Virus

[Nemo]

Move south.   Maybe Trump was right about the summer heat?

Nemo

https://news.yahoo.com/sunlight-destroys-coronavirus-very-quickly-new-government-tests-find-but-experts-say-pandemic-could-still-last-through-summer-200745675.html

Sunlight destroys virus quickly, new govt. tests find, but experts say pandemic could last through summer
Jana Winter and Sharon Weinberger,
Yahoo News • April 17, 2020


Preliminary results from government lab experiments show that the coronavirus does not survive long in high temperatures and high humidity, and is quickly destroyed by sunlight, providing evidence from controlled tests of what scientists believed — but had not yet proved — to be true.

A briefing on the preliminary results, marked for official use only and obtained by Yahoo News, offers hope that summertime may offer conditions less hospitable for the virus, though experts caution it will by no means eliminate, or even necessarily decrease, new cases of COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus. The results, however, do add an important piece of knowledge that the White House’s science advisers have been seeking as they scramble to respond to the spreading pandemic.

The study found that the risk of “transmission from surfaces outdoors is lower during daylight” and under higher temperature and humidity conditions. “Sunlight destroys the virus quickly,” reads the briefing.

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[Nemo]

But on that heat thing.

Nemo


https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Coronavirus-can-survive-prolonged-exposure-to-high-temperatures-study-625118

Coronavirus can survive prolonged exposure to high temperatures - study
The researchers concluded that using chemicals rather than heat to disinfect would be the best way to go.
By TAMAR BEERI   APRIL 19, 2020 12:45

The novel COVID-19, despite previous suspicions, is capable of surviving prolonged exposure to high temperatures, according to a study by the University of Aix-Marseille in France, led by Professor Remi Charrel and Boris Pastorino.
In the experiment, scientists found that typically hot temperatures of 60°Celsius (140° Fahrenheit) used to disinfect research labs are ineffective against the coronavirus. Instead, the pathogen may only be killed in a maintained temperature of 92 °C for 15 minutes.

Two swabs were taken from the kidney cells of an African green monkey which was infected with coronavirus. One swab was heated as is while the other was used with animal proteins "to simulate the biological contamination found in real samples," according to the Daily Mail.

When heated to 60 °C for an hour, however, the virus stayed on the latter and even replicated at the prolonged high temperature, indicating that the virus, even after the regular disinfection process in a lab, may still linger.

When disinfected at 92 °C, the virus is seemingly successfully wiped out, but because its RNA gets damaged in the process, the sensitivity of the check is harmed.

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[JoJo]

 YING AND YANG

[sledge]

So much for summer weather causing it to die out until next season.  This will just add to the suspicions that it is a designed virus.

[Nemo]

And one more.

Nemo


https://video.foxnews.com/v/6150766898001#sp=show-clips

Dr. Siegel busts myth that COVID-19 can survive in high temperatures
Apr. 20, 2020 - 2:48 - 

Dr. Marc Siegel casts doubt on a new coronavirus study saying the illness can survive at high temperatures

[pkveazey]

Well,,,,, I guess the old platitude of, "Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see", is the way to go. There are knuckleheads out there saying there should be sanctions on China for starting this virus. Hmmmmmmm….. Wait a minute. What about the US starting the virus under Obama's watch and the $3.7 million Dr. Fauci gave China's Wuhan Laboratory to continue the research when our government put a moratorium on researching the virus because it didn't serve a good purpose and might be highly dangerous. What's going to happen when that dog comes home to bite us in the ass? I think I'll just continue to be careful and see how all the outright lying and other deceptions play out. Who gives a crap about where the snake came from. I just don't want to get bitten by it.

[JoJo]

Who gives a crap about where the snake came from. I just don't want to get bitten by it.

AMEN brother.

[gadget99]

Who gives a crap about where the snake came from. I just don't want to get bitten by it.

AMEN brother.

Agreed.......

I understand fully why there is so much focus on arguing the cause or causes of our current situation.

We should not let that distract us from focusing on the effects of the situation.

Hope all are and will be well......

[grizz]

How can all the exerts be right and still not agree with each other?

[Kbop]

How can all the exerts be right and still not agree with each other?

Have you ever heard the story of the blind men and the elephant?

IMHO, the overall picture of our 'time' will be in hindsight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

[gadget99]

Well.....

Short update.

Still in lockdown here. Been a bit of a hard few weeks. The virus has been affecting us a bit.

Close friends have the funeral for their uncle this Friday.

A buddy from my old unit in Panama is still in ICU fighting it in Ohio. Still intubated but O2 levels are coming up. Kid is still in his 40s so hoping he pulls through for a good long life.

My 19yr old son has been working in a small care home for the last three years. They have been fighting an outbreak in the home. He had a breakdown last night from the pressure. So we have convinced him that he has done enough. He gave all that he had. The Gov here is not even recording infections or deaths associated with the virus outside of hospitals.

