Safety valves and you, Your Gas Range.

[thatGuy]

Hey Gang,

So bad news everyone, my 10 year old $350 oven died! Who would have figured that the cheapest oven I could get a decade ago would have quit on me?

Never in my wildest dreams could I imagine what I would learn dealing with this.

Did you know that your modern oven will not work without power? Did you?

I bet you didn't.

You see the problem is that they use an electric igniter. You no longer need to waste gas with a pilot light and that is great but.. unless that igniter draws three amps the safety valve stays shut. No gas and no cooking for you.

Give it a try. Drag your stove out and unplug it.

You think that is bad? Lift up the top of your range see the oven control? Does it have wires instead of pipes? Look toward the back, see that valve with wires running into it? Yep.. You're fucked.

I don't know about you guys but I am going to keep my eyes peeled for an old Gas Oven/Range. How you add all that fancy shit to an old stove reversed is how you make it WROL ready again.

[gapatriot]

 [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co Great post man, havent fucked with any new gas stoves but in safety sally "i have to have the latest and greatest" america it makes since. My advice get on craigslist and find an old woodstove a real woodstove like with an oven and water heater.

[Kentactic]

All that natural gas talk and i need electricity still...fucking presidential candidates i swear...

[JohnyMac]

That Guy,
I wrote a review awhile back on the gas range we purchased for the cabin: http://straightprep.com/forum/index.php?topic=1493.msg15694#msg15694

Basically it is tougher than you would think to find a quality range that does not fire with an 'ignito switch' that is powered by electricity.

Give me a call if you want to chat about the Premier Range we purchased.

Edit: After typing the above response to your post I went to Premier's site to check on today's prices. I noticed that there was no pilot light stoves on their site anymore. So I sent them an email asking what gives. This was their response:

The Federal Government no longer allow the manufacture of standing gas pilot
ranges for use in the United States.  The closest model we have to the one
you purchased is the BFK5S9WP. 

Well we used a battery operated ignito on the boat for the propane range and they worked great however how dare the Federal government dictate to a manufacture to stop producing a product that works GREAT and posses no safety issues  [img]http://www.arrse.co.uk/at

Sorry man...Tried to help.

I just got this from Premier: http://www.thefederalregister.com/d.p/2009-04-08-E9-7545

[thatGuy]

That is why I recommended getting and old stove and making the conversion to modern safety valves yourself JMac, that way you have the ease, safety and convenience of a modern stove and a handful of parts that can't be bought in American anymore.

As to wood stoves.. great idea but I live in a fuel poor country.

[JohnyMac]

Yup I hear ya'.

As a side note:
A wood cooking stove is great EXCEPT in the summer. 

That is why many homes, pre1900 had outside cooking sheds. Many Amish today, still use outside cooking sheds in the summer.

[EJR914]

Great post man, havent fucked with any new gas stoves but in safety sally "i have to have the latest and greatest" america it makes since. My advice get on craigslist and find an old woodstove a real woodstove like with an oven and water heater.

 [URL=http://www.smileyvault.co

[JohnyMac]

To your point EJR, there a lot of nice cooking stoves out there: http://www.lehmans.com/store/Stoves___Cook_Stoves___Wood_Burning_Cook_Stoves___Baker_s_Choice_Wood_Cookstoves___bakerchoice#PBCPBCR

Finding a used one in good working order, depending on what part of the country you live; is tough.

[Kentactic]

Couldnt you take run of the mill gas valves like used in propane BBQ's and rig your own stove. use the little push button igniter and all? If leakage is a concern then put a seperate shutoff in reach. thoughts?

[thatGuy]

Ken, you could cobble something together for sure. Stove burner, elbow, nipple, and assorted adapters. Maybe some light metal work for a stand.

No problem  [url=http://www.freesmileys.or

[Kentactic]

Ken, you could cobble something together for sure. Stove burner, elbow, nipple, and assorted adapters. Maybe some light metal work for a stand.

No problem 

Is copper piping soldered together safe for a gas application or is it risky being it can heat the solder up? im kind of answering my own question as i type this lol.. but it would be a breeze if you could throw together copper like that. Not that normal fittings is that much harder.

[JohnyMac]

Gents, you can always contact a Range company and buy spare parts. The ranges are outlawed in the US but not the parts.

By the way, you can still buy the Premier Ranges in Canada and Mexico.  if you know what I mean. 

[thatGuy]

I was thinking steel lines and compression fittings. They are easy enough to work with.

But yes copper could be good and bad