Virus

[JoJo]

Still traveling internationally every month..
I cant hunker down, this is the highest salary I have ever had.

Every single month I save as much ,as previously i would have been lucky, to save up in a year.
Hope to be able to extend this gig thru the entire outbreak (which is currently uncertain)

 Good luck to you, make a ton and stay healthy 

[Kbop]

He never said that!

 
Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
 I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work. This is just more Fake News and disinformation put out by the Democrats, in particular MSDNC. Comcast covers the CoronaVirus situation horribly, only looking to do harm to the incredible & successful effort being made!


 https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/03/05/president-trump-i-never-said-people-that-are-feeling-sick-should-go-to-work/

JoJo, i listened to the Hannity show again - You're right.  He was making light of the situation - but didn't suggest anyone go to work sick.

[Nemo]

You aren't playing with strange virii and chemicals are you? 

Nemo

[Jackalope]

    Did Trump seem to have trouble breathing tonight during the speech?  That was the speech he should have given two weeks ago.  It may be too late now.

[JoJo]

 Quite a step to cut off the world. Had to wait until the Wuhan virus was called a pandemic is my guess.

[Nemo]

Had to wait for that declaration by the WHO.  If he did it prior it would be racist (as is calling it the Chinese Corona) and isolationist, abandoning the world and all kinds of other bad things.

He might even have turned into a dog faced pony soldier.

Nemo

[pkveazey]

    Did Trump seem to have trouble breathing tonight during the speech?  That was the speech he should have given two weeks ago.  It may be too late now.

Nope. I watched it and he read the speech. When he does that, he doesn't sound normal. You must have picked up the breathing thing from one of the mainstream media news shows. They couldn't find fault with the speech so that's what they reported. I hate it when ANY President reads their speech because somebody else wrote it and its never natural sounding. I did notice when he slipped the Stock Market comment in there. What a load of bullshit. The Stock Market dropped another 2700 points today. I'm not buying the hype that the virus is causing the stocks to drop. The Federal Reserve is totally at fault.

[grizz]

I'm still shocked at everyone who is panicking over this thing, its not that bad!!!

The reaction (over reaction!) to it is VERY bad and doing more harm than good

[DMCakhunter]

Some people are starting to wake up and are now pissing themselves in a panic.

[pkveazey]

This virus thing is perfect for reminding us Preppers how the stupid ass public will react in an emergency. While I certainly don't want to get the virus, I'm totally aware that its being hyped as the cause of the economic collapse that has just begun. Its great when you can blame a sickness for all your troubles and not put the blame on the actual people who caused it.

[Kbop]

The panic is a sign that people are taking this seriously.  I guess it could be worse.

@PkVeazey they always blame the pin, not the bubble.

[patriotman]

Moved my response to http://unchainedpreppers.com/forum/general-off-topic/panic-in-the-year-2020 as it is more relevant there

[Nemo]

And we started it.  Not China. 

Nemo


https://amac.us/chinese-official-blames-us-for-introducing-coronavirus-to-wuhan-says-us-owes-us-an-explanation

Coronavirus / Opinion / Politics
Chinese Official Blames US For Introducing Coronavirus To Wuhan, Says US ‘Owes Us An Explanation’
Posted Friday, March 13, 2020   |   By Outside Contributor 

coronavirusA Chinese official suggested Thursday that the United States officials introduced the coronavirus into China’s Wuhan region as the virus makes its way to the West from the communist nation.

“The director of the US Centers for Disease Control was arrested,” Lijian Zhao, deputy director of China’s Foreign Ministry Information Department, said in a tweet suggesting Centers For Disease Control Robert Redfield was apprehended by authorities. Redfield was not arrested.

Zhao went on to accuse the U.S. of starting the pandemic.

    1/2 美国疾病控制与预防中心(CDC)主任罗伯特·雷德菲尔德(Robert Redfield)周三在众议院监督委员会承认，一些似乎死于流感的美国人在死后的诊断中被检测出新型#冠状病毒呈阳性。#COVID19 pic.twitter.com/vYNZRFPWo3

    — Lijian Zhao 赵立坚 (@zlj517) March 12, 2020

He added: “When did Patient Zero appear in the United States? How many people are infected? What is the name of the hospital? It may be that the US military brought the epidemic to Wuhan. America needs to be transparent! The United States owes us an explanation!”

The first case of COVID-19 is believed to have appeared December 2019 in Wuhan, China. The virus has spread since February to 36 other countries and territories and has a global death toll of 3,041, according to the CDC‘s numbers.

Deaths from the virus in China hit 811 on Feb. 9, surpassing the number of patients who died from SARS, China’s National Health Commission noted at the time. China has reported roughly 80,000 cases since February, though the number of cases in the country appears to be declining.

