't trust ANYTHING that "secures" to the dust cover.
There is no way that thing holds a zero, sure it's connected at the rear sight but there is no way that connection at the dust cover is secure. Ever seen slow-mo of an AK firing? that dust cover is a wobbly mother fucker, there's no getting around it.
It's an AK, not a multi-thousand dollar sub-moa sniper rifle, ffs. So what if the dust cover (and everything else on it) wobbles? It's a freakin' AK. Stuff like this is meant to give the firearm a fairly stable mount for a quick acquisition scope or sights. Is it perfect? Probably not, but from what I've seen the engineering, design, and implementation is sound.
Now repeat after me....It's a freakin' AK It's a freakin' AK It's a freakin' AK....... [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at
;D
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Well what do you guys make of this one?????
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2MWMIAKMDMBF-1.html (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2MWMIAKMDMBF-1.html)
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Well what do you guys make of this one?????
[url]http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2MWMIAKMDMBF-1.html[/url] ([url]http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2MWMIAKMDMBF-1.html[/url])
It works, It will hold a zero. Its more of a range use mount. Meaning its not as durable. The reason the akrs and this one works is it mounts into the rear sight.
http://youtu.be/HLhThTANx2g (http://youtu.be/HLhThTANx2g)
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I'd like to see everyone that's talking out of their ass on the dust cover mounted sight state for the record that if offered a free Valmet, Galil, R4, Krinkov.... they would turn down that pos because it has a less than useless cover mounted rear sight [url=http://yoursmiles.org/p-m
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I'd like to see everyone that's talking out of their ass on the dust cover mounted sight state for the record that if offered a free Valmet, Galil, R4, Krinkov.... they would turn down that pos because it has a less than useless cover mounted rear sight.
There is quite a bit of difference between using a galil's (or R4's) dust cover (ever tried to remove one of those fuckers?) for a rear aperture and using an AKM variant's dust cover to mount an actual optic. And Valmets are about 50/50, some have dust cover rear sights and some have AK style rear sights.
But thanks for telling me im talking out of my ass Columbo.
And the fact that Its an AK its an AK its an AK doesn't change the fact that it's best to have a rail that will hold a fucking zero, that is all.
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RS762: Maybe the AKARS system does hold zero? From viewing YouTube video's, it really hard to make substantive decisions on whether the mount holds zero or not. My guess is that this system will work great on some AK's and not so on others, given the wide variance and tolerances of AK builds out there. I didn't mean to come off as a smartass.
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RS762: Maybe the AKARS system does hold zero? From viewing YouTube video's, it really hard to make substantive decisions on whether the mount holds zero or not. My guess is that this system will work great on some AK's and not so on others, given the wide variance and tolerances of AK builds out there. I didn't mean to come off as a smartass.
It's all good buddy.
All im sayin' is im wary of dust cover optic mounts.
That's it.
Maybe this one is hella-fuckin-balls-to-the-wall-awesome, I don't know, i only suspect that it MIGHT not be.
If anyone has one that works, great, i've just personally never seen one that works.
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I was showing some serious lack of tact there, repeatable results and dependability are what matter. It's either good shit or just plain old shit.
Since flex came up I'll throw this into the conversation with an added flinch and poor hold thrown in for free.AK47 Barrel Flex - high speed video, 600fps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_E_GJayano#)
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I got to talk out of my ass, my head is up there most of the time. That doesn't change the mechanics of those designs.
IF you are going to trust your life to it why not get something that is 100%?
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IF you are going to trust your life to it why not get something that is 100%?
Its not just about prepping. If it was I would plan on buying a ar. I dig the ak and I dig this mount.
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Bumping the topic up for this YT vid....
Parabellum Armament AK Adaptive Rail System (AKARS) Review (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHp9m6VklE4#ws)
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well in my opinion but hey its just me if you have a receaver side mount i would get a Aimpoint T1 Micro AK Mount
RS Products Aimpoint T1 Micro AK Mount (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzCKXVXgKvU#ws)
that's what I'm rocking on my ARSENAL and i love it. it adds little weight with out changing the CG of the rifle. if not i would look
into the Attero Arms AK Micro Optics Mount How to install the Attero Arms AK Micro Optics Mount (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATWni9BB-Wk#ws)
it seams good but i haven't seen any extensive testing on it.
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Now that is what I am talking about SwampFox! That AimPoint mount looks rock solid.
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Texas weapon Systems has the best top cover and fore-rail I've ever seen or used.
Damaged Ind. has a nice fore-rail too though.