Fish antibiotics

[JoJo]

This might have been posted before but a reminder is always good.

   
 
Fish Antibiotics For Preparedness
August 31, 2016, by Ken Jorgustin

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Among the many articles that I’ve read regarding ‘fish antibiotics’ being the same thing as antibiotics prescribed for humans, I recall a few articles over on Rawles website. One of them, written by a doctor (who is apparently into prepping), ordered a variety of ‘fish antibiotics’ for his preps – to discover that these antibiotics were the same that he would otherwise prescribe to his patients.

    When the bottles arrived, I dug out my photographic drug reference and found that these are indeed the same pills that are given to humans, right down to the tablet color and markings.

    It makes business sense. It costs less for drug manufacturers to have one production line for each drug, rather than to build a separate process exclusively for veterinary medicines.

    These are the same generic antibiotics that can be found on many pharmacy formularies.

Here’s a list of some of the ‘fish antibiotics’:


 

Disclaimer: Nothing in this article constitutes medical advice. It is for information purposes only. It is not meant to diagnose or treat any disease. Never take any medication that was not prescribed specifically for you by your physician. Hopefully, this information can help you be a more informed and involved patient. Short of a true post-SHTF scenario, I strongly advise you not to self-diagnose and treat.

 
Our long time sponsor (Tom) over at CampingSurvival.com sources these ‘fish antibiotics’ from Thomas Labs, the “leader and innovator in pet health products for dogs, cats, fish and farm animals.”

 
Penicillin (Fish-Pen)
Today, penicillin is only used as first choice for one infection– strep throat. That’s it.

Ampicillin (Fish-Cillin)
A good choice for strep throat, sinus infections, ear infections, some urinary tract infections, pneumonia, meningitis.

Amoxicillin (Fish-Mox)
Amoxicillin is used for basically the same infections as ampicillin with the addition of being effective against lyme disease and stomach ulcers. A probable first choice to have this one of the three penicillin’s.

Cephalexin (Fish-Flex)
Also known as Keflex. Effective against streps and the staphs. Important: Staph aureus (Staph – the #1 cause of wound infections worldwide).

Ciprofloxicin (Fish-Flox)
Broad-spectrum. First line agent for complicated UTI’s and kidney infections, bone and joint infections, typhoid, prostatitis, abdominal infections, gonorrhea, plague, and anthrax.
Note: Cipro carries a Black Box warning because it is associated with tendonitis and tendon rupture (most often the Achilles tendon… 1 out of a 1,000 chance).

Doxycycline (Fish-Doxy)
Broad-spectrum. The preferred agent in treating Chlamydia, Typhus and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, and Cholera. Doxy will also work against Anthrax, Plague, Tularemia, and Legionnaires disease. While not FDA approved for this, it will also treat Lyme disease.
Note: Doxy should be taken on an empty stomach. Should not be taken by children under age 8 or by pregnant women.

Metronidazole (Fish-Zole)
Known under its trade name, Flagyl. Broad-spectrum. Used for STD’s. Used for Clostridium difficile (or C. diff, as it is often abbreviated). It can kill some parasites – often used to treat Giardia lamblia (via contaminated water). Used for infections suspected to be caused by dental abscesses, aspiration pneumonia, intra-abdominal infections, lung abscesses, stomach ulcers caused by the bacteria Heliobacter pylori, and tetanus.

Clindamycin (Fish-Cin)
Very broad-spectrum. Able to kill a wide variety of both aerobic gram positive (streps and staphs) and anaerobic gram negative bacteria, but gram negative aerobes (like C. diff) are resistant. Most strains of CA-MRSA are killed by Clinda. A first line agent for skin and soft tissue infections (streps and staphs), pelvic infections, intra-abdominal infections (like peritonitis and diverticulitis), lung infections caused by Strep pneumo (lung abscesses, pneumonia, and empyema), bacterial vaginosis, and CA-MRSA.

 
Related: The Survival Medicine Handbook

 
Note: Do your due-diligence. This is not medical advice.


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[JohnyMac]

I just Sticky'd this. Thx JoJo 

[Grudgie]

It would also be helpful if someone knowledgeable could list recommended dosages and duration.

[Felix]

Dosage is discussed in human focus articles.
The sticky part is measuring the correct dosages for the drugs (often in powder form when aimed at aquariums).
I've used them to good advantage at (approximate) levels and the bitter tastes without encapsulation is off scale.  Yech!!!!
 All should be carefully measured and put into gel caps.
An an example when shopping (no recommendation per se) would be something like: https://www.vitaminlife.com/index/page/product/product_id/5474/product_name/Empty+Gelatin+Capsules+Size+0+?msclkid=f15926e622661e89618c79b20db00e3b&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping%20-%20VL&utm_term=4580359290501120&utm_content=All%20Products

A wide selection stored in refrigerator, dark, cool stable temps.
Include a printed "Cliff's Notes" of which to use for what/when.

[Nemo]

As far as measuring, how about powder scales.  They can measure in grains which work out 7000 per pound.  Check my math to get to the 100mg dose but is that doable?  Reliable? 

So, calculate with 454 grams per pound, a pound is 454,000mg and 100 mg equals 1/10 of a gram which .454 grams.
 
7000 grains equaling 454 grams equals 15.4 grains per gram.

and 1/10 gram works out 1.54 grains. 

250mg calculates out to 3.85 grain.

My scales will do that.

AGAIN, CHECK AND CORRECT THE MATH.  More importantly is the idea sound.