Meanwhile, the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. is growing, with more than 1,000 in 39 states as the World Health Organization declared a global pandemic Wednesday. A global pandemic is defined as a virus that spreads across the world, and declaring an illness as such can have both political and economic consequences.

China found its own way to deal with the initial outbreak. Zhao’s government’s censors reportedly worked to suppress information about the virus as health professionals in the country spread their concern on a Chinese app called WeChat. They even punished officials who discretely warned superiors before it became a pandemic.

[grizz]

The panic is a sign that people are taking this seriously.  I guess it could be worse.

@PkVeazey they always blame the pin, not the bubble.

The virus/panic is being used to introduce more govt control.

The virus/panic is being used to control the debates, control the speeches and eventually control the election.

Some elections have already been pushed back and I'm sure others will be too.

joe will get spanked up one side and down the other if he debates Bernie one on one and the dems/establishment/deepstate cant allow that to happen.

And so far we've only had about 50 people in the US die from this virus, yes its a bad thing but not worth this much panic

[Kbop]

The R0 of this is over 2 - its a novel virus so no heard immunity.  if the social distancing doesn't work this equates to about 75-80 percent of the population catching the virus.  The death rate is about 1% the serious case rate is around 10%.  this mirrors, roughly, China and Italy.
so, in the USofA , in a worst case scenario you would expect 240+ million will catch the virus.  24M will get sick enough to be bed ridden for a few days and may need medical assistance of varying degrees. Lastly 2.5M will die from the disease.

if the death rate proves out - then its the disease not propaganda or a power grab and the .gov underplayed the threat.
if the death rate is more in the 10,000 range - i'll agree its a power grab, especially if the govt doesn't release the controls in place.  you know, like the feds canceling the election cycle because of the virus 

we should only have a few months wait to see how it plays out.  it looks like we've hit the inflection point on the curve - a mnemonic from my earlier years  "Case, case, cluster, cluster, cluster, cluster, Boom."

here is a benchmark to compare with:
2019-2020 flu in the USofA - 13M cases, 120K hospitalizations and 6.6K dead.
source https://www.contagionlive.com/news/cdc-reports-13-million-flu-cases-thus-far-in-201920-season

[grizz]

The R0 of this is over 2 - its a novel virus so no heard immunity.  if the social distancing doesn't work this equates to about 75-80 percent of the population catching the virus.  The death rate is about 1% the serious case rate is around 10%.  this mirrors, roughly, China and Italy.
so, in the USofA , in a worst case scenario you would expect 240+ million will catch the virus.  24M will get sick enough to be bed ridden for a few days and may need medical assistance of varying degrees. Lastly 2.5M will die from the disease.

if the death rate proves out - then its the disease not propaganda or a power grab and the .gov underplayed the threat.
if the death rate is more in the 10,000 range - i'll agree its a power grab, especially if the govt doesn't release the controls in place.  you know, like the feds canceling the election cycle because of the virus 

we should only have a few months wait to see how it plays out.  it looks like we've hit the inflection point on the curve - a mnemonic from my earlier years  "Case, case, cluster, cluster, cluster, cluster, Boom."

here is a benchmark to compare with:
2019-2020 flu in the USofA - 13M cases, 120K hospitalizations and 6.6K dead.
source https://www.contagionlive.com/news/cdc-reports-13-million-flu-cases-thus-far-in-201920-season

I read another article that stated 12k deaths from the flu since oct 2019. Either way the common flu is much more deadly than this virus and the panic is media/deepstate driven

[gadget99]

I understand people have different beliefs and theories on this Pandemic.

I must point out a clarification of the death rate on this to this point. Based upon the reported data. That is the confirmed cases tested. The death rate on the global numbers is hovering around 3.4%. Is it possible it is lower due to their being cases that have not been tested? Yes but that is an non measured item. So cannot be fully relied upon.

We know the outcome of a person hospitalized is dependent upon the quality of care provided. So if the quantity of people that require pulmonary intervention support out numbers the capacity within the medical system. The death rate soars. This is what they believe is happening in Italy due to the higher ratio of elderly in the populace.

I am and will not try and convince anyone to see things as I do. Each adult is responsible for their own lives.

Now with that said I will give an update on the UK.

The UK Government has made clear that their deaired end state is for the population to gain herd immunity. To gain that they need at least 60% of the 66 million population to have had the virus. This is direct from the head science advisor.

They are going to stop testing people unless they are hospitalized. They say people that feel they have the symptoms should self quarantine for 7 days. Only call for help if they start to have trouble breathing.

Schools are to stay open and they may pass a law next week allowing the police to force schools to stay open.