Aside from all of that we are doing ok. All of our preparations have been instituted and this has put us on a good footing to manage whatever gets thrown at us.

Cheers all

[JohnyMac]

God Bless Gadget99!

[gadget99]

God Bless Gadget99!

Thanks JM.

We will be ok. Just going to be a rocky road for a good while.

[JoJo]

God Bless Gadget99!

 Same here.
 
I know how you feel, I have a daughter-in law a granddaughter and a grandson that are nurses. Two in New Jersey hospitals and one in an up state Delaware hospital.   

[gadget99]

God Bless Gadget99!

 Same here.
 
I know how you feel, I have a daughter-in law a granddaughter and a grandson that are nurses. Two in New Jersey hospitals and one in an up state Delaware hospital.

Our thoughts will also be with you and yours.

The heros of the day are those fighting to save lives and keeping essential services going.

[gadget99]

Hi All,

Just a real quick update on what is happening here in the UK.

First off. All of my info and opinions are based upon a UK perspective. I have not been back to the US since moving to the UK in 2004. So I am not qualified to offer opinion on a US perspective.

If I accidentally do or seem to do so. Please forgive me for doing so.

Now with that said. The Prime Minister is back to work today and delivered a speech that to be honest is going to go down in history. I would post a link. Yet it is going to be all over the news and internet.

So I believe that Boris Johnson is the first world leader to have had this virus bad enough to need treatment in ICU. So he has first hand experience.

So for the UK and its needs he is in firm control with clear direction on how the country is going to manage this challenge.

What the country needs.

[Kbop]

thanks for that update
- don't chug clorox is the best advice i've gotten here.

[Nemo]

Might want to make that May grocery shopping trip a bit early.  Hunt up some extra garden seeds too!

Nemo

https://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/food-supply-chain-breaking-tyson-foods-chairman-claims-plant-coronavirus-closures

FOOD
Published 8 hours ago
'Food supply chain is breaking,' Tyson Foods chairman says as processing plants continue to close
By Michael Bartiromo | Fox News

The chairman of Tyson Foods has issued a stark warning to Americans following the shuttering of multiple meat processing plants across the country: “The food supply chain is breaking.”

In an open letter published as a full-page ad in Sunday’s New York Times, Washington Post and Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, John H. Tyson outlined Tyson Foods’ response to the ongoing coronavirus health crisis, but hinted that further closures — not only of Tyson Foods facilities, but competitors’ facilities as well — would put stress on the nation’s food supply.

"Millions of animals – chickens, pigs and cattle – will be depopulated because of the closure of our processing facilities. The food supply chain is breaking," wrote John H. Tyson, Tyson Foods' chairman of the board.

In recent weeks, Tyson Foods has been forced to temporarily pause operations at a number of plants following outbreaks of COVID-19, or because of staffing shortages caused by the pandemic.

“In addition to meat shortages, this is a serious food waste issue,” Tyson claimed. “Farmers across the nation simply will not have anywhere to sell their livestock to be processed, when they could have fed the nation. Millions of animals – chickens, pigs and cattle – will be depopulated because of the closure of our processing facilities. The food supply chain is breaking.”

Tyson said the company had adopted several new practices to prevent the spread of COVID-19 at its processing facilities, including new social distancing requirements, workstation dividers, deep cleanings, and temperature screenings (some performed by infrared “walkthrough” scanners), among other precautionary measures.

Still, Tyson said the supply chain will remain “vulnerable” and confirmed a “limited supply of our products” until its own plants could reopen.

“The government bodies at the national, state and county levels must unite in a comprehensive way to allow our team members to work in safety without fear, panic or worry,” he wrote. “The private and public sectors must come together.”
Tyson Foods formed a coronavirus task force in January in an attempt to protect workers and the facility from an outbreak.

A representative for Tyson Foods told Fox News on Monday that its facilities were currently “running at reduced levels of production,” and were working hard to remain open. “But if it is the right decision to shut down more facilities, we will do so.”

Tyson’s full-page ads come less than a week after the company was forced to suspend operations at its largest pork plant in Waterloo, Iowa. The company also temporarily shuttered plants in Indiana, Washington and another in Iowa. As of last week, four Tyson Foods employees had been reported to have died of coronavirus.

Tyson's announcement is just the latest upset to the meat industry, and potentially the U.S. food supply.

JBS, one of the largest meat processing companies in the world, closed several of its U.S. facilities in response to COVID-19 outbreaks, the latest of which temporarily suspended operations just this Sunday, Bloomberg reported. And Smithfield Foods, the largest pork processor in the nation, closed its Sioux Falls plant after hundreds of its employees tested positive for COVID-19. The president and CEO warned of “severe, perhaps disastrous” consequences from the closures.

The president and CEO of Smithfield Foods said the closure of its Sioux Falls plant (not pictured), along with the temporary shuttering of other meat-processing plants, "is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply." (Daniel Acker/Bloomberg via Getty Images)

“The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply,” Kenneth M. Sullivan, of Smithfield, said in a media release earlier this month.