Nemo

[mfitzy111]

I have two concerns - first one is in 2022 the Biden admin pushed to make selling fish antibiotics illegal online -drying up supply. Good news it's not something I see as being enforced. Chewy had them (last reviews in 2020). was $15/30ct 500mg. (looks like they actually are only doing scripts now).

The second is if you do not have "where there is no doctor" in your library you should!!!!! btw I'm not a Dr, and this isn't medical advice, it's information, for informational purposes.

You really need to get this book, because that gives you all the basic information on dosage that you would need. The fish antibiotics are the same as what you would buy at the pharmacy for humans. I had secured a supply of fishmox (amoxicillin), fishpen (Penicillin) just before I started hearing places I could buy it were no longer selling it online.

I'm still seeing some places online with sales so maybe it's not being enforced. ymmv. I don't want to post where, because you can google and find it without me saying hardy paw.

The items I had picked up were solid pills that could be cut down from 500mg to 250mg. Using a cheap pill cutter. That was good news to me, turning a 30 day supply in to a 90 day supply. My end goal is to only use it 10 days at a time for whatever fits the bill. Most of the info I found in that book was using it for bacteria infections 250mgx10 days is pretty common, but you need to read up and figure out what your issue is and find the correct amount over the right time. The book gives you diag info in laymans terms, and suggests the best drugs to use for recovery.

also you need to keep in mind when to actually use any antibiotics because they don't work on colds (viruses), but if you get sinusitis/bronchitis after 7-10 days of being sick it's no longer virial its bacteria. That is when you need them. You don't want to be popping them for a cold, because it won't work -and you risk creating an issue of making the antibiotic less likely to work when you do need it.

in certain places online ivermectin imported from india/canada/mexico, also. doctors can do a tele-conference and prescribe items for emergency use -(there is a ton of propaganda against these guys because they cost big pharma big money and messed them up during covid19 stuff.).  The iver helps with a wide variety of aliments. The person who created it actually won a nobel prize in the 80s because it wasn't just horse dewormer, even if it's used for that. It also has been safely used across the planet on humans since the 80s. It is sold OTC in Mexico City airports, and is generally considered safe.
(of course the US propaganda against it was so the EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) could be used to get millions jabed.  Someone either did this for money, power or depopulation.  Your level of discernment will tell you.

Fenben - 222/444.  Another anti parasitic - @Nemo - I picked up a 2lb  bag of the powder form, and it came with a 222mg scoop, for easy use. I'm not sure I'd be wanting to best guess gains/mg conversion, but the idea would be best to find the proper scoop online for use. That kind of thing is around on amazon if you look for them. Not sure how long things with China will allow those kinds of things in trade either. As current events unfold. I'm also unsure if the plan is to fill pills, because it's probably easier to just buy them already filled. (maybe cheaper). I would search more online for companies that just allow purchase of fishmox type meds, the last time I did buy some they were about $25/bottle for a 30 day supply. 

I absolutely don't use them often, because another observation is antibiotics destroy good gut bacteria causing about 10-15 lbs weight gain over time. This detail is something that no one talks about (and when I brought this up to a nurse- she laughed about it- because she never was told or taught about it and she thought I was kidding. Pay attention to weight before an after an ear infection treatment in adults), so if you have had your appendix out its even more an issue (the Drs took out the place where your bacteria would go to hide during the die off.) so you need to eat fermented foods for a while or replace good bacteria with supplements. These are other items to consider while your prepping because you might end up using a lot more TP without that kind of stuff in your supplies over long term. It might be good idea to pick up some crocks for making good old sauerkraut and learn how to do it before you need it.

I'm not sure if any of this information is actually helpful, but I figured I'd share what I learned over time.

~Fitzy 

 

[Hope]

Great points! I have a stock of fish meds, iver pills from India, and the book you referenced. My first choice is herbal remedies and I have a lot of books on natural herbal remedies, but I'm sure the meds could be used for bartering.

[Sir John Honeybucket]

Where There Is No Doctor  -  Good ditch level hygiene and primitive medicine.

Where There Is No Dentist - Get this and a couple of 'temporary filling' kits (a) from Amazon until you can reach a proper dentist.

Where There Is No Politician - Not written yet, but would be a novel about Heaven on Earth.

(a) - When I lived aboard my little sailboat, I kept emergency dental kits The idea of being 2 weeks from a dentist seems somthing I'd like to avoid.


de Sir John Honeybucket


We are in a good time right now, so MAKE HAY WHILE THE SUN SHINES.

[Nemo]

Where There Is No Dentist - Get this and a couple of 'temporary filling' kits (a) from Amazon until you can reach a proper dentist.

de Sir John Honeybucket

And keep some good pliers clean and nearby.

Nemo

[Searchboss]

I added dental 'temporary filling' kits among other dental preps last year after a friend had some problems and could not get to a dentist for several days. I much prefer to learn these lessons through other people's experiences when I can. 

In years past I purchased a few "Fish Antibiotics". So far I have not needed to use any of them, but I would much prefer to have them rather than need them. Because of a similar post that I read yesterday, I revisited a website fishmoxfishflex.com I used in the past to see if they now required a veterinarian prescription to purchase antibiotics. The answer was NO, I did not need a prescription. You can still buy fish/bird antibiotics online just like in years past. YMMV

I would like to add my recommendation that you procure a copy of Where There Is No Doctor and Where There Is No Dentist for your medical library. They explain medical symptoms and how to diagnose problems in plain English which most people can understand.

Sir John, I am anxiously awaiting the publication of Where There Is No Politician. 

[Nemo]

It would be real nice to have a place where I could go in and pay cash, minimizing the trail on purchasing.

Nemo