They are taking very little precautions in light of this as you can see.

This translates to the appearance that they are allowing for uncontrolled open transmission of the virus amongst the population. Writing off those that perish from this as an acceptable loss in attaining the desired results.

This is in direct opposition to the advice that the WHO recommends for any epidemic.

My prediction is that unless action is taken. We in the UK will experience something that makes what is happening in Italy look like a tea party.

Others can form their own opinions on this.

I however have already activated our contingency plans for long term shtf situations. Getting the garden ready for planting. Setting up for loss of domestic services. Reviewing security precautions and such.

I hope everyone else here has a safe time during this.

[Kbop]

Grizz, I hope you are right.

found on twitter - CoViD-19 is being called 'the Boomer Remover' by Millennials.

[grizz]

Grizz, I hope you are right.

found on twitter - CoViD-19 is being called 'the Boomer Remover' by Millennials.

Those idiots are too stupid to realize that they are running towards the boomers whenever they need a safe place, cookies, roof over their heads, food, a job (not so much for the jobs) or anything related to everyday life because they're too lazy to be self-reliant in any form.....

[Nemo]

Some new info estimates.  We need to remember to keep an eye on this.  Not let the "new" news of the day shove things away.

Nemo

https://dnyuz.com/2020/03/13/the-worst-case-estimate-for-u-s-coronavirus-deaths/

The Worst-Case Estimate for U.S. Coronavirus Deaths
March 13, 2020, in News, U.S., 10 min read

Officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and epidemic experts from universities around the world conferred last month about what might happen if the new coronavirus gained a foothold in the United States. How many people might die? How many would be infected and need hospitalization?

One of the agency’s top disease modelers, Matthew Biggerstaff, presented the group on the phone call with four possible scenarios — A, B, C and D — based on characteristics of the virus, including estimates of how transmissible it is and the severity of the illness it can cause. The assumptions, reviewed by The New York Times, were shared with about 50 expert teams to model how the virus could tear through the population — and what might stop it.

The C.D.C.’s scenarios were depicted in terms of percentages of the population. Translated into absolute numbers by independent experts using simple models of how viruses spread, the worst-case figures would be staggering if no actions were taken to slow transmission.

Between 160 million and 214 million people in the U.S. could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to one projection. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.

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continued (and worth the click and read)

[Jackalope]

    And how many people will succumb to the secondary effects of the virus?  When the JIT delivery system isn't working and folks are going hungry, there will be home invasions, people stealing food from stores, farms, and rural locations.  How about the reported increased death rates for those that have the misfortune of getting reinfecting by the Chinese virus?  From all the medical reports I've read, this bio-engineered Chinese virus has a much higher death rate than the typical flu.   We can discuss this again, maybe in July, if we're all here and the internet and power grid are still functioning.

[Nemo]

I read another article that stated 12k deaths from the flu since oct 2019. Either way the common flu is much more deadly than this virus and the panic is media/deepstate driven

Keep in mind this is just getting started in the US.  Look at Italy where it got going a month or so back.

Excellent overview of how we got here to where we are going to go. According to this very will qualified gentleman its gonna be a bumpy ride.

At the end he gets into our BIG issue with China. That the real scary part.

A real good 15 minute analysis below.

Nemo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts


Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)
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How Serious is the Coronavirus? Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm Explains | Joe Rogan
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Osterholm
Michael T. Osterholm is an American public-health scientist and a biosecurity and infectious-disease expert.[1] Osterholm is the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota and a Regents Professor, the McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, a Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the University of Minnesota Medical School,[2] all at the University of Minnesota.[3] He is also on the Board of Regents at Luther College in Decorah, Iowa.[4]

[gadget99]

Hi all,

Just a quick note.

While my report on the UK situation presents a grim picture.

Myself and my own are in a very good position to weather this storm. I essence three years ago we bugged out by moving home.

While still in the UK. We are in a unique place.

Feel free to look up the Isle Of Wight.

As a family we have planned for this for years. We have plans upon plans to enact as needed.

So while we are in very good shape. My reports paint a picture of what the average citizen in the UK is or may be facing. Grim as it may be.

We live in an age of stupidity. This have been so good for so long in the western countries. That the ability to make good decisions based upon common sense gas been lost by much of the populace. So be it. Mother nature is just taking the time to kick us in the balls to remind us that lire is not all fairy dust and utopian bliss.

Peace all

[JohnyMac]

Hey Gaget.

Good to hear all is well.

Stay Frosty Brother. 

[Nemo]

Looking like fatality rate is running about 9%.  As of numbers right now.

Nemo


https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Total Deaths
7,948

Total Recovered
81,947