Fox News' Alexandra Deabler contributed to this report.

[pkveazey]

Yep. I've been telling the locals around here that food was going to be the next issue before the final collapse. Well, I've already seen some items that are hard to find. The non-prepper community is hot on the trail of perishable food items when they actually should be loading up on non-perishables like Brown Rice and Dried beans. When you get hungry, Brown Rice and Beans tastes mighty good. I'm very happy that we decided to live out here in the country because there are going to be opportunities here that are not going to be available in town. There is a Bee Keeper just two miles west of me. many of the Farmers grow Peanuts, Soya Beans, Wheat, and Corn. Hmmmmmm…… That reminds me of that song, "I will survive".

[JoJo]

 I too live in an area surrounded by farms. One farm has wheat 18" tall already and corn fields are being prepared as soy bean fields.
 My wife is almost cured from normalcy bias as she has been stocking up on meat and non perishables. She said today "What about food you just add water to"

[pkveazey]

I too live in an area surrounded by farms. One farm has wheat 18" tall already and corn fields are being prepared as soy bean fields.
 My wife is almost cured from normalcy bias as she has been stocking up on meat and non perishables. She said today "What about food you just add water to"

We bought some freeze dried food after testing Wise and Mountain House. They both tasted OK but the Wise was way more constipating. I got our family Dr, interested in doing a little prepping and I told him to be careful of that freeze dried food he bought. I told him to drink plenty of water afterward or he'd be making round bricks. I also told him to hold off eating that stuff until all the other food was gone.

[Nemo]

On the freeze dried commercial stuff, be sure to check the Sodium levels.  Some have a full day limit plus in one meal.

Nemo

[Kbop]

my favorite lookout is most calories in the 'kit' being sugary drinks.
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[pkveazey]

WOW!!! I got a big surprise today. Our Family Doctor, who is also a friend, has not been to work in April until today. He called me on the phone today to see how the wife and I were doing. We chatted for about 30 minutes. Our County has had 28 positives. Of those, he had 2 cases at his office. One 70 year old man passed away from it. I asked if the fellow had other medical issues. He said that the fellow did have a bunch of other medical issues. He will be starting to see patients again but they will be in a very secure setting. It will not be business as usual. He pointed something out to me that I hadn't even considered. He said that it is his opinion that people who have a large exposure to the virus have more chance to get it. He didn't mean often exposures but large doses of exposure. Medical personnel have both, often and large doses of exposure and that's why he thinks they are in the highest risk category. Hmmmmmm…… I guess that is why his office was only doing telephone work with his patients. I filled him in on all my conspiracy theories about this mess. I mentioned Bill Gate's roll in all this and he jumped right on that one. He said Bill Gates wants to have everybody vaccinated but Bill Gates refuses to be vaccinated for any disease. Hmmmmmm…. Isn't that odd. Hmmmmm….. More like suspicious. I mentioned the collapsing economy and how it was already falling when this convenient virus showed up to take the blame. I told him that when all this virus stuff is gone and forgotten, we'll be in an economic crash that will be massive. By the way, he is a Minnie Prepper. That's what I call people who are aware and are taking a few precautions but aren't full blown food, cash, and ammunition hoarders.

[gadget99]

WOW!!! I got a big surprise today. Our Family Doctor, who is also a friend, has not been to work in April until today. He called me on the phone today to see how the wife and I were doing. We chatted for about 30 minutes. Our County has had 28 positives. Of those, he had 2 cases at his office. One 70 year old man passed away from it. I asked if the fellow had other medical issues. He said that the fellow did have a bunch of other medical issues. He will be starting to see patients again but they will be in a very secure setting. It will not be business as usual. He pointed something out to me that I hadn't even considered. He said that it is his opinion that people who have a large exposure to the virus have more chance to get it. He didn't mean often exposures but large doses of exposure. Medical personnel have both, often and large doses of exposure and that's why he thinks they are in the highest risk category. Hmmmmmm…… I guess that is why his office was only doing telephone work with his patients. I filled him in on all my conspiracy theories about this mess. I mentioned Bill Gate's roll in all this and he jumped right on that one. He said Bill Gates wants to have everybody vaccinated but Bill Gates refuses to be vaccinated for any disease. Hmmmmmm…. Isn't that odd. Hmmmmm….. More like suspicious. I mentioned the collapsing economy and how it was already falling when this convenient virus showed up to take the blame. I told him that when all this virus stuff is gone and forgotten, we'll be in an economic crash that will be massive. By the way, he is a Minnie Prepper. That's what I call people who are aware and are taking a few precautions but aren't full blown food, cash, and ammunition hoarders.

They have been reporting the virus load theory over here in the UK a bit also.

This is being looked into very seriously by many institutions here in europe. The thought is that the load of virus a person is exposed to is related to how serious the outcome. This would go a long way towards explaining the otherwise healthy medical providers that have died from this virus.